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Old 02-04-2002, 10:47 AM   #1
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Question Bring back spotted threads?

I started a poll in the thread "Join PAPAST" however, it seems that there haven't been as many views as I would have expected. So I'm started a new thread w/ a more objective heading. Please vote.

If you feel so, please give a reason for your vote. I've heard a lot of reasons why we should be able to make spotted threads. And the only reason I've heard that they should be banned is simply that some people don't like them. To me, that's not a viable reason. As an example, I don't like alcohol, but I'm not preventing anyone from drinking. I respect everyone's thoughts and opinions, unless they hurt or harm anyone.

Spotted threads don't hurt or harm anyone. But it seems that there are a lot of people who are against them and want them banned. It'd be nice to know why this is.

I know that I won't really have much of an effect on the final decision of what goes on in this forum. But I will use my right to voice my opinion. Unless other people don't like it when I voice my opinion and I am banned as well.

Thank you all ahead of time for your honesty and opinion. All is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 02-04-2002, 10:55 AM   #2
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spotted threads = good.

multiple spotted threads that get out of control and turn into conversations = more stuff to wade through.

i don't think the idea of spotted posts is bad, but when they get out of hand..

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Old 02-04-2002, 10:56 AM   #3
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Spotted threads rule. The only time they suck is when no one responds to them bucause the person that you spotted is a total tool. If we don't have any spotted threads how are we supposed to have supper meets?

Oh and one more thing having this huge sticky post spotted thread is really annoying because who the hell wants to read all the way though the whole 17 page thread to see if they mah have been spotted and the whole idea is very NESIC like.

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Old 02-04-2002, 11:10 AM   #4
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I agree with Zephyr and Pinochle! Spotted threads (regardless of turning into conversations) are a great way to meet new people and "induct" them into the club. If it turns into a conversation then all the better. Otherwise a) newbies don't know how nice we all are and b) how else can you find out about other cars/people except by starting another thread? Unless you have ALL threads e-mailed to you automatically (can you even do that?) then whats the big deal? I always read spotted threads. Since the change, I haven't read one...hope I wasn't spotted recently....
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Old 02-04-2002, 11:16 AM   #5
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spotted threads.

What is the big frickin deal? IF people don't want to read it, then don't click on the *#$&*^@^!@&@@&**!^(!*&@$&*&*! link.

That's it, plain and simple.

For the rest of us, it allows us to find new people, or let new people find us - so that we can share our knowledge with the masses.

Or is this really that SOMEONE does not want us to share our immediate first hand knowledge and dealings with certain vendors, what they do or don't do, how to upgrade your car, whats wrong with it and so on??

Hmm.. some thing to consider.

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Old 02-04-2002, 11:19 AM   #6
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I couldn't have said it better myself. I do believe some people should be more descripitive. Like blue wrx spotted with spoiler in jersey should n't count. TIme, place, and what you were driving should be included

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Old 02-04-2002, 11:38 AM   #7
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Like I posted in the other thread...I don't look at the spotted threads but it is a pain in the a$$ when I have to skip over 15 threads that are "spotted" threads to get to something I would rather read. It is all fine and great that you want to help people out with info and meet new people. There is nothing wrong with that, but if I'm "not allowed" to open a thread because my name or car is not in the title, that is stupid.

So I really don't care if the spotted threads stay or go. But if they stay I think that there should only be a certain amount of spottings in a day. I don't want to have to scroll through the spotted threads to get to something important!
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Old 02-04-2002, 11:39 AM   #8
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I am with Victor, if you don't want to read the spotted post, then don't!
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Old 02-04-2002, 11:44 AM   #9
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Even though, as a hick, I have never been spotted, or spotted anyone else on the board, I like the spotted threads. If someone whose name I recognize spots someone I will check to see if maybe, possibly, PLEEEASE let it be me. But, alas and alack, it never is But I will never give up hope

Jeez, you people - lighten up!!!

Let the spotted threads go forth, be fruitful and multiply!

Oh, by the way, I saw a WRC Blue WRX Sunday near Canandaigua. I was incognito in the Forester- anybody here?
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Old 02-04-2002, 11:51 AM   #10
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cac3780,
I have a dfq for you ....how r u going to be able to say that: Quote you....
"there should only be a certain amount of spotted threads per day"

Thats like saying only this # of Subarus are allowed to drive on the roads at this time of the day/ nite ???

Now it sounds totally stupid !!!

imho ....I can't be A$$ed to scroll through one giant sticky to see who spotted who or what ...that kind defeats the object of ease which if you leave the forum how it was it was working fine

Bottom Line of this story is
"If it ain't broke don't try and Fix it"
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Old 02-04-2002, 11:58 AM   #11
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That's why I said that I don't care if they stay. I understand that it is now a pain for you to scroll down a huge thread to find a spotting. So let them stay, but keep it to a minimum. I mean if I go out for lunch and see a subie, I'm come back to work or home and write a spotted thread. Then I go out that nite and see another subie, so I create a whole new thread again for another spotting. Why didn't I just wait till the end of the day and make one big thread that said "hey i saw this subie here and that subie there."? Instead of making a different thread for each spotting. Thats all I mean. I am not against them completely, just when they are the only thing I see.
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Old 02-04-2002, 12:00 PM   #12
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Thanks for all your replies and votes everyone. Thank you also for keeping this relatively civil. I know this is a heated issue. It's kind of like the abortion issue. People lie on both sides of the line.

