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Old 02-26-2008, 02:16 PM   #1
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Default what is an off the shelf map ?

heard about that if u mod ur car, then go with an off the shelf map , then u dont have to tune it.

is that good for car?
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:20 PM   #2
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I'm assuming you're referring to the cobb accessport. Cobb has created maps that anyone can download from the internet and implement using their accessport. You can use these to take advantage of mods you've made and make more power. However, a tune will still get you more power over an off the shelf map.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:21 PM   #3
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i have no idea what you are talking about...i think you mean a standard tune like a stage one or two cobb tune that is basic for simple standard mods like intake, downpipe stuff like that. its good but always have professionals mess with your tuning on a dyno

and this is an off the shelf map




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Old 02-26-2008, 02:30 PM   #4
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I'm assuming you're referring to the cobb accessport. Cobb has created maps that anyone can download from the internet and implement using their accessport. You can use these to take advantage of mods you've made and make more power. However, a tune will still get you more power over an off the shelf map.

can i go with an off the shelf map first, and a month later then go with tune. is that ok with my car/?
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:31 PM   #5
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Yea...like what the others said, an ots map is a "base" map which applies to the majority of users with x upgrades according to what the ots map specifies. Example: stage 2 ots maps usually require a downpipe, or tbe, etc.

Getting a custom tune from a professional will unleash more potential from your car however, since OTS maps are intended to work for a more general audience.

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Old 02-26-2008, 02:35 PM   #6
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Best thing to do is get a Perrin Map... they are "sorta" custon tuned for max power with a certin fuel oct. www.perrinperformance.com/ getting my Access Port in a week there.... and it comes with thier map!
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:37 PM   #7
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Yea...like what the others said, an ots map is a "base" map which applies to the majority of users with x upgrades according to what the ots map specifies. Example: stage 2 ots maps usually require a downpipe, or tbe, etc.

Getting a custom tune from a professional will unleash more potential from your car however, since OTS maps are intended to work for a more general audience.

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i c. so go with street tuning better or go with OTS better?
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:47 PM   #8
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Off the shelf map is a generic tune that is made for certain modifications. They are mostly conservative because they have to run on all cars safely.

If you have a local tuner, definitely get a custom tune.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:50 PM   #9
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If you go with a bigger turbo then you definitely want to get a custom tune (Pro-Tune)
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:52 PM   #10
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Off the shelf map is a generic tune that is made for certain modifications. They are mostly conservative because they have to run on all cars safely.

If you have a local tuner, definitely get a custom tune.
too bad i dont have a local tuner, i gotta drive down to other state for tune it.

and i dont have enough money now. but i got all parts that i needed.
mabye i just go with Off the shelf map first when i got money go get tune
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:54 PM   #11
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OTS map will suffice for a while, but I wouldn't go too crazy and buy more mods that are beyond what the OTS map was designed for. I know what it's like to live far away from a good tuner, but eventually you will have to suck it up to get the most out of your mods.

And yes, if you swap your turbo, fuel injectors, or anything else that's more involved other than standard bolt ons, you WILL need a professional tune.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:55 PM   #12
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Off the shelf map is a generic tune that is made for certain modifications. They are mostly conservative because they have to run on all cars safely.

If you have a local tuner, definitely get a custom tune.
If you don't drive to one. OTS maps are good for the interim but not more than a month or so IMO .

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too bad i dont have a local tuner, i gotta drive down to other state for tune it.

and i dont have enough money now. but i got all parts that i needed.
mabye i just go with Off the shelf map first when i got money go get tune
I can only assume your here in WI with your cheese comment. P&L Motorsports has one of the best tuners in US and they are in Franklin Park, IL just accross from O'Hare International Airport.

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Old 02-26-2008, 03:21 PM   #13
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I found a good Wisconsin map at Barns and Noble for cheep!
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:23 PM   #14
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heard about that if u mod ur car, then go with an off the shelf map , then u dont have to tune it.

is that good for car?
a crappy rich map
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:23 PM   #15
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If you don't drive to one. OTS maps are good for the interim but not more than a month or so IMO
I had OTS stg 2 map for over a year till I got protuned. It's fine for a while. It's not mandatory that you get tuned, but you just wont be unleashing the best performance potential from your mods. Oh yeah.. try and find a local Romraider(Enguinity) tuner. You'll save money that way.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:30 PM   #16
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Some tuners can "remote tune". This requires a laptop and tactrix cable on your end. You do some WOT pulls, log the data, then send the data to your tuner via email. The tuner then looks at and modifies the data and sends it back to you via email. Reload that data onto your car, wash, rinse repeat until satisfactory.

It takes a lot of time but its an option for those without local tuners.
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Some tuners can "remote tune". This requires a laptop and tactrix cable on your end. You do some WOT pulls, log the data, then send the data to your tuner via email. The tuner then looks at and modifies the data and sends it back to you via email. Reload that data onto your car, wash, rinse repeat until satisfactory.

It takes a lot of time but its an option for those without local tuners.
^Yea this may be your best option for now, Pengmao...check with one of my guys who works on my site with me, http://subiefreaks.com, and look at the featured article, AWD Tuning. He does remote tuning and there is some contact info at the bottom of the article if you want to find out more.

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Old 02-26-2008, 03:59 PM   #18
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If you don't drive to one. OTS maps are good for the interim but not more than a month or so IMO .



I can only assume your here in WI with your cheese comment. P&L Motorsports has one of the best tuners in US and they are in Franklin Park, IL just accross from O'Hare International Airport.
P&L too expensive, $199 per hour.

cant afford it. i just drive down to Detroit, there is a good tuner.and very good price, $480 whole tuning..
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^Yea this may be your best option for now, Pengmao...check with one of my guys who works on my site with me, http://subiefreaks.com, and look at the featured article, AWD Tuning. He does remote tuning and there is some contact info at the bottom of the article if you want to find out more.

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u mean this guy
Keith Fields ?
keith_fields@awdtuning.com
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Old 02-26-2008, 04:05 PM   #20
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If you go with a bigger turbo then you definitely want to get a custom tune (Pro-Tune)

for sure. upgrade to vf39, fmic etc...
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Old 02-26-2008, 05:33 PM   #21
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^why vf39? think outside of the box son...
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P&L too expensive, $199 per hour.

cant afford it. i just drive down to Detroit, there is a good tuner.and very good price, $480 whole tuning..
480 isn't a "very good" price. I'm assuming the tune won't take more than 2 hours (however you never know) so the 199/ hour is a better deal. Plus I have never heard anything bad about P&L when browsing tuning threads.

As far as all of your questions:
Just call P&L..i'm sure they would be happy to answer all of your questions. just tell them you are getting a tune there and they will treat you like royalty
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:16 AM   #23
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:38 PM   #24
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so by a protune, you mean they take a particular map and custom fit it to how your car performs?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:48 PM   #25
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480 isn't a "very good" price. I'm assuming the tune won't take more than 2 hours (however you never know) so the 199/ hour is a better deal. Plus I have never heard anything bad about P&L when browsing tuning threads.

As far as all of your questions:
Just call P&L..i'm sure they would be happy to answer all of your questions. just tell them you are getting a tune there and they will treat you like royalty
i called them long time ago.. and the "480" one im pretty sure they wil work on my car more than 2 hours.. it depens on ur car.. its same alignment, depends on ur car..
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