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Old 02-13-2008, 11:07 AM   #1
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Default Rumor: CarCrazy.com interview with SoA President on new WRX?

This is obviously complete BS, but someone brought this to our attention on IWSTI.com. I ended up finding a reference to the "interview" on Road and Track's forums:
http://forums.roadandtrack.com/cars/...thread.id=2094

There are so many things "wrong" with that interview, namely:

- Since when does a president of a company "let slip", to a virtual nobody, plans that could impact stock prices, give competitors a leg-up, impact current sales of '08/'09 WRXs, etc.

- I highly doubt the president of SoA would call the new Ralliart "stylish and aggressive"
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Mahoney: Absolutely, its going to get a huge power boost in order to steal sales away from the stylish and agressive looking Ralliart.
- Subaru is generally very secretive about future models, especially those that are 2 years away.

- Sales for the new Impreza are actually up, not down.

This was probably just a made up interview by some disgruntled Subaru owner that can't get over the new Impreza's success.

Does anyone even have a link to the article/interview? Does it even exist or is it just some newb's wet dream?

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Old 02-13-2008, 11:23 AM   #2
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I say fake.
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:51 AM   #3
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That's clearly fake, no executive talks like that let alone to the press. On an unrelated note my company's Vice President's name is Tim Mahoney too. Weird.
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Old 02-13-2008, 11:56 AM   #4
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sooooo fake
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:02 PM   #5
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Yeah, these guys are very guarded in what they say, but who knows, maybe he caught him at a weak moment...

It would be great if someone could contact that poster and get a link, if it still remains. I searched but couldn't find one. That doesn't mean it didn't get posted, however. I've posted some stuff in the past from SOA, only to be contacted by them asking me to take it down. That could have happened here.

My take—even if it were fake—is that what he posted is entirely possible, knowing what I know of Subaru, and how they operate.

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Old 02-13-2008, 01:18 PM   #6
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If it weren't for the comments about the Ralliart being "stylish and aggressive" and how Impreza sales are down, I would be more apt to believe that this actually took place. Also, revealing information about a future, more powerful model could drastically affect sales of the current line.

I just can't see the president of SoA making those comments to a journalist.

There are just too many weird things about that interview. I don't doubt that Subaru has plans to counter the Ralliart though. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us.

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Yeah, these guys are very guarded in what they say, but who knows, maybe he caught him at a weak moment...

It would be great if someone could contact that poster and get a link, if it still remains. I searched but couldn't find one. That doesn't mean it didn't get posted, however. I've posted some stuff in the past from SOA, only to be contacted by them asking me to take it down. That could have happened here.

My take—even if it were fake—is that what he posted is entirely possible, knowing what I know of Subaru, and how they operate.

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Old 02-13-2008, 01:21 PM   #7
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I was at Arapahoe Basin, Colorado last Saturday and Subaru was sponsoring a ski/snowboard event. I talked to a Subaru rep and he was mentioning a new WRX coming out in October. The only thing he said about it was going to have a 260 hp engine while the current 224 hp version will become a GT trim. Not sure how true this is but seems to support some rumors.
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If it weren't for the comments about the Ralliart being "stylish and aggressive" and how Impreza sales are down, I would be more apt to believe that this actually took place. Also, revealing information about a future, more powerful model could drastically affect sales of the current line.

I just can't see the president of SoA making those comments to a journalist.
Maybe he was drunk at a bar and the questioner was a hot chick?
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:35 PM   #9
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If it weren't for the comments about the Ralliart being "stylish and aggressive" and how Impreza sales are down, I would be more apt to believe that this actually took place. Also, revealing information about a future, more powerful model could drastically affect sales of the current line.

I just can't see the president of SoA making those comments to a journalist.

There are just too many weird things about that interview. I don't doubt that Subaru has plans to counter the Ralliart though. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us.
I find it hard to believe too, but you never know. I've gone one-on-one with these guys on several occasions, and yes, while they are very guarded, they do sometimes let things slip.

Also keep in mind the following:

• The Tribeca got an earlier than expected refresh due to poor consumer response, I expect the same to be true for the WRX, and 2010 would be the year for that to happen.

• 2010 we will get the new Legacy, Outback, and maybe the diesel too? Maybe other mechanical upgrades such as CVT, more 6-speed manuals, direct injection and who knows what else?

• Everything he posted in terms of upgrades, and his comments on the Ralliart, sounded (to me) to be entirely possible and within reason.

Maybe the poster is just a great "storyteller," but then again maybe there's some truth here. We won't know until we can get some confirmation one way or the other. That's why I'm asking everyone to do some detective work on their own here. I'm not registered with that R&T site. I tried, but was having problems. Maybe someone here who is registered there can send him a private message, and try to get this clarified? A link to this interview would be great if it exists.

