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Old 06-11-2008, 12:51 PM   #501
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Thanks, heading to the dealer after work for an oil change. If they still don't know anything about the part number, I will be posting back in 2 hours.

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OK Now the parts are avalible.....About time. The new protective piece is available. $60 a side. Part number 91163FG080 and 91163FG090.
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SOA Blog, I have one for you...

The latest 2008 Summer edition of Subaru's Drive magazine in the "Caring for Subaru Turbocharged Engines" aritcle states:
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Track day != AutoX.

AutoX = 3 to 8 minutes of driving at speeds no higher than found on a highway, 60-65mph tops in most cases only for a brief period of time with speeds ranging from 40-55 mph average. A distance of generally 3-6 miles in total for a day.

For SOA to 'mandate' oil changes before & after an AutoX means someone was mis-informed on what AutoX really is.

These conditions are almost the same as driving on a highway, and most of the time, at speeds much lower than found on the highway.

So, if one has to change their oil before and after an AutoX, does that mean it has to be changed before and after going to work? To a movie? Anywhere?

AutoX is mostly turning around cones at speeds lower than found on a highway. It's more about tires, and suspension than what's going on under the hood.

What if I lived on a curvy mountain road? Would i have to change the oil before I leave for the day and when I return home?

Can you see what I'm getting at? I believe the article is disingenuous of SOA to the owners that auto-x their Subarus. Oil samples taken and shipped out to independent labs after events show virtually no breakdown of the makeup. Are there studies that have been done to backup the claim that oil changes are now required for auto-x events? How, or whom would I contact to have that statement retracted in the next Drive? It borders on absurd to request this of owners, from the person that may do 1-2 events a year, to the person that does a full season of events.

Almost the whole AutoX community is laughing at this statement, and it's putting Subaru in a bad light in that regard.

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Old 06-12-2008, 07:53 AM   #503
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The latest 2008 Summer edition of Subaru's Drive magazine in the "Caring for Subaru Turbocharged Engines" aritcle states:


Track day != AutoX.

AutoX = 3 to 8 minutes of driving at speeds no higher than found on a highway, 60-65mph tops in most cases only for a brief period of time with speeds ranging from 40-55 mph average. A distance of generally 3-6 miles in total for a day.

For SOA to 'mandate' oil changes before & after an AutoX means someone was mis-informed on what AutoX really is.

These conditions are almost the same as driving on a highway, and most of the time, at speeds much lower than found on the highway.

So, if one has to change their oil before and after an AutoX, does that mean it has to be changed before and after going to work? To a movie? Anywhere?

AutoX is mostly turning around cones at speeds lower than found on a highway. It's more about tires, and suspension than what's going on under the hood.

What if I lived on a curvy mountain road? Would i have to change the oil before I leave for the day and when I return home?

Can you see what I'm getting at? I believe the article is disingenuous of SOA to the owners that auto-x their Subarus. Oil samples taken and shipped out to independent labs after events show virtually no breakdown of the makeup. Are there studies that have been done to backup the claim that oil changes are now required for auto-x events? How, or whom would I contact to have that statement retracted in the next Drive? It borders on absurd to request this of owners, from the person that may do 1-2 events a year, to the person that does a full season of events.

Almost the whole AutoX community is laughing at this statement, and it's putting Subaru in a bad light in that regard.

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KC, ever here of CYA? People these days don't check the oil level in their car and use extended OCI's so engines end up getting run low on oil. An auto-x sloshes oil around in the engine and through the PVC system where it gets burnt off. If you tell people they HAVE to change it after an auto-x...maybe, just maybe they might at least check the oil level.
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KC, ever here of CYA? People these days don't check the oil level in their car and use extended OCI's so engines end up getting run low on oil. An auto-x sloshes oil around in the engine and through the PVC system where it gets burnt off. If you tell people they HAVE to change it after an auto-x...maybe, just maybe they might at least check the oil level.
That's not what the article states. It's not about people checking their oil, or lack thereof. That's general maintenance. If you don't check your oil, then your claims under warranty should be denied. Period.

It clearly stated an oil change MUST be done before AND after an AutoX, when the conditions are no different than a drive on a twisty road, or on/off ramps at speed, should be handled like any other general maintenance, not by a wholly absurd mandate/requirement of pre & post oil changes before & after some 'loaded G' turning.

