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Old 02-01-2008, 01:21 PM   #1
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Default 2008 tuning schedule at Extreme Motorsports (Odenton, MD)

There is enough tentative interest to start to put the pieces in place for an ongoing tuning schedule at Extreme Motorsports over in Odenton, MD.

Their facility address is:
Extreme Motorsports
1360 Blair Drive
Suite L
Odenton, Maryland 21113
www.extrememotorsports.com

What will be tunable:

-Subaru and Mitsubishi Accessport via Cobb Tuning ProTuner software

-OpenECU Mitsubishi applications

-Opensource NA Subaru applications (as currently supported as of this writing)

-Opensource JDM Subaru applications if you have a functioning basemap that I can use to tune with.

-Hydra Nemesis EMS

-AEM EMS

-Others on a case by case basis, please email me directly to inquire (jorge@pandlmotorsports.com)


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Over the last several years, these trips have happened with the coordination of locals, and local MAIC vendors. With my schedule becoming a bit more compounded this year, a more structured approach needs to be taken to properly prioritize time.

This year, the structure will be a 3 car "day trip". They've seemed to be the most convenient, cost effective, ideal for everyone involved.

Costs are fair, and compared to local vendors are actually at a discounted rate for the same services.

I charge a flat rate of $200 per car for up to 2 hours of dyno usage. There is no discounted rate if all 2 hours are not used, so plan to take full advantage of the two hours with any sort of race gas, SCCA maps, etc.

For a 3 car day, Extreme Motorsports charges $150 per car, flat rate. The 3 individuals are responsible for splitting all travel charges.

That can go two ways. A: I book a flight and a rental car and just drive myself from BWI to Odenton (about a 10-15 minute drive). B: I book a flight (and as happens more often) and someone simply picks me up and drops me off when we're done.

Over the years, the average air fare has been ~$250 for the round trip, and if you figure a basic $40 car rental that puts the trip total at $290.

$600 tuning fee for 3 cars
$290 in travel
$450 in dyno fees
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$1340

Split amongst 3 individuals:

$447 for up to a 2 hours tune session.

If we use something like Agile Auto (the closest local tuner to Extreme) as a comparison, they charge $250/hr. so that's almost a $60 saving for a tune.

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I've already spoken with Sean Glazer over at Extreme Motorsports, and 02/16/2008 and 03/08/2008 are both currently available.

These will be the only two dates I can schedule in for a trip until at least early summer (have a daughter coming at the end of March).

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How to make this happen:

-Once the first three individuals agree on one of the dates, then a non-refundable deposit will be placed for $300 by each individual. An alternate can be kept in queue in case there is more time or one cancels. Alternates will be responsible to have their funding available and paid in full prior to being put on the dyno.

-Once the deposits are received for the day, I book the ticket and time with Extreme. The remaining balance is due 10 days prior to the event. The remaining balance may be slightly changed based on if I'm getting a rental car, or not; and based on the final amount of the ticket to fly out. But again, that's historically been $250 +-$20 when booked with 2+ weeks notice.

-Payment can be sent as a courier based, tracking enabled delivery (FedEX or UPS) via money order, or Paypal +3% for their fees to admin@temporalrifts.com.
Check payments are made payable to:

Jorge Carrillo
and shipped via insured traceable courier to:

P&L Motorsports
3847 Carnation St.
Franklin Park, IL. 60131

-In the event of a cancellation on my part, or extreme, refunds will be issued in full, or the funds can simply be used for a later tune session (your choice).

-Once you commit to a spot it's now up to you to make SURE that your vehicle is ready to be tuned. While Extreme has been GREAT in assisting people last minute, that is something that shouldn't be relied on. I'll touch more on this in a minute, but the simple point is that if your vehicle cannot be tuned due to an issue outside of our control (motor comes in low on compression, clutch is slipping, mods put on wrong, etc), you are still responsible for the full tuning package rate.

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Things to do prior to your tune.