Once again, thanks for the input. And cac3780, thank you and your b/f for your honesty. I appreciate that.

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Old 02-04-2002, 12:16 PM   #13
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Cool For all you Spot happy people

I have a Good idea for you guys that will not only be good for you, but will be even better for those who don't want to wade through the spotted threads to find the ones they want to read.

Here's the idea so listen up:
Get Alex/Nick to create a Spotted Forum within the Tri-state forum(or any regional forum that is plagued with these threads) just like they have the two in the General forum (New-age and Old-School)
this way you can easily browse through all the spottings you wish to see if you were noticed that day. and us who could care less if we were spotted will not have to look through them to find the stuff that we want to read.
sound good? thought so

if you want to create a poll, make it about that!

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Old 02-04-2002, 12:21 PM   #14
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That actually does sound like a good idea. It would make everyone happy right? Then you won't lose the spotted threads. and there won't be this problem again that you will have to fight to keep them on the board.
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Old 02-04-2002, 12:25 PM   #15
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Any idea how many spotted theads there were on any given day? I'm thinkin' there MAY have been five at most - and they quickly slide to the bottom. Is this REALLY a problem?

As for adding another forum, IMO, we already have too many! There's tumbleweeds blowin' though half of them!

What we REALLY need are more smilies!!
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Old 02-04-2002, 12:27 PM   #16
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well, if there isn't too many of them, then why don't you like them being joined together at the top?

and if they get too full (too many pages) then ask Faraz to clear it out.

if you have any further discussions about it, take it to PM's
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Old 02-04-2002, 01:54 PM   #17
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trojan,
Now you're not being very objective about this. It's good that you made a suggestion, however it's pretty clear that you're looking to pick a fight w/ someone. That's not what this is about here. This thread is not about trying to start a fight. It's about coming to an understanding. So please don't post if you've got a chip on your shoulder.

As for your suggestion, that would be a better idea than the sticky that we have now. However, I don't think there is such a thing as subforums within these forums. And since this is a Tri-State issue, I don't think that we could feasibly do.

And for the record, there still isn't a viable reason why the spotted threads should be banned. All you've stated is essentially that you don't like them. And by the results of the votes, it shows that you are a part of a select minority.

How about this example. I don't like smoke. I'm 25 years old and have not smoked a day in my life. However, when I go to a restaurant, club or what not, I'm subjected to that. Shouldn't I have the right to go out and not be subjected to that? Yes, I should. The thing is... the restaurant or club is essentially a public place. Just as this forum is. So the choice is not mine, nor yours. If a person chooses to smoke in the establishment, that's their choice. And if I want to go there, I have to deal with it. It's the same here. If someone makes a spotted thread and you don't like it... you can choose to deal with it as well. The BIG difference is. Smoking Kills. Spotted threads do not. I've lost a enough people in my life due to second hand smoke. You'll never lose anyone due to second hand spotted threading.

I'm glad you spoke up though. Seriously, you opinion does count in my book. However, you still have yet to present any strong reason that the threads should be banned. And in the long run if these threads are banned, what's next? The "Hello, I'm new here" thread? Or, the "Let's welcome so and so to the group" thread? And after that, what's next?

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Old 02-04-2002, 02:14 PM   #18
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please quote me to where i was picking a fight. i ran it through our leader before i posted it and he said it sounded good.

and i didn't say ban them. just put them somewhere that they won't get mixed in with more important threads such as

meets
auto-x threads
racing schools, track days etc..
car shows/events
weekend drives/getaways

i think the keeping of all the spotted threads in one post is a good idea. when the thread gets too big or out of control, then Faraz can go in there and erase the posts so you can have a clean slate again to post all the spottings in.
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Old 02-04-2002, 02:46 PM   #19
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The post had a very demeaning tone to it. That's the chip I was speaking of. As for running it past our leader, our leader may be a down to Earth person, but in his time, I've helped him out in a few posts that he's made. And of course, the ultimate decision is essentially up to the moderators. Which is another reason I set up this poll. To show the moderators how we feel on this topic.

And you're right, you didn't say the threads should be banned. But you do imply banning them from the Tri-State Forum. That's what this is all about, isn't it? Ridding them from the Tri-State Forum?

And of course, what makes those threads you listed more important than the spotted threads? I consider everything you listed as "important" to be very important to this Forum. But I consider spotted threads to be very important as well. And please don't forget that there have been more meets set up in spotted threads than all of those others you've mentioned. That alone should deem the spotted threads as important.

