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Old 01-29-2008, 03:20 PM   #1
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Default Everything you need to know in life you can learn from a Datsun 510 (double post)

I have always been a gear head. I can remember loving to have hot wheels with me wherever I went. I use to read every article on every car in every magazine I could get my eyes on as if my very being was defined by my encyclopedic knowledge of cars. The sickness began the first time I let out a clutch and felt the inertia of a flywheel propel me forward in what seemed like a rush of unabated joy and excitement. That feeling is still rooted deep in my being. As all things evolve, my knowledge of automobiles grew and changed based on need. I learned to turn a wrench on cars out of a need to get to work and school. Just keeping things running was a challenge and an education. Cars can teach you everything from humility, to economics, to shame, to pride. From my hand me down salvage title Datsun 510, to my moms 83 tercel, to my lateral G inducing 74 Trans Am, all the way to my STI, each car has taught me valuable lessons and were instrumental in shaping my views on cars and people along the way. Sure there were also other cars along the way that were notable, but I when I look back, I can still recall my Datsuns vague 4 speed and its impossibly narrow bias ply tires. I can still remember rebuilding my moms 83 tercel carb. I will never forget my 74 trans am and the countless hours adjusting the valves and working on the engine of what was still the fastest straight line car I have ever been in. Currently I am in my STI, which is no doubt the best all around performance car I will ever own in my life time. Each was like a chapter, and I can easily divide my life into what car I was driving at the time. Basically cars are as part of my psyche as hemoglobin is to my blood. I am a car nut. And I would wager many of you are as well.

I remember a time when I would argue over tenths of a second and lose sleep at night if I did not pull on that Mustang like I thought I should from the light. I can recall days of building small blocks to be able to beat the guy in town with the hemi, whoever he was. I would obsess over every little detail to the níth degree from wax to air pressure. I can recall a day when my happiness was directly tapped into the way my car was running that day. Many a night I spent pissed because I bogged a bit on that one race.

I see people on this board doing the same things I use to do. Arguing to the death about this car is faster than that car. And this car can out corner that car. When in the end, it really just does not matter. In the end you drive home what you can afford and itís just fine. You can easily make do with less if you had to. But we donít want to. We are car guys/gals. When a car guy ages, a few absolute truths become more and more apparent. This is wisdom that cannot be just read, it is something that becomes true and one day it hits you in a moment of clarity. Now this is only for real died in the wool car guys here and all the rules apply in varying degrees, but the best I can figure, here they are:

No matter how good of a driver you think you are, there is somebody else that will be better than you.

No matter how fast your car is, somebody elseís car going to be faster.

There is an inherent beauty to buying a car and learning to drive it stock, as the further away you get away from stock, the more lopsided and unbalanced your car can become.

If your enjoyment of your car comes from the opinions of others, then you will never truly be happy behind the wheel. And if youíre not happy when you drive, you have completely missed the point of driving. There is a bus waiting for you.

The fastest way to enjoy driving more is to become a better driver. Realize that you are probably the cars weakest link and work on getting better. Every step you take towards becoming a driver takes you one step away from being a commuter.

The amount of HP your car has does not directly equate to the amount of fun your car is to drive.

I hear all the bickering of people on this model STI vs this model EVO X, it echos back and forth the ghosts of conversations of the 04 STI vs 04 EVO, and the Bugeye vs RS. Itís always the same argument over and over in which there is no real winner. There are only people who place large amounts of their happiness on a cars performance numbers printed in a magazine. I have been there, I have held up my copy of motor week defiant to anybody who would not sing the praises of my 1999 Integra GSRÖ.VTEC yo. It is just an argument not worth having. Get in the car, turn the key and enjoy the music. Learn what the car has to teach you.

Long before I knew what Pwned meant. Long before I could even has a cheeseburger, I was a car guy. Before I put on my first flame suit and disagreed with a moderator the first time, I was a car guy. Before I even LOLíed I was a car guy. All those who magazine race for a living need to realize that in 4 years it wonít matter. Enjoy what you drive and learn to appreciate it for what it is. The measure of your worth is not measured what you drive, more itís measured in how much you enjoy driving. Cars come and go, and todayís magazine queen will be tomorrows 5th place comparo result. The auto industry always puts out bigger, better, faster, meaner, pricer, etc. Nothing is stagnant. Enjoy the now, the present, and donít sacrifice it over what will be here tomorrow.

