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Old 02-09-2002, 01:52 AM   #1
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I just sold (as of today) my TT RX-7 today, and am in the market for a used WRX, either in Fairbanks, or Anchorage. Some mods would be nice, but won't turn my back on a stock one either. So if anyone knows, or comes across one I would appreciate you dropping me a line. In case any of you didn't know what a TT RX-7 looks like here's a pic of my old car.
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Old 02-09-2002, 02:41 AM   #2
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why did u sell it? i personally would take the rx-7 over a wrx any day! but u probably wanted something you could drive in the winter too...
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Old 02-09-2002, 03:42 AM   #3
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I sold it cause I have a family, and the RX-7 only seats 2. The WRX can fill two needs for me it can be my drag car, and also the family car. I bought the RX-7 in Sept. in Anchorage at the estate auction of the original owner, my intent from the time I bought it was to turn around and sell it for a profit. That's just what I did. Another reason I sold it is that the rotary engine is very fragile, and easy to destroy. For the times that I want to run at the strip, the RX-7 would have required a stand alone ecu. To tune the stand alone you need a dyno, someone who understands your particular stand alone, and someone who knows rotary engines. There aren't any dyno's in AK so that clinched my decision to sell the RX-7.
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Old 02-09-2002, 04:05 AM   #4
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Awesome piece of machinery. I heard about their engines being compared to grenades. Its bad enough to have an RX-7 here in Anchorage and to try and tune it but to have one in Fairbanks would be worse. I would have tried to keep it if I could afford it. Maybe if it was white.
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Old 02-09-2002, 04:49 AM   #5
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I could afford to keep the car, and to make some moderate changes, but I wanted more than those modifications could give me. Another factor in selling the car was that it was 9 years old, albeit with only 9561 original miles, but still almost a decade old. I was able to sell the car for what a new WRX retails for, and I made a nice profit on the car to boot. It was by far the fastest stock car that I've ever owned. Here's another pic.
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Old 02-09-2002, 05:12 AM   #6
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Drool....drool...drool. Oh excuse me was I drooling. That was a good tradeoff. I have read on a lot of forums that tuning that rotary was real critical and if you have the original engine in the vehicle without a rebuild is because you didn't drive it to its potential. I would have definitely kept it if I lived in Cali.
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Old 02-09-2002, 05:21 AM   #7
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Kapafool if I was in Cali. I imagine I would have kept the car. XS is one of only two shops in the US that can completely tune the Apexi PFC, one of the best stand alones for the RX-7. Here's one more pic for you.
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Old 02-09-2002, 02:57 PM   #8
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I saw where one of the banks in ANchorage still had a WRX repo on their lot for $22,000.

I had a '94 TT RX-7 purchased two years ago but the dealership sold it out from under me. Too bad, I was looking forward to autocrossing it.

From what I know, there are just a few problems that need to be resolved to make the rotary TT to be fairly reliable. One is the vacuum lines operating the turbos; a tie-off job costs about $500. The other are the apex seals, stock 2mm vs upgraded 3mm. Not sure on the cost, but I'm betting it would be around $2k since a rand new engine is about $2200.

The holy grail of fixes for the 3rd gen, as I understand it, is to have a single Garrett turbo fitted for around $4k.

