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Old 01-15-2015, 10:50 PM   #1
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Hey every one!
I am looking for some turbo input, I purchased an fp black only to find out it would be too small for my build. I talked with my engine builder, he recommended I go with FP HTA 3586. I was wondering, has any one installed Fp's version of the 3794 "The Super 94"?

Will my ID1300s be able to feed the beast?
Does anyone have any experience with this turbo in the streets? I am looking for a street / strip friendly build.
Should I stick with his original suggestion of the 3586?
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95 lb / min turbo for the street? That is a huge turbo.

What are the goals for this car?
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:19 PM   #3
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Spoke with the tuner and engine builder today.

The Turbo

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Old 06-18-2015, 10:44 PM   #4
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95 lb / min turbo for the street? That is a huge turbo.

What are the goals for this car?
Bump for more suggestions / input.

I am new to subarus / turbos, I am starting to feel as is if my build is a bit overkill for my turbo.

Darton sleeved block, port and polish competition valve job , turbo tuff rods, Gsc s3 camshafts, Cp pistons, Exedy twin disc clutch, cosworth intake, boomba tb, ets el headers, ets fmic, ets turbo kit, id2000s, twin walbro fuel pumps, Tial BoV / WG, killer b pickup, cobb tuner, TGV deletes, and a .85 HTZ 3586.

I was wondering, if I swap my 3586 for a Super94 will I need to change anything to convert from .85 A/R to 1.06? Or is the only change in the turbo?
Should I stick with the .85 a/r with the super 94?

The car will not be a daily, I plan to use it mostly for 1/4 mile racing and taking it out to local car meets.

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(First bad experience with FP, I am sure it's just because he was new.)
I tried contacting FP to see if they could exchange my HTZ3586 for a Super94. As luck would have it, I got stuck with an ******* who had (and a quote) "only been working there one fking week."
He was no help, I asked him if I would be able to exchange the turbo. I was on hold for 8 mins, when he came back he said it would not be possible because the turbos do not share a frame.
I then asked if the stock location FP black used the same frame as my HTZ3586. He let out a huge sigh and rudely asked if there was anything else I wanted to ask before he went to ask the shop. When he came back he said they were not the same.
I then informed him FP had helped me out in the past when i had the same issue. I changed my stock location fp black for my current HTZ3586 what was so different about this? He began talking out of his ass, so I asked if i could speak with Amber (who was amazing to deal with in the past). He said "for what?! she is not going to tell you anything different."
I said I would call back and left him talking on the line.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:09 AM   #5
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Any idea why fp is no longer selling the HTZ3586?

6466TZ or Super94?

Extremepsi has them for

$2,649.00 - 6466TZ
$2 748.00 - Super94

Both with Tial 1.03 a/r, 6466 with the option of bronze cages.
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wrong forum......
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As stated before:
95 lb/min turbo for the street?

With turbos you can't have it both ways. Unless you get a small "street" turbo and NOS that bitch on the strip.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:10 PM   #8
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Thanks for the replys but the car will not be a daily.
I am leaning more towards the 6466tz atm, now to figure out if I want to keep it .85 or go with a 1.03 a/r
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Wrong forum? We can't talk about upgraded turbos in NASIOC?
Wrong section maybe? Can you please link me to the correct section.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:48 PM   #11
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Wrong forum? We can't talk about upgraded turbos in NASIOC?
Wrong section maybe? Can you please link me to the correct section.

just sell the car and buy a Camaro or something

if you cant figure this out.....
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:52 PM   #12
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geeeez...I wonder what forums we have here that talk about built motors and power???



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This isn't a built motor issue Scotty, enhance your calm!
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This isn't a built motor issue Scotty, enhance your calm!

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I am new to subarus / turbos, I am starting to feel as is if my build is a bit overkill for my turbo.

Darton sleeved block, port and polish competition valve job , turbo tuff rods, Gsc s3 camshafts, Cp pistons, Exedy twin disc clutch, cosworth intake, boomba tb, ets el headers, ets fmic, ets turbo kit, id2000s, twin walbro fuel pumps, Tial BoV / WG, killer b pickup, cobb tuner, TGV deletes, and a .85 HTZ 3586.
IF THIS IS NOT A BUILT MOTOR AND A BUILT MOTOR ISSUE, THEN I WILL EAT THE ****ING THING BATHED IN T6


and the PP or built motor forum would get him into the place where actual knowledge and experience with these things would get him the best help

THIS IS AN IDIOT FORUM

JUST like that idiot wanting help with a 'large overlap cam compression test' issue in the factory 2.0 forum

THAT IS THE WRONG FORUM TO ASK FOR HELP ON THAT.
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I am new to subarus / turbos, I am starting to feel as is if my build is a bit overkill for my turbo.

Darton sleeved block, port and polish competition valve job , turbo tuff rods, Gsc s3 camshafts, Cp pistons, Exedy twin disc clutch, cosworth intake, boomba tb, ets el headers, ets fmic, ets turbo kit, id2000s, twin walbro fuel pumps, Tial BoV / WG, killer b pickup, cobb tuner, TGV deletes, and a .85 HTZ 3586.

or am I crazy and the above does not qualify as a built motor
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Old 06-20-2015, 09:14 PM   #16
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just sell the car and buy a Camaro or something

if you cant figure this out.....
Dont need to sell the car, I have two 2015 5.0s and the sti. Passed up turboing one because I liked my sti so much.