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Old 02-13-2008, 01:40 PM   #10
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I was at Arapahoe Basin, Colorado last Saturday and Subaru was sponsoring a ski/snowboard event. I talked to a Subaru rep and he was mentioning a new WRX coming out in October. The only thing he said about it was going to have a 260 hp engine while the current 224 hp version will become a GT trim. Not sure how true this is but seems to support some rumors.
While that may make perfect sense, it comes too close to knocking on the STI's door unless they up the power in the STI.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:57 PM   #11
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i don't think it's really that close to knocking on STI's door. You're still missing the STI suspension, wide fender flares, etc. 300+ is still more than 260. Then again, one would have to wonder what would be the difference between the GT trim and this "new" trim other than power if this were to happen.
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i don't think it's really that close to knocking on STI's door. You're still missing the STI suspension, wide fender flares, etc. 300+ is still more than 260. Then again, one would have to wonder what would be the difference between the GT trim and this "new" trim other than power if this were to happen.
True, but I think what you might see is that people may start to pass up the STI if they can get a WRX that's almost there powerwise, and could be made to come close(still no DCCD,etc) to an STI's performance for only a little bit more money in the aftermarket. I would expect a 260hp WRX to have uprated springs and the like. We'll see, sure would be interesting to see what they do since they know they effed up when you look at what Mitsubishi is doing. I really expected the STI to stomp the EVO this time, and in some respects it does, but not where it counts. But then again, Subaru may be content to do their own thing and not worry about what Mitsu is doing.
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:34 PM   #13
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I find it hard to believe too, but you never know. I've gone one-on-one with these guys on several occasions, and yes, while they are very guarded, they do sometimes let things slip.

Also keep in mind the following:

• The Tribeca got an earlier than expected refresh due to poor consumer response, I expect the same to be true for the WRX, and 2010 would be the year for that to happen.

• 2010 we will get the new Legacy, Outback, and maybe the diesel too? Maybe other mechanical upgrades such as CVT, more 6-speed manuals, direct injection and who knows what else?

• Everything he posted in terms of upgrades, and his comments on the Ralliart, sounded (to me) to be entirely possible and within reason.

Maybe the poster is just a great "storyteller," but then again maybe there's some truth here. We won't know until we can get some confirmation one way or the other. That's why I'm asking everyone to do some detective work on their own here. I'm not registered with that R&T site. I tried, but was having problems. Maybe someone here who is registered there can send him a private message, and try to get this clarified? A link to this interview would be great if it exists.

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Sent PM Bob,I will get back to you if he responds.It was wierd the first did not go through,the second time I did it,the pm worked.I think this guy is getting alot of PM's
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Yeah, these guys are very guarded in what they say, but who knows, maybe he caught him at a weak moment...
So weak that he'd use the phrase "stylish and agressive looking Ralliart," as if he thought the WRX wasn't? And an assistant editor for "Car Crazy.com" (what the heck is that?) can't even spell aggressive?
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Sent PM Bob,I will get back to you if he responds.It was wierd the first did not go through,the second time I did it,the pm worked.I think this guy is getting alot of PM's
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^^ I wrote a nice letter asking for links,truth and info.Also I gave him the link to this thread so he can read what we are saying about the so called interview.Might be true,who knows.You would know better then anyone.
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I was at Arapahoe Basin, Colorado last Saturday and Subaru was sponsoring a ski/snowboard event. I talked to a Subaru rep and he was mentioning a new WRX coming out in October. The only thing he said about it was going to have a 260 hp engine while the current 224 hp version will become a GT trim. Not sure how true this is but seems to support some rumors.
I too have heard that information from reliable sources.

Oh, and Impreza sales may be up but someone check WRX sales or better still, Months supply
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How is it that this Savannah charity rally (where the Mahoney interview occurred) doesn't seem to be mentioned by anyone in either the NASIOC Southeast Region Forum or the WRX Atlanta forums?
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250-260hp is what the new WRX should should have had to begin with. Then Mitsu would be building an enthusiast car to try to keep up with Subaru, not the other way around......
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How is it that this Savannah charity rally (where the Mahoney interview occurred) doesn't seem to be mentioned by anyone in either the NASIOC Southeast Region Forum or the WRX Atlanta forums?
Must be part of the Super Secret 50th Anniversary functions to which NASIOC has not been invited.
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Old 02-13-2008, 04:08 PM   #21
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I think gotsol hit it. While the number are saying the Impreza sales are up the WRX reception has been warm at best. This would be a move to try and address the situation, so it is possible.

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Old 02-13-2008, 04:21 PM   #22
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^^I can understand a power boost and facelift for the WRX to counter the Ralliart, but two different versions at 224 and 260 hp? Why not just one model the same as the LGT (245 hp IIRC)?
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Article sounds completely made up, probably by Jon (in CT)
I agree with Mike, WRX needs only to be one model, with about 30 more hp/tq. Get with the program, Subaru. If you don't want to spend the bucks on direct injection, at least dump the Legacy motor in the WRX (and bump the Spec B Legacy to at least 280hp)
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a 260 hp wrx is comin way to close to sti territory, the current wrx is already to close to sti territory. with a 260 hp wrx they would need a tranny to handle that power, and if a stronger tranny comes along they've lost my sti sale
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There are just too many weird things about that interview. I don't doubt that Subaru has plans to counter the Ralliart though. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us.
You misspelled "I can't wait to see what they have in store for the JDM".

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