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Old 02-26-2008, 06:51 PM   #26
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It will be loud on hard accel but it will make you . I have the stromung single hfc pipe and i think the RT pipe has 2 hfc. Mine is quite tame at cruising rpms and almost not noticeable on the highway/interstate. Just don't romp on it around cops, especially if they are tards in your area, you'll be fine.
Cool, thanks for the advice. The only way to tell is to install them. So i'll find out next week.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:59 PM   #27
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True! But if you do it in an area where salt, snow, and slush make your life miserable every winter, you just ask for the headers to disintegrate after a few winters
Not to mention the entire drop of oil + wrapping = fireball issue...
No, actually it's not an issue. IF a drop of oil or even more than that soaked in the wrap it would priobably smell for a few miles but thats about it. I have soaked my OEM heatsheild insulation with oil just about every time i change it since the filter is above the header and it just does't happen (fire). And for the headers disintigrating in snow, salt, etc, that wont happen with a set of stainless headers. even the low quality stainless will last quite some time with all that crap on it. Salt not only lowers the freezing point of water to melt ice/keep it from freezing but it also lowers the boiling point of water so any moisture that is in the wrap will be out of it in the form of water vapor sooner than if there was no salt. I know it seems like salt and water would be the worst thing for steel headers but its ignorant to think that. just trying to be informative.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:35 PM   #28
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No, actually it's not an issue. IF a drop of oil or even more than that soaked in the wrap it would priobably smell for a few miles but thats about it. I have soaked my OEM heatsheild insulation with oil just about every time i change it since the filter is above the header and it just does't happen (fire). And for the headers disintigrating in snow, salt, etc, that wont happen with a set of stainless headers. even the low quality stainless will last quite some time with all that crap on it. Salt not only lowers the freezing point of water to melt ice/keep it from freezing but it also lowers the boiling point of water so any moisture that is in the wrap will be out of it in the form of water vapor sooner than if there was no salt. I know it seems like salt and water would be the worst thing for steel headers but its ignorant to think that. just trying to be informative.

Hm, thanks for the info. I did read a lot on here regarding wrap, and the opinions do seem to be divided
The sealer + wrap should in principle be sufficient (and happily endorsed by SubieGal if I'm not mistaken), yet the coolant catching on fire upon contact with the wrap wasn't an invented story. Then you have the issue of heat containment, and thereby larger T swing between the car running/cold, which in turn implies more mechanical stress, and possibility of cracking.

I wont argue against, as I don't have them on. Won't wrap mine now as they are on the car, and I dont have $ to get them off and on in a garage for the moment. So my only two cents is that it looks ugly
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:29 PM   #29
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:48 AM   #30
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^^^
Are you saying it sounds better cause the headers are wrapped or just better then stock. Please explain.
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:31 AM   #31
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sounds better than stock. when it was stock, there was hardly any rumble...
the ticking sound is a lil louder tho. in reality they should be ceramic coated or wrapped because it would deaden that sound. I love em and they sound great to me and i get compliments left and right...
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:11 AM   #32
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from a purely stock car to a UEL header, i couldn't hear a difference