With current prices on RX-7 TT's around $10k - $15k, this is starting to look like a great summer car idea again. Total investment under $25k and able to turn low 11's while still looking like the best thing on the road.
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alaskausa had one repoed...it was a black one...but that was a while ago when i saw it...
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Old 02-09-2002, 03:49 PM   #10
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To get a relly clean TT RX-7 your going to spend approx. $16 to $18 k. The big problem with the TT RX-7 is that it uses a speed density system to measure air intake. This system doesn't sample the incoming air, it just has base maps that it runs dpendent on certain factors. As soon as you start to modify the car you increase the amount of air going into the engine, but the stock ecu doesn't increase the amount of fuel. Detonation is dangerous for any engine, but will instantly pop a rotary. The general rule of thumb with the 3'rd RX-7 is 2 mods, and then you need a reprogrammed ecu, or a stand alone. So an intake and downpipe, and new ecu and so on and so forth. The vacum hoses get very brittle because of the extreme amount of heat that the rotary puts out, so you either need to replace them with silicone hoses, and ty wrap them. The job is very tedious cause there are numerous amount of lines to control the sequential turbo system, the hoses are referred to as a rats nest because of the shear number of them. Another thing that needs to be done is a new downpipe ($300 uninstalled), this removes the first cat that tends to fry the secondary turbo. A good intake (approx $500). Catback ($500), ecu ($700), intercooler ($1500), radiator ($500). Your not going to run low 11's on stock turbos and have them last for any amount of time ($2500 -$3000 for new high flow twins). If you go single turbo your going to need all of this and more, cause a remapped stock ecu won't support a single so a stand alone is in order ($1500), then you have to find a dyno and someone who knows your stand alone, and rotary engines (not in Alaska). That isn't even getting into the driveline, where the tranny is just hanging between the engine and the rear end, and a rear end that will easily destroy itself with just a little wheelphop. I could keep going on, and on. I loved the look of the RX-7 simply the best looking affordable car on the road today, imo. But an extremely expensive car to modify, there were only about 5000 of them sold in the U.S. so finding someone who knows about them is rare. Good if you like having a distinctive car, bad for parts, and mechanics knowledge. If you really wanted one you would need a minimum of $30,000 to get in the 11's safely, and that would be in the lower 48 where there are only a handful of shops that could take car of the larger mods for you. I loved the car, but there were just to many obstacles for me to keep it.
FYI I sold the car for $23,000, so these cars really hold there value. Forgot to mention that you can't expect the rotary to last that many miles, and then you need to rebuild it. For $2200 you might get a Muzda remanufactured motor, but that won't really work if your going high performance, so figure $4000 -$5000 for a rebuild plus shipping to and from a shop in the states, and that doesn't even include pulling the motor or reinstall.
Blah, blah.
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Old 02-09-2002, 03:56 PM   #11
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Hey thanks AK WRX, I just checked the Akusa site and according to it they have a black WRX for sale. But they're asking to much for it $24,400. I can go get a brand new for less than that. When I took a WRX for a test drive and mentioned that I didn't like the stock wing they said they would take that $$$ off of the msrp, just imagine what deal I could get with some real haggling.
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Old 02-09-2002, 04:04 PM   #12
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Good info for the RX-7. I was reading into it and this is what I read :

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To get a relly clean TT RX-7 your going to spend approx. $16 to $18 k. The big problem with the TT RX-7 is that it uses a speed density system to measure air intake. This system doesn't sample the incoming air, it just has blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ............

Just kidding, I did read into it and thats what Turbo magazine put an article on it. I got kinda lost with some of the details since I haven't looked into the engine compartment of an RX-7 before. Good info for the next person who wants one.
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Old 02-09-2002, 05:58 PM   #13
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I can't believe you sold that car!!! It must have been painful. On to your next car....

Looking for a WRX? AlaskaUSA takes bids on their car. You can bid lower than what they are asking. I know they have a limit to how low you can go or a number that they would like to get, but that car has been there for almost two months. I'd bi 20k and see what happens. You're right. You can go get a new one for what they want plus it wouldn't have all those miles. That car had 5k on it and I'm sure those were hard miles, too. I think the guy who owned it lives in Fairbanks and he sometimes posts on here.

There is a silver WRX at Phil Haws on Old Seward with a bunch of factory options like factory gauge pack and I think it has the STi muffler, too. They were asking $27k but I'm sure they know they will never get that price.

Continental Subaru has a used RB WRX, it's an automatic. Nuff said about that.

I know of a couple WRX owners up in Fairbanks. Did you meet any of them? We had Dan come down from Fairbanks for our last meet. You'll have to let us know when you are in town so we can all get together.

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Old 02-09-2002, 06:04 PM   #14
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FairbanksWRX, just email you. Winslow
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Old 02-09-2002, 06:15 PM   #15
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Winslow,
Thanks for the info on the cars. I'm thinking about making an offer to AkUSA, but have to wait until the boss gets back and see what she has to say. $20,000 seems to be the going rate for a used WRX, just so happens that's my target price. I would prefer silver (my choice), blue (wifes choice), or white. Does Dan own a yellow WRX? If so I spoke to him brielfly this summer at the drag races. Do you happen to have any detailed contact info on the silver WRX that you mentioned? I'm only interested in a manual tranny car.
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Phil Haws, South on Old Seward, past the Dimond Center on the right. Phone Number: (907)336-2625

Yup, that's Dan yellow WRX. He's got some good ideas going into his car. You guys sound like you would make a lethal racing combo. He is always offering his garage to us. Crazy guy thinks we'll drive to Fairbanks to do mods.

