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Old 02-12-2008, 10:21 PM   #1
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I have a 2008 wrx with 750 miles on it. At 400 or so miles, my car started a new noise heh. Its much more pronounced when the engine is cold but continues for 30 or so minutes and then finally ends up at about 30% of the volume it started out at and stays there never goes away fully. Ive had a piston slap car ( a corvette so I know what that normally sounds like it doesnt sound like piston slap at all.) The issue here is at idle and off idle and through about 2800 rpms the car sounds fine no slap noise nothing odd. Then at about 2800 rpms in first gear (it appears to be much more pronounced than any other gear.) I start getting a loud rhythmic banging/clanking (think heavy blanket on one side of a dryer when its on spin (but the blanket is made of marbles and the dryer is a coffee can ) from the right front of the engine compartment. It continues after 2800 rpms on up. Its loud enough to be heard over the radio and the heater on full and does seem to speed up as the rpms speed up. My dealer who has the car now has told me this is normal. Anyone else having this with their 08 wrx? Anyone taken theirs in if so and had a problem discovered? The temp here is about 20 F but the garage is heated to 50F so its not starting at 20F.

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Old 02-12-2008, 11:03 PM   #2
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Take your car to the dealer and have them check the brake lines on the passenger side. We had a car in recently where the lines were rubbing causing a rattling type noise that also changed with engine RPMs. We put some insulating tape around the lines and the noise went away.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:11 PM   #3
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Alrighty thanks ill have them check that. Im looking for more on the lines of 08 wrx owners saying
yes i have this (as the dealer says this is normal so everyone should know what im talking about and all of them do it) or no i dont have it. Or perhaps yes i had it and it was part x and now its been fixed. Id like to interject it didnt start having this "normal" noise until 400 miles on it. And the 3 wrx's I test drove (one with 500 miles on it) including my car *until 400 miles didnt make any noises like this. Im actually afraid to drive the car it sounds like its going to fly apart. Once i get it back ill make a recording and post it.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:43 PM   #4
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I've got an 08 WRX Sedan thats now got about 800 miles on it and I have never heard such noises coming from my engine. The only odd sound I ever hear is when the car FIRST starts if its REALLY cold (less then 15F) is a high pitched whine/whir for about 3 seconds then it goes away instantly (not a gradual decline). I assume its some part winding up thats not too happy about the temp. Once the car is warm there are no such noises.

Definitely no "rhythmic thumping" . . . except for what comes from the poor excuse for a stereo.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:50 PM   #5
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Thanks for the feed back. Im trying to get the dealership to take ownership of this problem something is very wrong with my car. (on a side note the stereo is a bit underpowered heh) please keep them comming. Also if anyone has any advice as to how I should approach them correctly. Ive had 13 new cars in my life and never really had any issues I just assumed something was not tightened/built/installed correctly; for them to come back and say its normal floored me.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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I've got an 08 WRX Sedan thats now got about 800 miles on it and I have never heard such noises coming from my engine. The only odd sound I ever hear is when the car FIRST starts if its REALLY cold (less then 15F) is a high pitched whine/whir for about 3 seconds then it goes away instantly (not a gradual decline). I assume its some part winding up thats not too happy about the temp. Once the car is warm there are no such noises.

Definitely no "rhythmic thumping" . . . except for what comes from the poor excuse for a stereo.

I think thats the turbo, my 07 does it when its really cold too.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:57 PM   #7
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Could it be a tire/wheel balance/damage problem? Either loss of weights or something like internal tread separation? If you swap the front right wheel/tire with the rear right wheel/tire and the noise is gone or moves to the back, that would support this idea.