If I take an off ramp a little hard, and didn't do an oil change directly before-hand, but did one about 1.5K miles ago, does that now void my warranty?

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^^Agreed, changing oil before and after an autoX makes no sense. To give a similar example, I took a winter safe driving course that involved a lot of slaloming around cones etc. The only recommendation re. oil was to make sure it was topped up to avoid oil starvation.
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^^Agreed, changing oil before and after an autoX makes no sense. To give a similar example, I took a winter safe driving course that involved a lot of slaloming around cones etc. The only recommendation re. oil was to make sure it was topped up to avoid oil starvation.
I think the spirit of the article was intended toward people who drive their cars hard for a prolonged period (such as people who might do more than 'one' 3 minute autocross at an event)
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I think the spirit of the article was intended toward people who drive their cars hard for a prolonged period (such as people who might do more than 'one' 3 minute autocross at an event)
Spirit != what's in black and white.

http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum08/Sum08_Turbo.htm (Right under the picture of the legacy)

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"Important" & "requires" in the same line is more than "spirit", it's a mandate. It doesn't say "May require". I can't even take that line out of context even if I wanted to! It's there.

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http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum08/Sum08_Turbo.htm (Right under the picture of the legacy)



I'm failing to miss the 'spirit' of the article when there's a line that says 'Important & requires' in the same line.

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It's in the word 'event'. They meant prolonged, hard driving - more than you'd do on a daily basis - of course, you should always check your oil...
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I'm thinking you don't know what an auto-x is. Most autocross 'events' are single day events with 3-6 runs at 40-60ish seconds. At most, a car may see 6 minutes of run time in a single day. (And if you can find those events, please, let me know, I want to live there!). Around here, we get around 3-4 minutes PER event.

Now National events, courses are 60ish seconds, over the course of 2 days... but only 3 runs per day, which works out to less than 6 min of seat time PER event weekend.

SCCA Solo Nationals, in Heartland Park Topeka saw a total of 4.5 min of drive time for the fastest AS STi.

What would it take to have a retraction to that line? Who would I need to call to have it fixed? I'm serious. Someone or some people truly don't know what an auto-x is and how little it damages your car vs every day driving. I'd even go as far as to contend that on 90 degree days stop-and-go traffic, with the A/C on, for >30 min is more damaging to your car than 3 minutes of seat time at an auto-x.

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I'm thinking you don't know what an auto-x is. Most autocross 'events' are single day events with 3-6 runs at 40-60ish seconds. At most, a car may see 6 minutes of run time in a single day. (And if you can find those events, please, let me know, I want to live there!). Around here, we get around 3-4 minutes PER event.
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Yeah... I know.

Just take the article as a reminder to check your oil and change it now and again.
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Yeah... I know.

Just take the article as a reminder to check your oil and change it now and again.
The problem is, you're going to have a dealer/regional service manager that reads that mag and go "See this line right here? You auto-x? Didn't change before and after? Warranty denied. *stamp* ".

Again, it's not a reminder when it's in black and white as it is. It's a mandate that over zealous service reps *will* (not may) take too far. Retraction or fixing to 'May require' will get me off of this tangent.

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The problem is, you're going to have a dealer/regional service manager that reads that mag and go "See this line right here? You auto-x? Didn't change before and after? Warranty denied. *stamp* ".

Again, it's not a reminder when it's in black and white as it is. It's a mandate that over zealous service reps *will* (not may) take too far. Retraction or fixing to 'May require' will get me off of this tangent.

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I'm guessing as long as it's not in your warranty preclusions, you'll be OK. Unless the rep is AT the Autocross with you....

Like I said, it was an article aimed at general car care, not warranty rules...and, you know, it's probably not bad advice.
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The problem is, you're going to have a dealer/regional service manager that reads that mag and go "See this line right here? You auto-x? Didn't change before and after? Warranty denied. *stamp* ".

Again, it's not a reminder when it's in black and white as it is. It's a mandate that over zealous service reps *will* (not may) take too far. Retraction or fixing to 'May require' will get me off of this tangent.

--kC
Your warranty parameters are spelled out in your warranty booklet and those are the rules by which SOA abides.