1: http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/tuningservices.htm <-- in our frequently asked questions is a PDF that covers the basics of modifying the car, as well as an entire chapter dedicated to prepping the car for your tune session. Please read it through and plan/prep accordingly. Again, 95% of cars that have issues are due to simple things from induction leaks, torn inlet hoses, blown off FPR lines, up-pipe leaks, slipping clutches, etc.

There is an old computer saying: Garbage in, garbage out. If your car has pre-existing issues, the BEST CASE scenario is that I, or any tuner for that matter, puts a band-aid on it. But, if you spend the time doing your part, it makes my part easier, safer, and ultimately delivers a car that is smooth, consistent, and predictable. Which leads to the single best piece of knowledge you'll learn from me. Know how it drives. By making the car predictable and smooth, you'll be able to notice a minor variation later on. That will allow you to identify any issues down the road, and repair them right away.

If the car drives like ass from the beginning you'll have nothing to compare against when you really need to.

2: Remember to bring everything that has to do with your EMS software/hardware. Wouldn't be the first time someone left their AP at home....

3: If in doubt, email and ask. Call me (847-678-4311), or email me 24/7 (jorge@pandlmotorsports.com). That has to do with mods, proper installation, prep work, etc. The dumbest question is the one not asked.

4: Do NOT wait until the last day to do your installs. Especially since your payment was paid in full 9 days before. Remember, if it's not ready, sorry! You're still responsible for the tune slot.

5: Did I mention to ask if there were any questions?

6: If you need a temporary map, etc. let me know right away.

7: Email me off a mod list once your deposit is in so I can plan appropriately.

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08/16/2008

10:00 AM: jjunior
12:00 PM: Lunch
01:00 PM: IAG Performance
03:00 PM: IAG Performance



Let me know if there's anything I can answer.

-Jorge
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:45 PM   #2
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Thanks for setting up two days
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:29 PM   #3
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OK, I've updated the calendar. Just as an FYI. Since payment in full would be due by this Wed., for the 2/16 slot, if we don't have it full and paid for by then, we'll just default to the March slot.

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Old 02-15-2008, 06:42 PM   #4
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if i had an ap would u be able to tune it with a stock i/e? also be able to put launch control on it for me?pm me .thanx,mike
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:44 PM   #5
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On your 2005 STI? Sure, it's what we'd affectionately term a stage 1.

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Old 02-21-2008, 12:06 AM   #6
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*crossing fingers that his downpipe is complete in time*
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:31 AM   #7
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has anyone responded yet for this saturdays tuning? also what would you charge to put an invidia catless dp on.how much more would it be to add the launch control on when tuning?
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:30 PM   #8
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As of this point, we're effectively out for this weekend. LOTS of maybes, but no one ever actually set anything in stone. That's fine. If you guys want to come to a consensous on when WILL work (say 4-5 months out), we can plan that out as well, making it a several day deal if necessary.

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Old 03-03-2008, 04:27 PM   #9
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what do u mean with the travel fees? i live in the area and could have a buddy of mine follow me up. he's delt with u guys for tuning his evo. he recomended me to your shop for some tuning. so it would cost $447 for 2 hours of tuning,what happened to the Extreme Motorsports charges $150 per car, flat rate price? could u clarify this please.also because the tuning is out for saturday ,do i need an appointment for tuning? thanx,mike
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Old 03-06-2008, 04:31 PM   #10
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If/when this happens again, I am definitely in. I was tuned by Jorge a while ago at Extreme and it was great (all except for my collapsing Perrin inlet spoiling the fun...).

I just found this thread ( ) and have been waiting for Jorge to come back...

Again, definitely in for a slot whenever the next scheduled session is...

...subscribing

So if anyone in the area wants to discuss and agree on potential dates, please pm me, thanks!

