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Old 05-01-2009, 12:27 AM   #1926
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I need some 2010 STI info or I'm buying an EVO No...really.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:33 AM   #1927
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SOA Blog: What can one do to ensure they get an invitation to a Legacy/Outback comparison test drive if/when they are scheduled? I am not a current Outback owner (I have a Forester) and want to make sure I am included.

5 or 6 years ago, when the previous gen Outback was released, SOA held a comparo in Philadelphia in the parking lot of the Philadelphia Park Racetrack. I remember driving a 3.0 and a 2.5XT with my wife, and some competing vehicles IIRC. It was a great experience. I hope SOA is doing this again.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:53 AM   #1928
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Sign up for alerts on Subaru.com and also, if you're not signed up for mysubaru.com, I would do that as well. That way you'll be informed of upcoming Subaru drive events.
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:25 PM   #1929
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they should have warehouse/pre-test at the westampton warehouse and free food like the first two i went to.
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:44 PM   #1930
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:39 PM   #1931
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I have a safety question for SOA Blog: Why is the throttle delay built into the ECU? I've had one instance where I almost got nailed by a truck because the throttle didn't react quickly enough.

I'm sure it's only a half-second delay (maybe less), but when a big truck is bearing down on you, a half-second can feel like an eternity.

I noticed it both in my '05 Legacy and my '07 Tribeca. With the 5MT Legacy, it's easier to offset the delay by just delaying clutch engagement until the engine responds. With the auto tranny in my Tribeca, it makes for a lurchy ride when transitioning from deceleration to acceleration (which happens way too often in rush-hour traffic).

Also, why the 2-second delay when shifting from Neutral to Drive? I sometimes pop it into neutral to avoid having to hold back the Tribeca so much at red lights, then pop it back into drive when the light turns green. The extended period of no throttle response makes other drivers get irritated that I haven't gone anywhere when the light turned green.

These delays seem excessive, and occasionally prove dangerous. Is there a way for the dealer to reduce or remove these throttle delays?
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:33 AM   #1932
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I know a way for you to not have the delay. Don't put your car in neutral at a light. That's just plain dangerous...
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:50 AM   #1933
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I know a way for you to not have the delay. Don't put your car in neutral at a light. That's just plain dangerous...
not really if it's on level ground
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:52 AM   #1934
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I sometimes pop it into neutral to avoid having to hold back the Tribeca so much at red lights, then pop it back into drive when the light turns green.
I don't understand this. You don't want to press the brakes when you're stopped at a red light?
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:27 AM   #1935
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I have a safety question for SOA Blog: Why is the throttle delay built into the ECU? I've had one instance where I almost got nailed by a truck because the throttle didn't react quickly enough.

I'm sure it's only a half-second delay (maybe less), but when a big truck is bearing down on you, a half-second can feel like an eternity.

I noticed it both in my '05 Legacy and my '07 Tribeca. With the 5MT Legacy, it's easier to offset the delay by just delaying clutch engagement until the engine responds. With the auto tranny in my Tribeca, it makes for a lurchy ride when transitioning from deceleration to acceleration (which happens way too often in rush-hour traffic).

These delays seem excessive, and occasionally prove dangerous. Is there a way for the dealer to reduce or remove these throttle delays?
+1! the throttle is slow and makes driving slow/annoying/dangerous. throttle is so slow you have to let off the throttle a little under half a second before stepping on the clutch and grabbing the next gear. doing it this way allows the rpm's to drop to the correct place in the next gear. if you just drive it like a normal (cable throttle) car by letting off the throttle, clutch in and shift right away, the rpm's hang and the rpm's won't be at the correct shift point (rpms too high) in the next gear. slow throttle response also sucks when i want to blip the throttle on downshift; my cousin's mini cooper s is even worst at this.

only reason i see for this delay is for smoothness?...because the car/engine definately does not react to the smaller inputs of the pedal. one of the reasons why i love my 2001 impreza rs, it does what i want it to, and smoothness is based on driver skill.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:53 AM   #1936
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I don't understand this. You don't want to press the brakes when you're stopped at a red light?
It's mainly when the engine is cold and idle is boosted to 1500 rpm - my 'beca is trying to go when I don't want it to, so I pop it into neutral.

