Need: Type-R vs US WRX video.

[Patrick L]

Is there such a video and where?

[Iron Man]

are you serious?


a type R against a WRX......

[WillReckXhop]

why wouldnt he be serious. the type r is the only real compition that the wrx has cost wise. just becasue its not turbo or awd doesnt mean it isnt capable to hang with the wrx. wait till the new rsx comes out that will probably be the biggest compition on the market against the wrx. just my $.02.
peace

[Shaggee]

uhhhh..... the rsx type-s is doing quarter mile in 15.5. thats an estimate i htink from c&d. not really compititoin!and its heavier! and more expensive! maybe if they bring over the rsx-R then well haVE TO SEE!!1

[SubyRacer]

yea and car & driver 'estimated' that the WRX would do 0 to 60 in 6.7s when they first drove it. i dont dont even take their tests seriously, to take their estimates seriously is laughable. no one will know what the S is capable of until its here, and after its been here for awhile. a race between the current type-r and the rex would be a good one with good drivers, whether in a straightline or on a road course. although with equal drivers id definitely put my money on the WRX.

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[Gambit]

there was a video about the tsukuba challenge where there was a race b/t a WRX STi ver. 3/4? against the type r. Guess which car won.
I think it's at www.vtec.net

[Iron Man]

no one mentioned the rsx S.......


(type R vs. WRX)

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[Eby]

Oooh, I know, I know. The STI won, but it wasn't until the very last lap that it took the lead. Guess which car had the lead for the entire race(until the last lap of course). It was the ITR. Not bad, a 200hp FWD car barely loosing to a 280hp awd one.

Now if the ITR is barely beaten by the STI, why would some of you think it couldn't hold its own against the 227hp WRX.

[s]

Gambit, Eby: are you refering to the jap vcd "best motoring"?

haha... I love that show!! but the impreza usually don't compare w/ the integra there... here are what they'll go againt in Japan in the vcd.. NSX, Lancer, RX-7, Skyline... but I hardly seen the impreza took pole position for a while...
can anyone update me on the best motoring news for impreza?

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[XT6Wagon]

The WRX was toying with the Type-R in that video. He passed the R on the OUTSIDE of a corner, and then still beat the R down the straight even after being ofrced 1/2 off the track by said Type-R driver.

[garface]

I've seen those vids, are you sure that was an STi, I was under the impression it was just a regular WRX vs. the ITR, CTR's, FTO, and Lancer. Did the Lancer break down, cuz it disappeared after the first lap or so.

[garface]

Are these what your talkin about?
Drags: http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-08.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-09.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-10.avi
Track Race: http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-11.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-12.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-13.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-14.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-15.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-16.avi

Somthing i think we all need to realize id that the ITR, and the WRX are two totally differnt classes of cars.

The WRX is a rally bassed car. Its designed to be thrown sideways, and powered through corners.
Where as the ITR is straight up a tarmac pounding touring coupe, designed for high revs, high RPM, and grip driving.

And neither of thiese cars where ever designed to be drag raced.

If you really want to talk about armac cars, look at a tarmac specific rally bassed car like the 22B, P1, Evo-6.5 TME. Those are tarmac burning cars. And needless to say, an ITR couldent even fathom keeping up.

So putting it all into prespective, withen their own right, they are all great cars. However, comparing them to each other competitivly is like apples to oranges.

[HpiRally]

I could kick all your a**es on my bike......and I mean pedal bike.


Joe

[WillReckXhop]

i said competitive(comptition) not comparing. as i see it the itr is the only competition unless you can name another car in its performance and price range USDM. just because the WRX comes from a rally heritage doesnt mean everybody is using the WRX for rallying. hell ive seen an itr on rally and a toyota supra. dont believe me check out one of the SCC's not sure which one but about 8 or so months back. what about the BPM coupe runs low 10s on the 1/4. well i am just trying to voice out my opinion not trying to start anything.
peace

[pretz]

i think the Type R is truly a respectable car.

if it ain't losing that badly to a WRX then it should be a pretty good match with the M5. no? haha

[nEoMuGen]

Hi everyone, I am an ITR owner and wannas exchange a few cents.
Well, I was peeking message boards from lots of other cars, sort of espieonaging on competitive cars to know their strength and weakness to better secure my knowledge on cars overall. And interestingly, my most thoughtful rivalry for my car is the same as your, ITR vs WRX thinggy. Without much surprise, ppl here are not ricey bias retards like those on the Celica GTS boards.
So I decided to register and speak out abit.