PS - If they claim it's normal, ask them to demonstrate the sound on a couple of their other cars.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:12 AM   #8
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I dont think its a wheel ballance issue it really comes from the engine compartment and seems to only happen in 1st gear and they reballanced the tires when after i first picked it up since one wasnt ballanced correctly. I still dont have it back after driving it some more they are having a subaru field rep listen to it on thursday. If you ever had an old chevy 350 and changed the oil think the grinding sound (bearing knock) when you first start it up and theres no oil preasure thats what it sounds like. Hopefully the rep knows what it is. I do plan to drive another one when i go get it since they say its normal for this car. The turbo could be plausable I suppose since it seems to be related to the rpms of the motor but then again it seems to happen in 1st gear mostly so Im not sure.
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Old 02-14-2008, 09:26 AM   #9
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I think thats the turbo, my 07 does it when its really cold too.
Thats exactly what I was thinking too . . . it sounds almost the same as it does when it winds up on the road. Only its louder because there's no road noise.
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:11 AM   #10
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Dexion, I too have an 08 wrx and notice a strange "knocking" noise at around 2500-3000 rpm. I didnt think anything of it initially, but now that i read the stop sale post, i noticed my wrx vin number falls into that category of vehicals with potential engine knocking problem...
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:12 AM   #11
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Dexion, I too have an 08 wrx and notice a strange "knocking" noise at around 2500-3000 rpm. I didnt think anything of it initially, but now that i read the stop sale post, i noticed my wrx vin number falls into that category of vehicals with potential engine knocking problem...

Are you sure thats not wastegate flutter you're hearing? You would hear it in that RPM range . . . does the sound go away above or below that RPM band?

Is it more of a flutter, like if you were to blow into a desk fan thats on low?

Note: I'm at about 3500 now on the clock and still no such noises . . .
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:34 AM   #12
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there was a problem with WRXs manufactured January 08... if your cars fit this description talk to the dealer... there were engine issues.

PS my car sounds different at lower RPM but it sounds normal to me... might be what you're talking about... it does sort of sound like knocking, but it's just the Subaru sound.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:18 PM   #13
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With about 9,000 miles on the clock, mine is starting to make some odd noises when starting, (really loud rattle from the front left of the motor). I also seem to have a loss of power randomly, almost like it's losing boost. Some days the car runs great other days it runs like crap. I have a more frequent problem when coming off high RPMs when coming to a stop with the transmission in Neutral the engine will dip below 500 RPMs and if I do not wait for it to rebound it stalls when trying to take off. I talked to the mechanics at my dealership and they assured me that it was all in my head. So I guess my car runs great even though I am not impressed, except I just had a recall letter from Subaru about the oil supply line for the turbo... Wonder who's head that's in. Hoping Subaru will grease the squeeky wheels by giving us the upgrades the '09s are getting (unlikely). If they don't, I do know that for several of us, this will be the last Subaru we buy.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:38 PM   #14
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you're not going to get the 09, you're going to get a $5 bracket that holds the oil supply line still so it doesn't crack

have you modded your car at all? sounds like something's loose...

stalling when trying to take off could be because you don't know how to launch,... it's an AWD car and it will bog down if you try to launch it the "normal" way...

mine dips like that too when I come to a hard stop, usually when parking... it has to do with emissions crap and fuel... if you get your car tuned you can most likely get rid of it.


I'm happy with my 08. I knew the 09 was going to be better. people buying the 09s know the 2010s will be better... and so on. if subaru kept the car the same forever, no one would buy the newest ones.
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:36 PM   #15
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you're not going to get the 09, you're going to get a $5 bracket that holds the oil supply line still so it doesn't crack

have you modded your car at all? sounds like something's loose...

stalling when trying to take off could be because you don't know how to launch,... it's an AWD car and it will bog down if you try to launch it the "normal" way...

mine dips like that too when I come to a hard stop, usually when parking... it has to do with emissions crap and fuel... if you get your car tuned you can most likely get rid of it.


I'm happy with my 08. I knew the 09 was going to be better. people buying the 09s know the 2010s will be better... and so on. if subaru kept the car the same forever, no one would buy the newest ones.

Usually manufacturers will stick with a model for a couple years without making much of a change. I preferred the '07 to the '08, but there were not any '07 in my state. The '08-'09 change is huge though, almost everything that there have been complaints about on the '08 have been fixed. I'm not suggesting that everyone who bought an '08 get a free '09, just a discounted upgrade package to make the 2008 WRX a real WRX rather than a Impreza GT with a 5 spd. I would spend $2,000-$3,000 maybe more if it would make it into the car I wanted to buy. Already bought the springs and strut bar (springs not installed yet), buying the SPT exhaust next week unless something better pops up.

No mods except a strut bar because the suspension was too soft, and I put a Navi system in it. I know how to launch a car, but that's not what I'm trying to do, I'm talking about just taking off normally. If I launch it, it takes off like a bat ot of hell, problem is that the cops in my area are dicks about that type of stuff.