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Old 02-10-2002, 12:32 AM   #17
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yes i do own a yellow WRX, in fact i was trying too sell it a couple of months ago. Nitrous and all I was asking 23000 for everything. two sets of tires and all the mods.

Are you the guy who was videotaping the drag races?
If so i would like too get a copy from you if i could, what too post my car running down the track.
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Old 02-10-2002, 02:54 AM   #18
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No I wasn't taping the races I just saw you in line during T and T, while the Jr. dragsters were racing, and asked you about if there were that many parts available for the WRX. Is your car still for sale?? What mods have you made, what other wheels do you have for the car? If you sold the WRX what would you replace it with?
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Old 02-10-2002, 03:11 AM   #19
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How about an Audi S4, WRX STi, Lancer EVO VII? Porsche 911 Turbo?
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Im in the same boat as you FairbanksWRX, need a four door for the kids and grocerys .
Have the kartboy short shifter, 50 shot nitrous, morrettes, just ordered the 3 gauge pod from summit, phatom gauges for oil fuel and nitrous pressur, egt gauge, boost vac gauge, and fuel mix moniter.
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if the price was right i would sell it.
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Here's my take on how I would get a 3rd gen RX-7 for under $25k and have something that would not blow up the first time down the strip (or around the course).

Ebay has an RX7 (or did Thursday evening) without an engine. Current bidding was about $10,500, and mileage was 70,000 or close. Other options include a slightly damaged one from an insurance company which usualy go for less but need more put back into them to make them workable. A third option is to get one with a salvage title. One was available on E-bay this morning in the $8100 range (closing on the 12th) with just 761 miles on it.

Anyway, lets say that whatever I get I have to put $2000 into it to make everything reasonably nice.

There are numerous places in the lower 48 that still specialise in rotary performance and a few that focus on the 3rd gen. Pettit Racing, Peter Farrell Supercars, and M2 come to mind. Depending on where the car is located, I would have it shipped to one of them after deciding what level of performance I wanted.

For the purposes of this example, I will use the highest dollar amount you quoted on any one item and will use the $10,500 car with an extra $2k as noted above. The engine will come from Pettit Racing which sells a 93+ 13b with street port and 3mm apex seals for $3600. Total of the mods you listed below was $7500 (I found a stand-alone ECU at PFS for $1000) So, the grand total is (music please): $23,600 +shipping and handling

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downpipe ($300 uninstalled), this removes the first cat that tends to fry the secondary turbo. A good intake (approx $500). Catback ($500), ecu ($700), intercooler ($1500), radiator ($500). Your not going to run low 11's on stock turbos and have them last for any amount of time ($2500 -$3000 for new high flow twins). If you go single turbo your going to need all of this and more, cause a remapped stock ecu won't support a single so a stand alone is in order ($1500),
Wait a second, this thread was about finding you a WRX
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so ur gonna bid on the black one from alaskausa? black! nice choice!
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If you ever do get a 3'rd gen. RX-7 stay away from PFS. He has a very bad rep. within the RX-7 community. His "stand alone" isn't really even considered by most owners, either the Apexi PFC (good if staying with the twins, not so good going single), Haltech (good for single, pain to install), or the yet to be released AEM stand alone (if it does all it claims the best). But it you are looking for one of the best handleing cars around for a resonable amount of money the TT RX-7 is the way to go, if you can keep it from blowing up once you start to mod. it. If it were me I would either just perform the reliability mods (downpipe, intake, vacuum hose/tie job, radiator) and work on the suspension, or by an RX-7 with a blown motor and replace it with an LT1 V8 (weigh the same believe it or not), or for some more money get a C5 Vette they are strating to clean up in the autox competitions.

It's funny how a thread can get sidetracked, huh. But it would appear that I've found three option for a WRX the two in Anchortown, and Dan's.
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I'm going to explore all of my options Dans' car sounds really nice, I prefer the Silver exterior of Phil Haws'WRX, and the one that Akusa has could be gotten for the least amound of money (most likely).
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Thanks for the info on PFS, hadn't heard that before.

Good luck in your hunt for a WRX and hope to see you at a Suby meet in the near future.

FYI, the SCCA is looking at putting on a 2-day event at the Nenana airport the first weekend in June as in years past. Nothing solid yet, but we will be getting it together over the next month or so. If you are into Autocross, you may be interested in competing.
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