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Old 09-22-2015, 10:22 AM   #1
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The Red Bull Global Rallycross double header in Los Angeles was sponsored by Subaru Tecnica International, and they didn’t just bring two extra in drivers to compete – they brought a whole bunch of rally cars for fans to get close enough to touch.

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David Higgins’ 2015 Subaru WRX STI Rally Car is currently a legend-in-the-making. Higgins – along with co-driver Craig Drew – has been winning every Rally America National Championship this year with a blistering pace, leaving competitors such as Ken Block and Subaru Rally Team USA teammate Travis Pastrana in the proverbial dust. The Open Class rally car is kitted out with RECARO SPA proRacer seats, a kevlar fuel cell, and other performance modifications by partner Vermont SportsCar. (To see more of this car in action, check out STPR and NEFR coverage here on the TheGarageBlog.) Higgins also competed in the LA double header with the Subaru team.

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Mark Higgins set a new lap record of 19.26 minutes on the Isle of Man’s 47-mile TT course in 2014 in a U.S.-spec 2015 WRX STI with the three-legged IOM emblem on the side. This broke his own former record of 115.36 set in a 2010 WRX STI. Mark, incidentally, is Dave Higgins’ brother.

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From 2006-2007, Travis Pastrana and Ken Block both competed in rallies in this 2006 WRX STI, Pastrana besting Block and Colin McRae in the 2006 Summer X Games in this car.

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While the livery looks a lot like that of the Subaru driven to victory by Richard Burns 2001, this 1999 WRC99 Impreza has actually never been run in a rally. It was a gift to Burns after placing third on the podium and winning the driver title in the 2001 World Rally Championship with co-driver Robert Reid, winning over Colin McRae (then driving for Ford) and Tommi Mäkinen. He was the first Englishman to win the title. Burns succumbed to brain cancer in 2005.







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Old 09-23-2015, 11:02 PM   #2
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Thanks for posting. I missed out because I was out of town when this was all going down.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:35 AM   #3
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Very cool! Love seeing the 2015 STI with different door mirrors.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:43 AM   #4
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shame they will all get pwned by the fords and the VW's.

Hate it, but it is true. Subaru belongs back in real rally. GRC will fade away like drifting.
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The STI looks and is too big for GRC compared to the other competition. I would like to see an AWD spec BRZ in GRC. Heck if VW can do it with the Beetle, why not.

In related news. Colin McRae's WRC car is going to auction:

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Old 09-24-2015, 01:49 PM   #6
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Crosstrek GRC car?
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:44 PM   #7
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The STI looks and is too big for GRC compared to the other competition. I would like to see an AWD spec BRZ in GRC. Heck if VW can do it with the Beetle, why not.
you are joking right? At the very least Subaru would have to move the engine forward to accommodate their awd system into the brz, not to mention the fact that the suspension would have to be completely revised, and a plethora of other changes would have to be made.

All VW had to do was verify that a transaxle would fit in the beetle, which it does, because that's a TT/A3/golf chassis under the bug which already come AWD.

That's why VW can do it with the beetle and Subaru can't do it with the BRZ.
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you are joking right? At the very least Subaru would have to move the engine forward to accommodate their awd system into the brz, not to mention the fact that the suspension would have to be completely revised, and a plethora of other changes would have to be made.

All VW had to do was verify that a transaxle would fit in the beetle, which it does, because that's a TT/A3/golf chassis under the bug which already come AWD.

That's why VW can do it with the beetle and Subaru can't do it with the BRZ.
Yes of course and yes I understand the whole AWD in BRZ design challenges. But it sure would be fun to see. GRC cars are the furthest from street cars to begin with lots of one off parts/fabrication. Heck, the radiators is located in the rear of the car so there is your extra room.
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Old 09-24-2015, 04:26 PM   #9
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What I find truly funny is that the hatred for all transverse engines and non symmetrical AWD systems found on this website and Subaru routinely gets beaten by just such systems at every GRC event. Now is that a testament to the system or the driver or both.

Are the VW AWD GRC cars using a version of haldex? Is ford?

I am off to go find out right now.
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you are joking right? At the very least Subaru would have to move the engine forward to accommodate their awd system into the brz, not to mention the fact that the suspension would have to be completely revised, and a plethora of other changes would have to be made.

All VW had to do was verify that a transaxle would fit in the beetle, which it does, because that's a TT/A3/golf chassis under the bug which already come AWD.

That's why VW can do it with the beetle and Subaru can't do it with the BRZ.
What does the rule book say about that?

If it is allowed and Subaru wants to spend the money, more power to them!

Subaru has done crazier things in the past. Case in point, the 2009 Subaru Legacy GT300 used in Super GT. It had a drive shaft ABOVE the engine!!

http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/sgt2009/machine.html

Can you imaging doing that to the BRZ?!?
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Crosstrek GRC car?

You have an obsession, man.
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There's already an AWD Toyota 86. It's cray.
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What I find truly funny is that the hatred for all transverse engines and non symmetrical AWD systems found on this website and Subaru routinely gets beaten by just such systems at every GRC event. Now is that a testament to the system or the driver or both.

Are the VW AWD GRC cars using a version of haldex? Is ford?

I am off to go find out right now.
The awd systems found on the Fords and VWs are far from the street versions as Ford's is built by OlsbergsMSE that has 3 LSDs and VW's is fixed-ratio with 2 LSDs. I can't find more specific details but I think it is clear that these are not your run of the mill multiplate clutch systems. I'd argue that the STI's GRC awd system is the closest to a production awd system. Plus they are probably, inspected, rebuilt or replaced more often than we change our oil.

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Old 09-29-2015, 01:20 PM   #14
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Sounds interesting...
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The awd systems found on the Fords and VWs are far from the street versions as Ford's is built by OlsbergsMSE that has 3 LSDs and VW's is fixed-ratio with 2 LSDs. I can't find more specific details but I think it is clear that these are not your run of the mill multiplate clutch systems. I'd argue that the STI's GRC awd system is the closest to a production awd system. Plus they are probably, inspected, rebuilt or replaced more often than we change our oil.
And your point is?
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And your point is?
Jeez, you have me thinking of a post from two weeks ago. Scrappy was wondering what systems Ford and VW run in GRC. The "hatred" he mentioned of non-symmetrical systems is usually based off production multiclutch or viscous type street systems. The systems in the Ford and VW GRC cars are far more advanced than those systems and are probably part of the reason why they are consistently beating Subaru.
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Jeez, you have me thinking of a post from two weeks ago. Scrappy was wondering what systems Ford and VW run in GRC. The "hatred" he mentioned of non-symmetrical systems is usually based off production multiclutch or viscous type street systems. The systems in the Ford and VW GRC cars are far more advanced than those systems and are probably part of the reason why they are consistently beating Subaru.
Thank you. I have been out of country and out of the loop. Sorry to have bothered you.
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