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Old 01-29-2008, 04:49 PM   #1
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Drivers in the US could soon be banned from smoking in their cars if children are present, according to reports.

Bills banning smoking in vehicles carrying children, are understood to be making their way through Legislature.

Parts of the US have led the way to banning smoking in public places and some senators now argue the interior of a vehicle is a new realm of government regulation.

A new law would cover pipes, cigars and cigarettes; although there is discussion as to whether it would affect open top cars.

Police could only ticket drivers if they are first pulled over for a major or "primary" offence, like speeding, it is reported.

Under the provisions of the House bill, drivers would be given a six-month reprieve from penalization, in which time police would give warning tickets and attempt to educate drivers.

The amount of money people would have to pay in fines has yet to be set.

The bills are said to have been proposed by Sen. Chris Marr, D-Spokane, in the Senate, and Rep. Shay Schual-Berke, D-Normandy Park, in the House.

‘We're not telling you not to smoke. We're not telling you to not smoke in your car. We're telling you to not smoke in front of your kids in your car,’ Schual-Berke said.
More of they typical "oh think of the CHILDREN!" piss-poor-appeal-to-emotion-arguments. I don't care if you smoke or where you do it but politicians who spend our tax money and time pushing for bills like these need to be voted out asap.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:54 PM   #2
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I'm all for people not smoking around their kids and I think that reasonable people would go outside; kids can't choose to go somewhere else and get out of the smoke. But I'm not sure we need a law for smoking in the car.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:08 PM   #3
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More of they typical "oh think of the CHILDREN!" piss-poor-appeal-to-emotion-arguments. I don't care if you smoke or where you do it but politicians who spend our tax money and time pushing for bills like these need to be voted out asap.
You know, of all the things we waste our tax money on, I think other bull**** should be your focus. I actually agree with the ban on smoking with children present.... poor kids. I always hate seeing parents smoking around kids, not to mention in a car where the kid is forced to inhale copious amounts of 2nd hand smoke.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:08 PM   #4
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Ever get the feeling that this state is a bit on the Nanny side? It wasn't that long ago that I visited Florida, and smoking in Restaurants etc. was still the norm.

Don't get me wrong. As a non-smoker, I love that I don't have to deal with that. On the other hand I voted against the ban, because I felt certain businesses, like dive bars would suffer.

I guess I'm mixed on this one. On principal I agree with what you said, but on the other hand, maybe it would help some of these kids avoid getting smoke. It's something I had to deal with that I didn't want, but as a kid you don't have much power to tell your parents what to do. If there was a law in the 70's to cover something like this, I wouldn't have had to inhale cigarette smoke.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:27 PM   #5
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You know, of all the things we waste our tax money on, I think other bull**** should be your focus. I actually agree with the ban on smoking with children present.... poor kids. I always hate seeing parents smoking around kids, not to mention in a car where the kid is forced to inhale copious amounts of 2nd hand smoke.

+1. I'm glad to see a law that would punish a-hole parents who smoke around their kids.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:30 PM   #6
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As a non-smoker this doesn't affect me, but I always feel the last thing we need is more laws telling us how to live our lives or raise our children.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:32 PM   #7
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Although I agree that it is wrong for people to smoke in the car with kids present, I don't feel that it is right for a law to be passed that bans you from doing it. I guess to me it feels like a privacy invasion.

I also agree that the politicians need to spend our tax dollars on something else.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:40 PM   #8
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+1. I'm glad to see a law that would punish a-hole parents who smoke around their kids.
Exactly. The kiddies shouldn't have to pay b/c their parents are dragging them around in their smoke box.

I'm not always a fan of these "Nanny" laws trying to be passed - but ones that involve smoking have always been an issue that has been important to me.

Atleast it isn't one that involves sagging your pants being illegal (which is currently being pursued in 12 states and was covered on the Dr. Phil show yesterday - yes I watch Dr. Phil ). Although "sagging" isn't something I do, or understand why people do it, I don't believe people should be arrested for doing it.

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Old 01-29-2008, 05:43 PM   #9
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Yeah, having kids, I think I'm leaning toward giving some voice to the little people.

You can't legislate out stupid parents though.

As for wasting our tax money on other things, I think our lawmakers have plenty to twiddle their thumbs with, and this is probably more worthwhile that some of the rubbish I've seen.

Unless you want more legislation around the luminesce level of strip clubs, or making sure the homeowner's of Seattle are keeping their lawns in good order.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:43 PM   #10
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i agree with the not smoking while driving, like not talking on your phone and you should eat or drink anything while driving.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:03 PM   #11
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Smoking in a car is a distraction. That said, I really couldn't care less about the laws and don't exactly agree that they should micro-regulate people's lives like this.

But what it comes down to is that smoker's rights are really not something that keeps me awake at night and is not something that would sway my opinion about a congress leader one bit.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:33 PM   #12
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if smoking is a distraction then so is the radio, let alone a ****ing tomtom.

what are they gonna do to protect the kids the other 90% of the time they arent in the car? allthough being a kid and having to breath smoke sucks, this bill aint saving ****!
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:42 PM   #13
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while i kinda like the idea, i beleive there is thousands of things that can be done more important that this.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:42 PM   #14
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As a prospective nurse, I think about it this way...