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Old 03-07-2008, 01:55 PM   #11
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im with maestro! Jorge tuned my car back when it only had the cobb software and the exhaust. its got a bit more funbits it it now and the current tune (by someone else) isn't quite up to snuff

tracking and eagerly awaiting a future date
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Old 03-07-2008, 04:43 PM   #12
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I believe Buttdyno was also interested.... SOOOOOO.... we could always work this out for the three of ya'll.

The funding is simple. Let's use four weeks from now as an example.

Sean charges a flat rate of $150 per car, for three cars.

I charge a flat rate of $200 per car, maximum of 3 cars for a "day trip".

So, if I just so happen to book a flight TODAY (because all deposits are in), then the air fare would be $259 for the round trip after fees, taxes, etc. That puts me on the first flight, arriving at BWI at 9AM your time. My flight back departs at 5:20, which means I NEED to be at the airport by 4:20 PM. SO... Assuming we're rolling at Extreme by 10AM at the latest, and I simply work through lunch, we're good for 3 cars.

Now, that leaves NO room for error, and in order to get a later flight it will either cost MORE, or it simply means I need to book it out further.

That also implies that one of you guys picks me up, and then gets me back to the airport. If I need to rent a car, etc. That drives the cost up.

BWI is 10 minutes from Extreme, so that shouldn't be a show stopper for someone to want to swing by and grab me.

But, let's keep going with the example:

Each person pays, $200 in tuning, $150 in dyno rental, and (if someone grabs me) $86.33 ($259 divided by 3). For a grand total of $436.33.

So, if $300 is due up front, then you need to have the remaining $136.33 paid 10 days prior to the date.

The reality is, the longer out I do this, the cheaper it can be for everyone.

So, we can obviously plan this out.

To give you an idea. Let's assume this was June 7th... I can grab that same flight coming in at 9AM, but I have the option for a 7:25PM flight out which could even let us squeeze in another car if necessary. The best part being that its all of $174 round trip.

So right there, everyone saved money.

HTH!

EDIT: My example above assumed a April 5th date, four weeks from now.

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Yeah, I still need to get my car rolling. Right now, waiting for brakes
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i am down for april 5th.lets get this on
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i am down for april 5th.lets get this on
April 5th works for me as well, let's do it.

I'm pretty sure 280hp_REX will be good to go for that date as well, but he'll have to confirm.
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its a go for me as well!
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:21 AM   #17
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Well, I'm using April 5th as an example. The reality is that I already spent the day today in the hospital with the wife on a false alarm for our second child. Also, the airfares were actually real in the example. So If you guys were to do anything, shoot for a few weekends in June, and I'll confirm which works for Sean at Extreme, and we can move on from there.

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Does another date in April work? I'd be ready to go anytime after April 1st and the money is in-hand.
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Does another date in April work? I'd be ready to go anytime after April 1st and the money is in-hand.
Well, as I type this I'm sitting in the hospital with my wife, who just got induced, sooooo....

Hate to say it, but I'm not going to be making any trips for at least a few months.

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don't hate to say it Jorge! congrats!
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Well, as I type this I'm sitting in the hospital with my wife, who just got induced, sooooo....

Hate to say it, but I'm not going to be making any trips for at least a few months.

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Congrats, Jorge!
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Well, as I type this I'm sitting in the hospital with my wife, who just got induced, sooooo....

Hate to say it, but I'm not going to be making any trips for at least a few months.

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Yeah, man! I think I can wait... Congrats!!
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Hey guys, thanks for understanding!

It's been a long night, but at 5:25 this morning Emma Lynn came into our lives with a surprising lack of drama. So I'm all for that, but I'm sure I'm going to pass out here in a few hours.

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One more congratulations! I hope the little one is doing well!
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Doing great!

So, before we get too far ahead, lets keep this in everyone's mind.

maestro
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You have all expressed an earnest in wanting to do this. What you guys need to do is come up with some saturdays that work for you guys. In the month of June the 14th and the 21st tentatively work for me. If you guys can agree that one of those two dates work, I can confirm with Sean over at Extreme, and we can start getting everything solidified.

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