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Old 02-12-2008, 12:23 PM   #51
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Someone rent me their 05+ TBS for a week. It will help you offset the high cost and i can test to see if i think it does anything on my car before i buy one.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:47 PM   #52
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Did williaty or anyone else ever get around to borrowing one and doing some logging? It's that and a few dyno runs I'm waiting to see before I go ahead and pick up that Grimmspeed package.
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:48 PM   #53
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I'm talking right now with Group A themselves about loaning me a TBS to test. Hopefully, they'll accept my proposal and you guys will have results soon!
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:49 PM   #54
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I'm talking right now with Group A themselves about loaning me a TBS to test. Hopefully, they'll accept my proposal and you guys will have results soon!
Too bad you dont i-AVLS to see if that makes any diff. Are 05's DBW?
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Old 02-12-2008, 01:56 PM   #55
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05's are DBW. I have an 06 too, so I can test both SOHC and SOHC ALVS
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:01 PM   #56
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05's are DBW. I have an 06 too, so I can test both SOHC and SOHC ALVS

Very nice....

Lets see if they actually do it.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:07 PM   #57
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OK, Group A is on board with this. We're arranging the details to get one to me. I think it's awesome that a vendor is confident enough in their product to do this!
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:21 PM   #58
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I'm talking right now with Group A themselves about loaning me a TBS to test. Hopefully, they'll accept my proposal and you guys will have results soon!
Great proposal.
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Old 02-12-2008, 03:35 PM   #59
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OK, Group A is on board with this. We're arranging the details to get one to me. I think it's awesome that a vendor is confident enough in their product to do this!
Oh I think this is gonna be interesting. Probably good for another 50 pages of argueing (sp?)
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Old 02-12-2008, 03:40 PM   #60
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OK, Group A is on board with this. We're arranging the details to get one to me. I think it's awesome that a vendor is confident enough in their product to do this!
Maybe it's not confidence as much as just really wanting to know as well. They have nothing to lose at this point. Free testing, nothing better.

It will be interesting.
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Old 02-12-2008, 03:46 PM   #61
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Maybe it's not confidence as much as just really wanting to know as well. They have nothing to lose at this point.
Technically not true. They have people buying them now mostly on faith and word of mouth that they do something. Most of it is what they read that was someone's opinion, based on their butt dyno, when they were racing a honda, on a cold day, blablabla.

If tests are made and posted showing no recognizable advantages or improvements, i wouldnt buy one, thats one lost sale, would you buy one then?
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:35 PM   #62
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If tests are made and posted showing no recognizable advantages or improvements, i wouldnt buy one, thats one lost sale, would you buy one then?
Could it be possible they know something we don't? Such as proven results that were never released? Because you are right, why would they loan it out only to find out it has little to no effect on anything.

williaty- Good to hear someone was finally able to get around to this! Thank you, as my decision to purchase may largely be effected by what you find.
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:37 PM   #63
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Could it be possible they know something we don't? Such as proven results that were never released? Because you are right, why would they loan it out only to find out it has little to no effect on anything.
Maybe, but at the same time, if they had proven results on paper, wouldnt they release them to promote their product?
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:15 PM   #64
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install the tbs first, then dyno.

There's no point when you put the TBS on with everything else. OF COURSE you'll see gains. That's almost a no brainer.

Much like this post.....no brainer lol. Ofcourse I'm going to install it after a baseline run to see the pro's/cons or gains if any.
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Old 02-12-2008, 06:16 PM   #65
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Technically not true. They have people buying them now mostly on faith and word of mouth that they do something. Most of it is what they read that was someone's opinion, based on their butt dyno, when they were racing a honda, on a cold day, blablabla.

If tests are made and posted showing no recognizable advantages or improvements, i wouldnt buy one, thats one lost sale, would you buy one then?
All I'm saying is that they have probably never done a Subaru and they're getting a free test out of the deal. It seems to me they wouldn't lend one out if they already knew the results, or they're hoping for a different result. Perhaps a better one.

Historically these things have been pretty hit or miss and the improvements, if any, were at best small.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:30 PM   #66
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Hi,

This is Derek from Group A.

Thanks to williaty to doing this test for us, I will be getting a spacer out to him shortly. We are currently working at the Toronto International Auto Show and in between being there and at the shop I will get one out to him.. We have run our own tests, but no matter how much we do ourselves people like to think the tests are biased.

So... why not for the cost of the shipping and spacer send one out to someone to give it a whirl.

I offered to send one to him for free simply for him to run some tests and come to some conclusions, his to keep for free for doing this.

Sure, we could be shooting ourselves in the foot with this but we are confident that the product is a good one and the claims are sound.

We never said that this product makes huge HP gains. All we say is that it helps restore lost torque and low end HP when an intake is installed on the car. It also adds a bit more to the car when the stock intake is still used.

I am not saying this is the next best thing next to sliced bread... but it does what we claim based on our testing.

All we do is Subaru, so I am not sure why the comment was made that we have never done a Subaru. We are all Subaru enthusiasts here just like you guys.

Anyways, we look forward to seeing his results, good or bad.

We stand behind everything we make and would never want to produce a piece that is not what it says it is.

If you haven't already checked out our website, the address is: www.groupa.ca


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Old 02-12-2008, 09:32 PM   #67
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Oh yea,

If anyone wants to contact me the best method is e-mail: derek@groupa.ca


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Old 02-12-2008, 09:55 PM   #68
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Good to see you guys standing behind your products.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:22 PM   #69
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well just that Group A is willing to put thier product on the line must mean they are pretty damn sure it does SOMETHING good for the engine. I have been planning on getting their TBS with the grimmspeed IMS too, so im excited to see what williaty finds out!
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:26 AM   #70
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*nevermind.. i was going to seriously stir the pot...




So derek, you work for group a huh??

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Old 02-13-2008, 05:44 AM   #71
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I dont know Derek personally but he did install some parts on my car and he does know his way around a Subaru. Kinda pissed he closed his shop he does great work.
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Thanks leafs fan....

sidewayz, yes.... I am a part of Group A

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Old 02-13-2008, 02:58 PM   #73
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I have been driving like maniac, it's been snowing. The temps have been below 20 degrees since I filled my tank (89 octane with ethanol). That is the background. The noise of the car is straight up MEAN. Normally I get 260 miles per tank. I am at 280 and the light is about to come on.

My thoughts are if I drive normal and the environmental conditions improve.... I quite possibly could see more improvement.

The consensus is that the people who ACTUALLY have a TBS do like the product regardless of what those who do not have one blog. No complaints yet.

Finally, thanks to Group A for stepping up to the plate - Respect.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:31 PM   #74
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Thanks to Group-A for letting this test take place. I know quite a few of us are watching closely.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:38 PM   #75
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Thanks to Group-A for letting this test take place. I know quite a few of us are watching closely.
Flat out.

Derek- I trust willi to be thorough and objective and upon ANY marked improvement i will probably buy one. I believe others will also.
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