Took it to the garage again, they said it's probably the O2 sensor, but since the computer doesn't say that there's a problem, they wont replace it. The problem seems to be more pronounced when it is warm out. The technicians explanation made sense, said that the O2 sensor sends a bad signal and causes the engine to run too rich when it's warm out. In cold weather the ECU forces a leaner mixture which counteracts the problem. I have started documenting the engine hesitation and RPM dip problem on video, making sure I state the temperature and weather.

It didn't have any problems like that until it had about 3,000-4,000 miles on it. The Subaru Garage also told me that if I tune it, it will void at least the warranty on the ECU. My biggest concern is that if the engine has been running too rich for the past 7,000 miles that it may cause more problems down the road and any tuning would be an easy out for Subaru to not cover it. Since it will be next spring before I can re-create the problem, the car will be somewhere in the 14,000 mile range. I would prefer a $40 O2 sensor over an engine replacement, even under warranty. I have never had a car that runs right after a new motor.

Does anyone know if SPT makes a catted downpipe, up-pipe, ect? If not, what brand should I look for and around what price? Has anyone had trouble with warranty work after tuning? If not, I may go that route.
I have only tuned American cars for the most part... so this is a learning experience for me.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:08 PM   #16
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I think thats the turbo, my 07 does it when its really cold too.

Its the Air pump...
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:11 PM   #17
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lol yeah that's the air pump. the car does all sorts of things when you first start it cold.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:24 PM   #18
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Usually manufacturers will stick with a model for a couple years without making much of a change. The '08-'09 change is huge though, almost everything that there have been complaints about on the '08 have been fixed. I'm not suggesting that everyone who bought an '08 get a free '09, just a discounted upgrade package to make the 2008 WRX a real WRX rather than a Impreza GT with a 5 spd. I would spend $2,000-$3,000 maybe more if it would make it into the car I wanted to buy.


Seriously, I actually agree but apparently we just go down in the books as suckers.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:44 AM   #19
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Seriously, I actually agree but apparently we just go down in the books as suckers.
We're not suckers. Far from being suckers at that as well. . . Its not as if we had any indication from Subaru that they were 'improving' the car for the very next model year. We still have the same car as the 09s. Just different springs (which I couldn't care less about), different turbo (which I am I am in the process of swapping out of my 08 and even if bought an 09 I would still be swapping out the turbocharger), and even the wheels (which are the same) and tires I would swap out as well and in fact I am in the porcess of doing that right now.

We are not and were not "suckers".
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yeah...

I got my 08 for ... far below the sticker price.

$150 on SPT pink springs (50% stiffer)
in the process of getting sways
$20 painting my wheels gold
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$50 to replace my muffler with a straight pipe (sounds just like the spt exhaust)
will eventually buy this: http://www.carbonbydesign.com/prodde...RX_STI_Spoiler

and eventually I'll buy a new turbo and catless downpipe.

I already have the tactrix 2.0 and plan to have the car tuned.

I'll basically have an 09 for the MSRP of an 08.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:02 AM   #21
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I'm not suggesting that everyone who bought an '08 get a free '09, just a discounted upgrade package to make the 2008 WRX a real WRX rather than a Impreza GT with a 5 spd. I would spend $2,000-$3,000 maybe more if it would make it into the car I wanted to buy. Already bought the springs and strut bar (springs not installed yet), buying the SPT exhaust next week unless something better pops up.

No mods except a strut bar because the suspension was too soft, and I put a Navi system in it. I know how to launch a car, but that's not what I'm trying to do, I'm talking about just taking off normally. If I launch it, it takes off like a bat ot of hell, problem is that the cops in my area are dicks about that type of stuff.

Took it to the garage again, they said it's probably the O2 sensor, but since the computer doesn't say that there's a problem, they wont replace it. The problem seems to be more pronounced when it is warm out. The technicians explanation made sense, said that the O2 sensor sends a bad signal and causes the engine to run too rich when it's warm out. In cold weather the ECU forces a leaner mixture which counteracts the problem. I have started documenting the engine hesitation and RPM dip problem on video, making sure I state the temperature and weather.