Healthcare sucks. Anything that keeps people from having to go into debt seeking it is good. Until we fix the big problem of how we take care of people once they get sick, then we should probably just focus on prevention.

Although, I do think the bill is a waste of money, because that money should be going into helping normal people with normal jobs and normal health insurance from getting raped by their insurance company when they become critically ill, but the likelihood that that will occur any time in the near future is pretty much nil.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:02 PM   #15
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i thought about that too. like the seatbelt law.. its ones decision, but when they get hurt for being stupid with no insurance, who pays for it? they sure as hell dont. the parents are just hurting their kids and eventualy costing them money in most cases. so in this case the public doesnt have to pay for their mistake..
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:11 PM   #16
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This just seems like another step towards a complete smoking ban.
They should just go straight to that bill, ban it all together and save us the wasted money and time that could be better spent elsewhere.
I dont smoke but i think even smokers can see it heading that way.
Weather it should banned all together or not, I dont care.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:11 PM   #17
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This is gotta be a joke... not smoking in the car while the kids in it is fine, but banning the "smoking in the car" altogether is BS... Driving to Portland will take me extra 20 minutes to stop at the rest area if this bill passed.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:15 PM   #18
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As a non-smoker this doesn't affect me, but I always feel the last thing we need is more laws telling us how to live our lives or raise our children.
However, if we are not smart enough to protect our children on our own maybe these laws make sense!

I speak as a non-smoker who had been a smoker for 30 yrs. I have never smoked in my house. I did not smoke in the car when my kids were in it. They did not choose to smoke so you should not force them as our parents did. Although the info that is available to us was not available to them.

Quit with the they are controlling us BS! The bars have not closed because they banned smoking in buildings. If anything, they have flourished. Now anyone can go there without having to breathe second hand smoke. Which, BTW, is the one thing I absolutely hated when I smoked.

Just try thinking of someone else instead of yourselves for once!
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This is gotta be a joke... not smoking in the car while the kids in it is fine, but banning the "smoking in the car" altogether is BS... Driving to Portland will take me extra 20 minutes to stop at the rest area if this bill passed.
Is that really your arguement? I do not mean to bash, really.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:51 PM   #20
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This is gotta be a joke... not smoking in the car while the kids in it is fine, but banning the "smoking in the car" altogether is BS... Driving to Portland will take me extra 20 minutes to stop at the rest area if this bill passed.
^^^^^
From what I read..it only pertains to drivers WITH children in the car...


My 0.02? I don't like "just cause we're bored" legislation, but the government DOES have the moral obligation to protect those who can't protect themselves. I agree with this legislation.

I remember being in grandma's smoke-filled car as a child, hating the smell, but having no choice in the matter. That was only when I visited grandma for the summer. I can't imagine being exposed to it year-round with parent(s). Now I wonder if I'll have lung cancer as an adult because of childhood exposure. We should protect the children against uneducated or uncaring parents, as trite as that sounds. I exercise and eat right, but didn't have any choice over my lung's health as a kid.

Sorry BraveUlysses, we're not going to agree here

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Old 01-29-2008, 11:47 PM   #21
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I wish this would have been passed when I was a kid (if it gets passed)!!

I didn't have a choice and now I'm paying for it. Thanx mom and dad.

Pointless way to spend money, it ****ing stinks, everyone around you hates it. I want to make a spray that only reacts with nicotine and makes people smoking start the sneeze and cough and just feel uncomfortable like the rest of us.

Nothing was worse then the summer family gatherings. Lets see, 6+ people chain smoking in a house for 2 weeks, mmmm, don't miss that ****!!!!

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P.S. I love that this is a smoke free public area state.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:19 AM   #22
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should be passed. secondhand smoke is dangerous, especially for developing lungs. Plus children are not at an age where they are capable of deciding whats good for their health, and hopefully nobody is going to argue that smoking is good for you
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:04 AM   #23
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I wish this would have been passed when I was a kid (if it gets passed)!!

I didn't have a choice and now I'm paying for it. Thanx mom and dad.
So true.

Both parents smoking with the windows up because it was raining.

I understand the idea behind not allowing something like this to pass... but I don't smoke, it won't effect me.. so as ****ty as it sounds.. I have other things to really worry about.
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smoking kills man its all about saving our youth... but this is a rediculous bill...
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:30 AM   #25
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As a smoker, I dont know how I feel about this. I am against people smoking with kids in the car but if I didn't bring them into the world and I don't pay their bills, do I have the right to tell them otherwise? Tough one. I am against bans on smoking in bars and taverns and such. It should be up to the business to decide -- in the end, if it really is a big deal, some will cater to smokers and some will cater to non-smokers. Everyone wins, people get to enjoy their freedom.
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