Now before you run out of caps, help me out with this Scotty. Here are the two forum sections and question.
Where would you post this topic? Not everyone is a know all Subaru Guru like yourself. I for one will be the first to tell you I know nothing about the car. I joined NASIOC to learn and gather information for my 04 sti.

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Built Motor Discussion (47 Viewing)
The Built Motor Discussion forum on NASIOC deals with anything regarding "Building, Modifying, or Swapping Engine Internal Components".
(if you don't get this one, you're definitely a bolt-on-only type of guy.)
You said I should post this over at the "Built Motor Discussion" section of the forum. But if you look at the description, this section is not for anything regarding turbos. I went ahead and hit the important parts w/bold for you.

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The Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain forum on NASIOC is for technical discussion about all 2.5L FACTORY TURBOCHARGED MODELS from Subaru. Discussion will include powertrain parts & problems both stock and aftermarket.
(STI, '06+ WRX, Legacy GT, Forester XT, Baja GT)
Now this is the where I posted this topic. The turbo is in fact a part of the powertrain and the 3586 is aftermarket. Why would it not be in this section?

You should sit back and relax scotty, life is too short to live it out angry.
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:28 AM   #17
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Because nothing about what you got going on is factory powertrain. Not even close. Go to the built motor section and you'll get better results. However you need to leave the internet and talk to a professional with what you want. A huge turbo like the super 94 is going to be zero fun on the street and on the strip you will have a very narrow power band as well. What do you want in terms of power. Let's start there
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I'll be putting on a gtx4088r in a couple weeks. Now it's not the same as the 94 but is also a biggun. The 3576 only pushed 612-615 and I need about a hundred more. I'll get the boost and dyno plots hopefully weds to post. But from the test drive before replacing some parts, boost came on silly at 4k and it started running out of air at 7300... Before 4k it felt like a regular "stage" 2 sti. Smooth conservative...fast...just not silly...under 20 psi. 4k was 30 psi...

Oh... It was a .85 hot side...moving up to .99
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Because nothing about what you got going on is factory powertrain. Not even close. Go to the built motor section and you'll get better results. However you need to leave the internet and talk to a professional with what you want. A huge turbo like the super 94 is going to be zero fun on the street and on the strip you will have a very narrow power band as well. What do you want in terms of power. Let's start there
I understand I have a built motor, but I do not have an issue with my motor.

In terms of power, after all of the money I dumped into the car......I know i am wrong for this but, I am looking for numbers. At least a 700AWHP dynojet.
If the Super94 will bring me near 900, and the motor is built for it why not go for it?


I am currently selling my coated HTZ3586 (CLICK FOR LINK).
If the turbo sells, I am going with a Super94. If it doesn't sell by the time the engine builder needs a turbo to go in the car, I will keep it.
I will make up for it when building the 5.0.....forever PTE 8285 dreaming.
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I'll be putting on a gtx4088r in a couple weeks. Now it's not the same as the 94 but is also a biggun. The 3576 only pushed 612-615 and I need about a hundred more. I'll get the boost and dyno plots hopefully weds to post. But from the test drive before replacing some parts, boost came on silly at 4k and it started running out of air at 7300... Before 4k it felt like a regular "stage" 2 sti. Smooth conservative...fast...just not silly...under 20 psi. 4k was 30 psi...

Oh... It was a .85 hot side...moving up to .99
Forgive the stupid questions but, how much boost was your 3576 able to push? Could it of gone more than 30? or was 30psi as high as it could efficiently go?

What difference will the .99 hotside do for your setup?
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I understand I have a built motor, but I do not have an issue with my motor.

In terms of power, after all of the money I dumped into the car......I know i am wrong for this but, I am looking for numbers. At least a 700AWHP dynojet.
If the Super94 will bring me near 900, and the motor is built for it why not go for it?


I am currently selling my coated HTZ3586 (CLICK FOR LINK).
If the turbo sells, I am going with a Super94. If it doesn't sell by the time the engine builder needs a turbo to go in the car, I will keep it.
I will make up for it when building the 5.0.....forever PTE 8285 dreaming.
Because you have a Subaru and at 900 whp your powerband will be as narrow as my lawnmowers.

And the motor will last as long as you did the night you lost your virginity lol. And the disappointment will be as much as hers was when you were done.
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Forgive the stupid questions but, how much boost was your 3576 able to push? Could it of gone more than 30? or was 30psi as high as it could efficiently go?

What difference will the .99 hotside do for your setup?
Im in the middle of tuning my new gtx3576 rotated setup, tial housing etc. Boost comes on ~4krpm and its more of an on/off switch compared to the dom1.5 I had. This is on e85 if course. I do like launching more with this turbo...the dom1.5 was too violent down low. The 3576 comes on slowly till 4k then you better hold on lolol.
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Yeah. The 3576 hits hard. It went up to about 33 psi... But was waving up and down. Put an eboost2 on and have yet to see the new tune plots.

The .99 hot side on the 4088 will hopefully let it build boost to around 8200 rpm. My goal with the car is a 205 mph run...
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This isn't a built motor issue Scotty, enhance your calm!
im waiting for the explanation on how this isn't a built motor???

AND a built motor issue

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