Before you prepare yourself to do battle and argue over a tenth of a second here or there, ask yourself if it really matters. In the end of a day, the guy who enjoys his car the most is the real winner. My slow poke datsun 510 taught me that. It was slow, and I knew it. But I never closed the door and walked away without a smile on my face. Much faster cars never brought me that much joy.



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Old 01-29-2008, 04:42 PM   #2
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Still want a 510! They are so cool
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:52 PM   #3
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who is this "scrappydo"
an elderly idiot who drives an sti?

Hey there is a webster, mass too. Great place. ever heard of it? more than one webster like there is more than one opinion about cars. the 78 trans am sucked like the camaro of its day..they didn't even have a frame.
dastun 510 with thier bias tires sucked as well.
An 83 tercel needed a trade for a dual range ea81 4 speed subaru...
and most of all (this is what made my decision to flame the hell out of you

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.. drive what we can afford..

If I can drive my 87 subaru forever I will.

Not to mention my income nor anybody elses deserves your bizarre automotive history with a touch of self declared wise man.

Happy Posting.

I hope racers do keep nitpicking with each other. that is what some racers do.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:03 PM   #4
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So much ignorance, so little time...where do I start...


I don't know whats funner, the fact that you think the people who argue here are racers, the complete lack of understanding about cool older cars, or the fact that you have absolutely no reading comprehension...

it was a 74 trans am, that nobody said was stock...

If you don't like what I post, don't read it.

But I thank you for your obviously equally well thought out and informative post. Please by all means, enjoy your car, and have a great day.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:05 PM   #5
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"The amount of HP your car has does not directly equate to the amount of fun your car is to drive"

It certainly increases the fun factor. IMO, More HP = More fun!
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:07 PM   #6
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Well you are entitled to think that. But I would argue that its not a 1:1 correlation.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:16 PM   #7
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my father had a datsun 510. Crashed it on the way to be at my mother's side will birthing me. Chicks in some car hopped over the little curbing barrier from the express side(traffic) to the local(no traffic, dad driving in left lane) and got clipped, oversteered, over corrected and eventually stopped on the guardrail on the opposite side. a few days later he quit being a chef(too much time away) and pursued teaching in hotel administration.

not exactly the same thing, but it involved a 510...
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:28 PM   #8
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SCRAPPYDO, Great post.

The really funny thing is it looks like the people doing the pointless flaming are doing exactly what you are talking about. Subari87, I'm sure you love your 87 subaru and for good reason, but it looks like you don't fully understand the post.

Again, Well said.

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Old 01-29-2008, 05:46 PM   #9
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Some of ya are missing it. The 510 and Trans Am are metaphors on life and how..ah forget it. Like teaching a pig how to sing.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:58 PM   #10
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what is this a nasiocer with maturity i never thought i would see one of those in the wild i better write this down nice post and i totally understand
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:39 PM   #11
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Fun with the 510. http://youtube.com/watch?v=fLwlnq1bI_c

This dude loves his 510!
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:41 PM   #12
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"Look at that guy walking right there! Hello goodbye!"

Too funny!
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:49 PM   #13
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Nicely said.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:14 PM   #14
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who is this "scrappydo"
an elderly idiot who drives an sti?

Hey there is a webster, mass too. Great place. ever heard of it? more than one webster like there is more than one opinion about cars. the 78 trans am sucked like the camaro of its day..they didn't even have a frame.
dastun 510 with thier bias tires sucked as well.
An 83 tercel needed a trade for a dual range ea81 4 speed subaru...
and most of all (this is what made my decision to flame the hell out of you




If I can drive my 87 subaru forever I will.

Not to mention my income nor anybody elses deserves your bizarre automotive history with a touch of self declared wise man.

Happy Posting.