For instance lets say that SOA decides for the 09 STI you need to change the oil before and after an auto-x or your warranty coverage is null and void, they cannot make that retroactive to the 08's even though it is the same car. They can say it is a good idea to do that, but they cannot decline a claim based on 09 parameters versus 08.
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O.k, why were my posts deleted? I asked a serious question in regards to the wipers on the new Forester and STI, at the very least it could be regarded as good customer feedback!
btw, it's not just your wipers but the whole mechanism - the Project Manager for Forester made a point of discussing the work they'd put into improving the system.
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SOA Blog - would 16" wheels fit on the 2009 Forester XT (winter wheels)? Any word on an SPT parts coming out for the 2009 Forester? If SPT parts for the 2008 WRX sedan fit perfectly on the 2009 FXT, would it have any negative effects on the warranty?
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btw, it's not just your wipers but the whole mechanism - the Project Manager for Forester made a point of discussing the work they'd put into improving the system.
I would be intersted to know what went into the design of them. They certainly work as though the designer had a personal vested interest in making them.

Please, please, please use them on other models.

I installed a set on my 04 XT and they work in excess of 140mph......

The 08 STI ones fit on the 02-07 Impreza as well (unofficially of course )
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I would be intersted to know what went into the design of them. They certainly work as though the designer had a personal vested interest in making them.

Please, please, please use them on other models.

I installed a set on my 04 XT and they work in excess of 140mph......

The 08 STI ones fit on the 02-07 Impreza as well (unofficially of course )
I just remember how much work he said they had put into them to maintain contact at speed, deliver smooth operation etc. Like I say, it's the whole mechanism including the motor position, control arms etc,
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I just remember how much work he said they had put into them to maintain contact at speed, deliver smooth operation etc. Like I say, it's the whole mechanism including the motor position, control arms etc,
Freakin' brilliant. This blog guy knows his stuff!!! I mean... he even had meetings with the Wiper-designer??? If only all car companies were this cool...
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I just remember how much work he said they had put into them to maintain contact at speed, deliver smooth operation etc. Like I say, it's the whole mechanism including the motor position, control arms etc,
Well, if you can contact him and let him know he did a great job
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I see that my post got deleted also. I am on my 3rd set of blades and my 2nd set of blade assemblies already on my 08 2.5i. There were missing spots on the windshield infront of the driver and the passenger. The only thing the dealer thought was the blades were bad or the assemblies were bent. I think they are really crappy.
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I see that my post got deleted also. I am on my 3rd set of blades and my 2nd set of blade assemblies already on my 08 2.5i. There were missing spots on the windshield infront of the driver and the passenger. The only thing the dealer thought was the blades were bad or the assemblies were bent. I think they are really crappy.
Apparently the STI got the aero blades (similar to Bosch Icon, etc) while we got the lesser classic style blades on our wipers. I've already got Icons in my shop waiting for the OEM blades to degrade further. They're a huge improvement on other cars, IMO.
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Another couple passenger seat complaints from '09 Forester owners, just to keep it on the radar:

"Dislikes? The passenger seat is lower than the driver's seat. It's OK when she's driving, since I'm taller, but when I drive she seems about a foot shorter than me, when in fact she's tall. I will be checking that seat track to see if there is an easy and safe way to lift it half inch or so."
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir....ee99548/30229

As to the low seat postion, all 3 people who have sat in the passenger seat of my Forester have all complained about seat height and ask me, "Where is the height adjustment?". ... Has anyone asked their dealer if anything can be done about permanently raising the seat height? I will call my salesman to see if anything can be done.
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the first year wasn't well attended because of it being a "first year event"

the second one nobody showed up because nobody knew about and when i did post it, it was too late for people to change their plans. also it was raining that morning and it finally blew out around 12:00ish.



i did post in nasioc and legactgt.com and had about 130 that voted to go.


102 at nasioc. read the thread, almost all are upbeat about. and don't do it on the same day as "the wicked big meet"

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1266941


you also need to have the area dealer post it in their showrooms with a pile of instruction sheets on how to get there.
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SOA Blog - now that we have the 09 Legacy info out, I can ask you what was the reasoning behind not making it available with Bluetooth? Hopefully it was not simply to wait for the redesign in 2010. It just seems silly nowadays to spend 20-30K+ on a vehicle w/o hands free communication (despite being law in many parts of the country), when you can also buy a vehicle from other auto manufacturers from in the 15's and get this technology.
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Why is it that I can't get an Impreza with a sunroof?
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