It didn't have any problems like that until it had about 3,000-4,000 miles on it. The Subaru Garage also told me that if I tune it, it will void at least the warranty on the ECU. My biggest concern is that if the engine has been running too rich for the past 7,000 miles that it may cause more problems down the road and any tuning would be an easy out for Subaru to not cover it. Since it will be next spring before I can re-create the problem, the car will be somewhere in the 14,000 mile range. I would prefer a $40 O2 sensor over an engine replacement, even under warranty. I have never had a car that runs right after a new motor.

Does anyone know if SPT makes a catted downpipe, up-pipe, ect? If not, what brand should I look for and around what price? Has anyone had trouble with warranty work after tuning? If not, I may go that route.
I have only tuned American cars for the most part... so this is a learning experience for me.
If you are having issues already I wouldn't do anything to your car untill you get that issued fix. I know for sure they will blame every other part on you car thst not OEM to say thats the cause of the problem. When you say your cars running rich how are you getting that info?
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I know my way around a motor as my first vehicles were the $1000 junkers that needed to be brough back from the near dead. All the symptoms are pointing to running rich. Plus the diagnosis makes sense. The OBD would not know if the O2 sensor is sending a bad signal as it only checks that "a" signal is being sent. When it is cold out the ECU forces a leaner fuel map overriding the O2 sensor, and making the car run properly. Once it gets warm out, the O2 sensor takes over and forces a rich map and the vehicle runs like crap. I don't want to have to fix the problem myself for fear that they will void the warranty, and because I paid the extra money for the warranty so that if this happened, they'd fix it. Now they say that they can't do it until I can make the computer generate an error. Do I just drive it until the engine goes? No car is ever as good with the second motor.
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We're not suckers. Far from being suckers at that as well. . . Its not as if we had any indication from Subaru that they were 'improving' the car for the very next model year. We still have the same car as the 09s. Just different springs (which I couldn't care less about), different turbo (which I am I am in the process of swapping out of my 08 and even if bought an 09 I would still be swapping out the turbocharger), and even the wheels (which are the same) and tires I would swap out as well and in fact I am in the porcess of doing that right now.

We are not and were not "suckers".
Different Tires, Different Rims, Different Springs, Different Sway Bars, Different body moldings, Different upholstry, Different Stereo, Different Turbo, Different Exhaust... Oh and the stock 2009 WRX is faster in the 1/4 mile than the 2008 STi (Car and Driver). Those who have purchased the 2008 WRX have in fact bought a 2009 Impreza GT with a 5 spd. This means you pay more for the sticker price, and more for insurance (Quote from Geico).... I am no "sucker", just a very unsatisfied 2008 WRX owner. If you are happy with the springs in your 2008, you have no buisness putting a bigger turbo in unless you plan on only driving straight lines. The 2008's springs, tires and swaybars, are not designed for performance driving which was apparent when it was outhandled by a Mazda 3 in body roll, slolom speed, and skid pad G's. It is slower on the track than many of the 2007 models including the 2007 WRX....
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I know my way around a motor as my first vehicles were the $1000 junkers that needed to be brough back from the near dead. All the symptoms are pointing to running rich. Plus the diagnosis makes sense. The OBD would not know if the O2 sensor is sending a bad signal as it only checks that "a" signal is being sent. When it is cold out the ECU forces a leaner fuel map overriding the O2 sensor, and making the car run properly. Once it gets warm out, the O2 sensor takes over and forces a rich map and the vehicle runs like crap.
Everything you think you know about Subaru's ECU algorithms is wrong. For instance, rear O2 sensor WILL set P2097 trouble code (Post Catalyst Fuel Trim System Too Rich Bank 1) when it detects AFR is too rich compared to expected. This could be because front AFR sensor is going bad.
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roadtrip: I don't know who told you all of that was different, but the 2009 WRX is the same car as the 2008 WRX - except for - turbo, tires, springs, sways, and exhaust...

the wheels are the same (just painted dark), the body is the same (just has an STi grille and STi spoiler), the interior is the same (just uses red stitching randomly and the center console from the STi), and the engine is the same.

the only other major difference is the car is tuned for performance... if you tune an 08, you get similar results over a stock 08.

as for it being faster in a quarter mile, it reaches it's peak torque before the STi ... however, C&D and other magazines don't know how to drive cars, and always drive them in the "smart" modes or whatever is default. the STi is probably still faster in a quarter mile if you set it up properly.
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