I hope racers do keep nitpicking with each other. that is what some racers do.
Notice Scrappy's member number, 873, then notice yours, 167xxx. Its pretty tough to get a nasioc supporter tag............. You want a direct correlation? take how much time you have been on here, ~1 month, and shut up for that amount of time. just read. maybe read what he has contributed to this forum. Why bash one of the founders bassically? doesnt seem like you are too happy on nasioc, if you dont like it then get out. otherwise, quit being a troll.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:32 PM   #15
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Wow, such a warm reception. Thanks guys, but member numbers aside, we all belong here. Some of you just get what I was saying, and others dont. It would be an interesting tidbit on ages in this post, but I would wager that the folks who can understand the dribble I post have probably spent some nights on side of the road with a flash light and some electrical tape...

Again, many thanks.
You always take a risk posting something like this, I have just been around long enough not to care...

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Old 01-29-2008, 09:50 PM   #16
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great post, too bad some people don't "get it"

I remember spending many nights working on the family fleet with my dad, as well as fixing stuff up around the house. I was the flashlight-holder, part-holder, drink-getter, tool-runner. We didn't do anything radical, we did maintenance, detailing, replaced stuff like water pumps and alternators, valve covers and so on -- bolt-on stuff. A couple of times we did exhaust work, I remember going "catless" on our '79 Caddy, and later on my '81 Celica, not to mention getting the $15 "Cherry Bomb" knockoff exhaust and putting it together with clamps. We did other work on the Suburban we kept for 190K miles, 2 Volvos, a Mustang and probably a couple I forgot. We got to be a pretty good team at bleeding a 240's brake system, since we had a faulty pressure switch, and a $3 bottle of brake fluid was much cheaper than the switch . It wasn't till much later that I really appreciated all he taught me, that so many people just don't know, or even care to know. Sure, there were jobs we would have done in a shop, but those were few and far between - and generally needed specialized tools or a lift, stuff we didn't have.

Now that I have a daughter (and another on the way), I'm making sure I pass on the knowledge to the next generation and give her some good garage memories, too. Luckily the WRX is pretty easy to work on.

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Old 01-29-2008, 10:02 PM   #17
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You ever notice how you take your car out for a performance drive and all the online performance bickering, magazine racing and such is such a forgotten issue that the bickering and such truly doesn't mean jack isht?
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:09 PM   #18
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That has to be the post of the year if this last year was any indication.

You spoke from hard earned common sense and it almost takes that to really know that.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:25 PM   #19
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Remember - in the end car guys really don't care which is what out of the box. It's 1) how it ticks, there is a NEED to know and 2) how they can make it tick better. No matter the make, model, cost, options, magazines, opinions, or internet flamefests.

Scrappydo, thank you for your words they are ones that everyone should heed.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:41 PM   #20
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Sweet realization. I know being young one usually would brush of what the older ones would have to say about something but you seem to have your head on strait. While at the moment I don't have the means to sport that Exige or Gallardo (hell, I drive N/A GCs) I have come to appreciate my car for what it does and what it is; not hate it for what it isn't.
Come to think about it, I think I've been feeling what you've just described more and more over the last few months. It's just been in the back of my subconscious.

You sir kick absolute ass. Happy driving!
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:26 PM   #21
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Well said...every word of it. After dealing with a rotted out '86 300zx and rebuilding an '87 rx-7 several times, i've come to a point in my life where I don't even want to touch my car unless there's something wrong with it.

It's funny how the second reply to your post was a worthless flame, but such is life on a car forum.

And for the record...datsun 510's are awesome!! I wish I could find one that wasn't a pile of rust up here in Canada.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:24 AM   #22
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My 510 was the car that taught me how to drive. Independent suspension (same as the 240-Z), 4-wheel disc brakes, four on the floor -- had to learn to heel-and-toe with that car to maximize the fun.

When I finally got my WRX everything the 510 showed me applied. If I had not had the 510, I would never know how much fun my Rex could be.

And I totally agree: subari87 is a wretched, Pampers-wearing troll. Even the name sucks. In fact, I would venture he meant to type "subaru87," but missed the "u" key and then was either too lazy or stupid (or both) to clean it up.

Oh, and one more thing: my 510 had radials. Show me a 510 nowadays that does not!
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:33 PM   #23
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Great post. Don't mind the immature people who feel the need to flame because they don't understand it.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:48 PM   #24
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nice write up... every one should be forced to read this before becoming a member
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:30 PM   #25
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Thanks again for the kind words. Glad it was able to hit home to some of you
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