What's really odd is that in Drive, idle is at 1500 rpm, but in neutral it drops to about 700-800. When it finally warms up, idle in Drive drops to 700-800.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:22 PM   #1937
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not really if it's on level ground
That's assuming you are able to accurately judge that you are (or are not) on level ground. That ability is not a given.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:39 PM   #1938
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^^Hopefully he still has the brake on when in neutral.

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Also, why the 2-second delay when shifting from Neutral to Drive? I sometimes pop it into neutral to avoid having to hold back the Tribeca so much at red lights, then pop it back into drive when the light turns green. The extended period of no throttle response makes other drivers get irritated that I haven't gone anywhere when the light turned green.
I sometimes turn my car off entirely at long lights. I just watch the cross traffic's light and restart my car when it turns yellow.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:40 PM   #1939
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Brake pressure to hold a stop while in neutral is a lot lighter than brake pressure required while in Drive, especially at high idle.

Checking for level ground is easy - let off the brake, if you start to roll, reapply brake.
Besides, most manual-tranny drivers pop it out of gear at lights. What's so different about doing it with an auto?
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:32 PM   #1940
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SOA - 2010 STI? Info please.
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^ They don't discuss future products.... (for the umphteen time).
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Old 05-06-2009, 09:25 AM   #1942
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:47 PM   #1943
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While I know it is not possible to say "yes" or "no". Do you know if the 2008 STI end of year deals from last November are a once in a lifetime thing or is there a chance it could happen again this year? Heuberger Subaru in CO. Springs was very aggressive in their sale of those cars and was wondering if it may happen again. I have noticed that my local Subaru dealers do not seem to be carrying the STI in nearly the quantities they did last year, which worries me...since the 08 fire sale seemed to be due to overstock. Thanks for your time.
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While I know it is not possible to say "yes" or "no". Do you know if the 2008 STI end of year deals from last November are a once in a lifetime thing or is there a chance it could happen again this year? Heuberger Subaru in CO. Springs was very aggressive in their sale of those cars and was wondering if it may happen again. I have noticed that my local Subaru dealers do not seem to be carrying the STI in nearly the quantities they did last year, which worries me...since the 08 fire sale seemed to be due to overstock. Thanks for your time.
How can we say yes or no, without saying yes or no?
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+1! the throttle is slow and makes driving slow/annoying/dangerous. throttle is so slow you have to let off the throttle a little under half a second before stepping on the clutch and grabbing the next gear. doing it this way allows the rpm's to drop to the correct place in the next gear. if you just drive it like a normal (cable throttle) car by letting off the throttle, clutch in and shift right away, the rpm's hang and the rpm's won't be at the correct shift point (rpms too high) in the next gear. slow throttle response also sucks when i want to blip the throttle on downshift; my cousin's mini cooper s is even worst at this.

only reason i see for this delay is for smoothness?...because the car/engine definately does not react to the smaller inputs of the pedal. one of the reasons why i love my 2001 impreza rs, it does what i want it to, and smoothness is based on driver skill.

Can't speak specifically for Tribeca, but I do know that a lot of 1st gears are very tall now to aid in emissions testing.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:36 PM   #1946
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How can we say yes or no, without saying yes or no?
You can say either:

"We have made a decision already but can't discuss it"

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You can say either:

"We have made a decision already but can't discuss it"

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"We have NOT made a decision yet"

And neither makes you more informed.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:52 PM   #1948
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Can't speak specifically for Tribeca, but I do know that a lot of 1st gears are very tall now to aid in emissions testing.
No, we were talking about the throttle delay built into the ECU.
I hear that the delay can be removed from the Legacy and Impreza via EcuTek or AccessPort. Custom tune.
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Old 05-07-2009, 03:21 PM   #1949
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2010 Forester pricing came out...any timetable on 2010 Impreza?
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