Of course someone will bring up why Supper Meets aren't posted in Supper Meet Threads instead of Spotted Threads. Well, here's a reason. Because it's become tradition. It's one of the things that gives our forum so much character over the other forums. I feel pretty confident in saying that this charm that our forum has over the others makes this forum a more pleasant place than some of the other forums. That's why there are so many "members" in this forum that live in other regions. There seems to be some pressure going towards the idea that this forum should enter the mold of the other forums. Kind of a Marxist concept if I've ever seen one. Then comes the question, is Socialism the ultimate goal for this club?

And as for the singular sticky thread, there are many reasons why that isn't the most ideal option. A few have been mentioned by some of the other members.
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Old 02-04-2002, 02:52 PM   #20
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don't you think it would be easier to find your supper meet threads in 1 thread though? if you notice a thread gearing towards meet status, create a meet thread.

i'm sure some people in your area don't look at spotted threads but do look at meet threads and you may find more people showing up to these meets with a formal thread to go along with them.

to me, i wouldn't want to look through 5 spotted threads to find the 1 with the meet details in it, know what i mean?

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Old 02-04-2002, 03:04 PM   #21
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LOL! I know what you mean about having a formal thread. But like I said, the spotted thread is tradition. Plus, the slight challenge makes it fun. The Supper Meet threads aren't hard to find though. You can tell which thread it is in from the spotted thread w/ the most views and posts. And of course, I think it's really nice to give a direct invitation to supper to that person who was spotted. Know what I mean?

And what are you talking about 1 thread? If a thread is going towards meet status, creating a new thread would make it two threads, not one!

Listen, everybody's got qualms of some sort. There are some things I would prefer to be different in this forum as well. However, those things don't hurt me in any way. So I don't say anything. One thing that could bother me, could in fact make 5 other people very happy. Why mess it up for them? Ya know? The more happy people there are, the better the world is.

P.

Once again, thank you for the input. Truthfully.
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Old 02-04-2002, 03:09 PM   #22
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22 votes in not anykind of # of votes to make someone in the minority. Honestly if thing doesn't get at least 50 I wouldn't call it a valid poll ...I had more votes over what my redline should be.
Just becuase something has always been done one way does not make it the right way. showing the meets instead of a spotted may get more people to come, and I thought that was the goal of those meets? To constantly get more people?
Once again I remind you, you have to convince me, I do not have convince you.
very nesic? And what's wrong with using something that works?
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Old 02-04-2002, 03:12 PM   #23
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22 votes in not anykind of # of votes to make someone in the minority. Honestly if thing doesn't get at least 50 I wouldn't call it a valid poll ...I had more votes over what my redline should be.
Just becuase something has always been done one way does not make it the right way. showing the meets instead of a stopped may get more people to come, and I thought that was the goal of those meets? To constantly get more people?
Once again I remind you, you have to convince me, I do not have convince you.
very nesic? And what's wrong with using something that works?
good point

and it's spotted, not stopped
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Old 02-04-2002, 03:16 PM   #24
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LOL! I know what you mean about having a formal thread. But like I said, the spotted thread is tradition. Plus, the slight challenge makes it fun. The Supper Meet threads aren't hard to find though. You can tell which thread it is in from the spotted thread w/ the most views and posts. And of course, I think it's really nice to give a direct invitation to supper to that person who was spotted. Know what I mean?
The thing that bothers me about this "supper meets in spotted threads" is that everyone says that if you don't like the spotted threads dont look in them. I may not live in NJ and would probably not go to the meets there only because I don't live there, but what if i move to jersey and want to go to the supper meets? I don't want to have to look in the "spotted threads" in order to find out where the supper meet is. Even if the supper meets are in the longest or most viewed spotted thread I still don't want to look in them because the title does not pertain to me.
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Old 02-04-2002, 04:16 PM   #25
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Pat - How about this for demeaning:

Who the heck cares if you see yet another Impreza?!?! Grow up, they are everywhere!

I generally don't read them because they are assinine, so don't give me the "don't read them if you don't like them" thing. Spotted threads clutter up the board and deter real posts. Check out NESIC - they have a single spotted thread that works great, and they also have lots of other intelgent posts that are much more intresting to read. I miss a lot of stuff on Tri-State because I see that there are tons of replies and I figure that it's you, McDade, and others post whoring by posting juvinile stuff like "chook chook" or "gay gay gay..."

Compare that to the NESIC geeks posting the detailed results of their dyno day complete with charts and analysis. Tri State is flooded with junk posts all the time and it just gets worse. Excuse me for being bitter, but any of you with 3 digit member numbers will remember the day when i-Club was an amazing resource for technical info. Now the tech forums have the same 5 questions recycling themselves, and Tri-State has "chook."

I'm considering giving up and deleting my account and bookmark, but there are random informative posts about events and stuff. Either way, I hate what i-Club has become, so do what ever the hell you want with this issue, it's too late to save it anyway.

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