it was when i installed an axleback, then the rumble came out
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:41 AM   #33
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^^ True. Little difference without a cat/axelback, unless you stand behind the car and someone revs it a bit. From the driver's seat any difference is drowned in the engine bay noise.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:05 PM   #34
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Just finished my setup on my 99 DOHC Legacy
-Borla Header
-Custom axel back with a vibrant muffler
At Idle it sounds absolutly amazing with a 2.0 WRX Rumble to it....in normal driving conditions it just rumbles away and makes everyone look. At wide open throttle with the intake involved it will rattle your ear drums. From a being around subaru's my whole life i cant describe a nicer sound.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:08 PM   #35
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Just finished my setup on my 99 DOHC Legacy
-Borla Header
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At Idle it sounds absolutly amazing with a 2.0 WRX Rumble to it....in normal driving conditions it just rumbles away and makes everyone look. At wide open throttle with the intake involved it will rattle your ear drums. From a being around subaru's my whole life i cant describe a nicer sound.
lol that's EXACTLY what i'm running
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:38 PM   #36
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haha shadow... good minds think alike
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:45 PM   #37
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Just finished my setup on my 99 DOHC Legacy
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At Idle it sounds absolutly amazing with a 2.0 WRX Rumble to it....in normal driving conditions it just rumbles away and makes everyone look. At wide open throttle with the intake involved it will rattle your ear drums. From a being around subaru's my whole life i cant describe a nicer sound.
Sound clip?
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:55 PM   #38
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Ill have one by tomorrow
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Old 03-07-2008, 01:05 PM   #39
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So you just kept the stock cats and mid pipe?
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Old 03-07-2008, 01:19 PM   #40
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yep...going to be getting a midpipe soon
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Old 03-07-2008, 01:29 PM   #41
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cool. Im thinking of getting the borla knock offs, keep the stock cats, and stromung mid pipe and keep my spt axle back. should be a tad loud im assuming.
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Old 03-07-2008, 01:52 PM   #42
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cool. Im thinking of getting the borla knock offs, keep the stock cats, and stromung mid pipe and keep my spt axle back. should be a tad loud im assuming.
With the stock cats and SPT axleback, I can't imagine it would be very loud at all. Certainly on the tamer end of things. Report back with how that sounds though, I'd be interested to know. I feel like while my STi axleback sounds ok with the Borla's, it's holding back way too much rumble. I need something that will let a little more rumble out, without being much louder.
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I just had that set-up with an SPT Axel back and you cant hear a damn thing unless you were to crawl inside the tailpipe
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With the stock cats and SPT axleback, I can't imagine it would be very loud at all. Certainly on the tamer end of things. Report back with how that sounds though, I'd be interested to know. I feel like while my STi axleback sounds ok with the Borla's, it's holding back way too much rumble. I need something that will let a little more rumble out, without being much louder.
Last weekend I installed UEL Borla headers on my 2000 RS.

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Ganzflow Intake>Borla Headers>Stock Dual Cats>2.5" Custom Midpipe>Prodrive Axelback Exhaust

The bass like pulsing is obvious when at idle, and the rumble is there (inside the cabin and outside) when accelerating from low RPM's. But the pulsing/rumble disappears after 3k and the intake can be heard. Do you guys think removing one of the dual cats or replacing them with a HFC will open her up a little more? Or do you think the Prodrive Axelback (which I think is similar to the SPT), is REALLY that good at muffling the sound?

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Yea, pretty much the same deal here. It sounds great until about exactly 3k like you said, then nothing. I'm surprised to hear that from the Prodrive, though.
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isnt the nothing because it's muffled by your intake? It's one of the reasons I went back to stock muffled intake... well for now.
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was there a verdict reached on whether or not it is good to wrap your headers? i cant stand the ticking sounds...
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^ Opinions are still divided. One thing is certain, the more snow you have, the worse of an idea it is because of the salt/sand/water combo. If you plan on keeping your car for another say two years, then why not... I dont think the headers will suffer too much in such a short timeframe.
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i heard something about the ceramic coating being a bad idea because of heat changes? i was thinking about doing this because i do travel into the snow almost every weekend during the winter... that being said, it will probably only be that frequent for 2 years and at that point, i could say screw it and just buy new ones or repair the damages i guess
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Yea, pretty much the same deal here. It sounds great until about exactly 3k like you said, then nothing. I'm surprised to hear that from the Prodrive, though.
I was surprised too, but I still love the Prodrive exhaust overall, its perfect in stop and go traffic. And I appreciate the fact that there is no droning at freeway speeds. But it would be great if I could maintain that pulse/rumble sound throughout the entire RPM range. I just donít know how to achieve this, since the HFC seems like it will be too loud for my taste, and the stock dual cats are too quiet.

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isnt the nothing because it's muffled by your intake? It's one of the reasons I went back to stock muffled intake... well for now.
The Ganzflow Intake doesnít really become vocal unless youíre at WOT. During normal acceleration I primarily hear noise from the engine from 3k to 4.5k, and then the intake kicks in. So for that reason I donít believe the intake is overpowering the headers and exhaust. Good question though.
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