Never driven Turbos, 4WD or FR, so can't really comment on the pros and cons, but I really like the high revving VTECs in my car. You must like your turbo too, ^_^.
The reason I brought the ITR is 1)at year 2000, it's the best bang for the bucks 2)low-rpm NA more suitable for city driving and gas conservative
3)Rare, and respected, sometimes girls dig it too, hehe.
4)A beginner's car for me to use on AutoX and tracks, since on some track occasions, it behaves like a FR -->as some BM drivers said, and it does oversteers alot when you ask for it.
5) Wants to be among my kind...the same ones with the mentality and attitude of a true car ethuasiest (like you guys). A Stang GT cost about the same, but they are arrogantly overwhleming the street, and most of them knows about their own cars no better than how my grandma undestands about HTML. It's good for floor-it kinds of so called "racing", but imagine it throwing a curve at 60, cutting lanes at 120, AutoX.........enough said.

I definetly want to try out all different cars, but...sorry to say that for a turbo 4wd, I plan to wait for the Evo8.

To stick to the topic, I have the March issue of BM vcd, and they were doing a full test with the JDM WRX, non-STi. And the results are:
1)14.2 avg 0-400M (It's the 250hp)
2)The automatic's turbo hardly respondes and only have 16.1 sec flat 0-400M. (Wagons and sports sedan)
3)There were no ITR for drag comparison, but they used Accord EuroR, which needlessly said, lost at 15.7 due to some horrible launching. And the best time for EuroR I think is 14.8, I remeber it's faster than the ITR. BTW, a perfect launch from Altezza is also 15.7.
4)The only car that ever came close to the WRX at 400m is Silvia S15 Turbo spec-V(240SX Gen3) at 14.3
5) In Tsukuba circult, Altezza pole position, Euro R 2nd and WRX 3rd, TME and old STi covers the behind. At the end TME took 1st, STi took 2nd, then comes Silvia S15, then the new WRX, followed by EuroR, Legacy and Altezza, respectively.
Also, the new STi were took to Nurburgen, Germany for a ride, looks sweet.
I love this VCD too, where the limit of the cars can be tested by the most experienced drivers, where driver's skill gap were kept a minimum.

If any one have some ftp site for upload, I can do the favor.

Here is also a link to a funny video on superhonda.org, it's a homemade between a stock R and a moded turbo 2.5RS AusDM. The R owner claims that after vtec kicks in (5700rpm) the gap between WRX didn't widen.
http://www.live2cruize.com/mvc-028w.mpg http://www.live2cruize.com/itrwhipped.mpg

And for your reference, here is a link of a well done Integra GSR with turbo, it ran fast on drag strip, but it wack the engine several months later...what do you expect of a turbo kit on a car that weren't meant for it? Too many of such example made up my mind to go all motor, slower and more expensive, but I guess it would be fun.
http://www.c-speedracing.com/media.html
(Download the last 5)

A question for you Scoobie drivers, are most of you considering modification to JDM spec if reliable aftermarket appears? I am doing a poll and research to see what kind of mod to put on the teg in response to the scoopie attacks that I anticipate as more ships to the shore. Force induction is not an options for me, FF car simply just can't handle it as a daily driver. A $3000 all-motor work on an ITR can bring it on 1/4mi at high 13's, reliably. So, want to see what a full blooded WRX (250hp JDM with mods) can do, then I will need to come up with another plan to push my car further...probably concentrate more on the handling side after power increases. Competition is a win-win on both side.

So did anyone of you warm blooded enough to already extract the hidden power of WRX, how was it.
Anyone with trouble regarding turbo lag or other related problems?
Has anyone removed the three catalyct converters, how well is the mobility afterwards?



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[GooseMan]

Heres a cool video of a Type R vs. a WRX (ok, Turbo RS, same thing!)...Enjoy.......heh hehehehe

http://www.public.netc.net/montreal-.../snow2250k.asf

Jon

[Snoopy]

The Type R was lucky to build up the lead....because the Civic and FTO were holding up the WRX. Once the WRX got past the two cars, he had one lap to catch the ITR.

