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Old 01-27-2008, 05:25 PM   #1
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:40 PM   #2
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motorsports forum, dude.
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Old 01-27-2008, 07:35 PM   #3
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seat time, seat time, seat time.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:48 PM   #4
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seat time and tires will give you the best results... seat time over all else.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:04 PM   #5
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slow in fast out.

slow is fast fast is slow
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Old 01-27-2008, 11:05 PM   #6
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Seat time + pick a class that you want to do well in.. and mod the car accordingly.
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Old 01-27-2008, 11:46 PM   #7
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what everyone else said pretty much. Seat time is the best way to improve your times. If you are looking for a faster car, I would go with sways, springs and above all else, tires. If you want a cheap mod try to find an 02 wrx sedan 20mm rear sway bar.
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Old 01-28-2008, 01:25 AM   #8
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#1 - Improve the driver
#2 - Stickier tires
#3 - Alignment
#4 - Suspension balance
#5 - Brake balance

#1 is the biggest point. A good driver can do things in your car that you didn't think was possible. There is a lot to learn in this area, from basic concepts of racing, to concepts of car behavior, to application of these ideas.

#2 is next. This is just raw capability here.

#3 Maximize the tire's contact patch to make full use of it. As well, there are some handling options that can be performed.

#4 Balance out the car. The simplest and most effective first step is the rear swaybar. A 20mm bar goes a long way to taking out a lot of the understeer and reducing body roll of the stock setup. Springs could be swapped as well. Don't worry too much about lowering, worry more about balance, neutrality.

#5 I'll include brake balance here as well as it's very important for corner entry. Rear drums are not equivalent to front disks in behavior. You might consider swapping in rear disk brakes. With no hardware changes, you can also used mixed pad types front and rear to control brake bias and braking behavior. For auto-x use, it is advisable to upgrade the brakes a little bit to handle the higher loads and heat. It doesn't take much, but one should step up to a sport ceramic pad as well as DOT 4 fluid. Doing so will make the brakes virtually fade free in auto-x use. Different friction coefficients front and rear can control brake bias.
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:09 AM   #9
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thanks guys

what year sway bars would fit the TS? is it just bars from the 2002?
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:45 PM   #10
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any non-sti 2002-2007 rear swaybar would fit the wagon, just that the 2002 wrx sedan came with a 20mm bar stock. If you are looking for aftermarket, check out whiteline.
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Old 01-28-2008, 01:19 PM   #11
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AutoX school. I did a driving school form Evolution and thought it was pretty good. If you just want to modify the car, I think an aggressive alignment would be a good start. Also, I have a WRX wagon 17mm rear bar on my OBS. It took out a little understeer, but the alignment made a bigger difference.

Autox (OBS w/ stock alignment):
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Old 01-28-2008, 01:32 PM   #12
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You need to learn how to drive a car first, learn which line carries the most momentum and gradually loads the weight of the car. Honestly, driving a awd car makes it hard to learn how to take the line described. With so much grip you can take almost any line and have it feel fast, but you never learn which line is the fastest. If you wanna be fast, get in a fwd car and drive like crazy on the autox. By only having 1 set of wheels that supply all the braking, acceleration, and steering you will learn how to appropriately brake, gas, and weight transfer/proper line/carrying momentum.

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Old 01-28-2008, 01:43 PM   #13
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OH I forgot to state, adding upgraded parts such as suspension, sway bars, etc. They only change the characteristic of the car at its limit. If you don't know how to control a car at its limit, or have never reached the limit of the car then adding parts will not really be extremely beneficial. It might cut down a seconds or a few tenths but if you cannot fully utilize what you've added and cannot comprehend how it affects the car at its limit, someone with a stock car but knows what they are doing will surely beat your time.
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:13 PM   #14
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I would not only recommend a rear, but a stiffer front as well, since it helps balance out a lot together. Of course, seat time is most important, and not only will that improve times, but as your skill develops, you will know which upgrades and modifications will suit you best. So it won't just make you fast, it'll match your car with your style. Some people like 21mm rear 20 front, others like something more extreme like 24mm rear, 20 front. Something along the lines of that.

It's all about the meshing of man and machine.
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:23 PM   #15
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:28 PM   #16
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thanks guys... any idea what front sway bar will fit? i heard the wrx ones wont fit because of the n/a header
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:39 PM   #17
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00-04 Legacy fsb, 21mm...next would be a used cusco or IPD bar (both 22mm).

I just sold my old fsb too...
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the front is already a 20mm stock, no real gains in going to a stiffer front. 13mm stock in the rear.
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Old 01-28-2008, 03:59 PM   #19
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thanks... 13mm is stock for rears? holy! i thought it was at least 15 or something
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:52 PM   #20
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Nope, they're tiny. That's why there's quite a large effect by upping the rear bar, both limiting body roll overall and decreasing understeer. There were 17mm and 20mm WRX variants. The 20mm used is very hard to come by, so I'll suggest you just buy a new one now cause you're not getting an old one.
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All those parts mean nothing without the tires and alignment. Max camber as you can get, put a little toe out in the front, a little toe out in the rear, if you honestly want to be faster in autox...
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never mind... went to the brake, suspension, handling forum

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