He easily reeled that fish in and passed it on the OUTSIDE LANE! BWAHAHAHAHA!

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[Gambit]

I think that tsukuba challenge pit cars that have similar performance. If the ITR has 200hp then it's edge is it's lightness. While the WRX might need to put on ballasts etc. Just like the other touring series races in other countries.
Yeah if you watch the entire video, the WRX was held up. Once he overtook the ITR, the gap just widens. And that's after half a lap in that final lap. Pretty slick.

[WRXMAN1320]

My friend has a ITR, and we've messed around a few times.Not any real races, just 2 thru 4th. Let me tell you, the wrx IS faster. I was on his a$$ the whole time. When we went from a rolling start I still had him by a car or two. Maybe by the end of fourth he would have got me, I don't know.

[Ed_RS]

nEoMuGen:
I belive Imprezer has added an IHI turbo to his car (runs about 1500). I'm guessing it's better than JDM spec. Check in the turbo powertrain forum for "ass kicking" (refering to the SCC cover I assume). There are 2 posts by him, one with just a boost controler, the other with his new turbo.

no 1/4's yet though.

Staying NA with the Type-R is a good idea,
the the compression ratio so high you would damage the engine quickly.

-Ed

[nEoMuGen]

Here is my pic alone with other members of the NEITR club. Don't laugh.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...563&p=48379020

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[nEoMuGen]

More Horsepower = faster, it's hard to neglect this fact. I am not the type of guy that thinks I can take on V8 with my 4 bangers & stuff, so if talking about the top limit of each car despite the skills of driver...as shown from various BM issues, the JDM WRX is doubtlessly untouchable by ITR on drag and circuit -- stockwise. But the main question is how will the USDM do on with USDM ITR? There are many reasons that made up our minds to be devoted to these cult speciality cars. Although I tried to arrange some test drive with Subara dealers, but no way in a million years that I will give up my R. Most honda ethuasiest praise the fine engineering of Honda. Honestly speaking...an NA 4cyl can have such performance and value, it is pretty amazing. There is just something so special about ITR that I fall in love with her. Like you guys did for Impreza. Sure, there are lots other cars that can beat my car, but you have to be an ITR owner to understand our compassion. And vice versa. Driving this car is really really fun, it's hard to describe, its lack of violent torque made it go fast smoothly and agile on corners. What I hated the most is the unneccesary high-end attention crafted by the import world to gave ITR a god-like figure. Which really sucks as I get pick on all the time, I drive crazy and often life-risking to protect the "fame" of ITR and Honda, and I am going full throttle to have my car moded to its fullest potential as more faster and better cars appear on the market. It's a road of no return...sigh.

WRX1330: Why not try to talk in to your friend to switch cars for a couple days, and tell us your like and dislike. Then after both of you are familiarized with each other's car, do a drag, and if your friend driving your WRX still beats the ITR, then the USDM is indeed faster.

And here is some interesting AutoX events. A showdown between stock ITR vs Moded NA 2.5RS(no turbo?). Watch closely on their movement and you will understand why ITR is call the FR of FF cars. And the chasis of 2.5RS is just too rigid to have any advantage on these courses...it's built for rally afterall.
http://www.bsheep.com/public

I think its the #4 and #5, #7 is really funny.

For your references.

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[Eby]

"I drive crazy and often life-risking to protect the "fame" of ITR and Honda"

I hope you're not doing this on public roads. If so, you're one of those people who give a bad name to the import community. Who are you trying to prove your ITR to, the other crazy driving "ricers"? Sure you're showing the other immature street racers how fast your ITR is. Meanwhile you're giving the general public a stereotype that young import drivers are dangerous and reckless.


I personally love the ITR. It's a great car who's performance is best extracted on the track or autocross. Too often I meet ITR drivers who have never even heard of autocross. It's a shame really. Honda should have done like Dodge with the Neon ACR and only sell them to people with SCCA memberships.

FYI, there have been several magazine comparisons between the USDM ITR and WRX. In every one I've seen the ITR has won for overall performance(not off the line acceleration, or bad weather performance of course).

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