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Old 02-12-2002, 10:38 AM   #1
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I just found out the H&R have a coilover set for WRX. I bet they are cheaper than DMS or M2 because they are only height adjustable. Anyone have experience with them?
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Old 02-12-2002, 12:21 PM   #2
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they are not cheaper. they are listing for $2350. i just got off the phone w/ the engineer at h&r yesterday. they sound like a very well sorted out system that's made for street and track sessions and autox events. their drop range is as follows:

F/R: 1.2-2.5 / 1.0-2.0

they feel that their dampeners do not need adjusters since they hit the optimum dampening rates for the springs that are on the system. the spring rates are spec'd for neutral handling (not a lot or next to nill understeer). this theory of non-adjustable dampeners is not a bad thing. the eibach/bilstein kit that was offered for the previous gen impreza (nonwrx) was breath taking.

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Old 02-12-2002, 12:30 PM   #3
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couple of questions...
the H&R coilovers... do they let you choose your own spring rates?
what are the spring rates?
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the spring rates are spec'd for neutral handling (not a lot or next to nill understeer).
what sizes are offered in this coilover kit?
the bilstein/eibach's were 30mm yes?
the DMS golds are 40mm... both provide a different type of ride...

i havent seen this set up yet...
just trying to learn a bit more about it.
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Old 02-12-2002, 01:28 PM   #4
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Default a little tech info on the H&R coilovers

The dampers are pre-set and valved to match the car to produce a neutral balance while still being comfortable on the street.

spring rates
450 front
400 rear.

Lowering
1.2" - 2.5" front
1.0" - 2.0" rear

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$1622.00

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Old 02-12-2002, 01:31 PM   #5
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the 2350 is the suggested retail price H&R has for it coilovers but tuners will most likely sell it for much cheaper. For example, Audi S4 coilovers suggested retail price is $1,980.00 but tuners are selling it for as low as $1250.
Thanks Luke for the added info. I will be ordering my set as soon as my custom wheels are in!!
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Old 02-12-2002, 03:39 PM   #6
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to answer your question regarding the male slider dia., per the H&R engineer i talked to, the male slider is 50mm dia.

i don't think you want to change the springs on these units since there are NO provisions to adjust the dampening (compression or rebound).

sounds like a pure tarmac set-up.

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Old 02-12-2002, 03:45 PM   #7
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450 front, 400 rear?? I have no idea how they ride, but those are some prodigious spring rates. Should be flat as a pancake. It makes sense not to have adjustability with spring rates like that. The softer settings would turn the car into a pogo stick.

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Old 02-12-2002, 07:00 PM   #8
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Yeah...450/400 seem like REALLY high spring rates. That set-up must REALLY stiffen the car up. Sounds like almost TOO stiff.
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Old 02-12-2002, 10:21 PM   #9
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whoa!!!
those spring rates will kill ya kidneys!
and no dampening adjustability?

well thanks for the info! very interesting indeed!
may be good for a track car...
but no-way-n-ell- i'd put those on a street car...

OUCH!
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Old 02-12-2002, 10:25 PM   #10
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yeah, i think 2 kidney belts are included in the kit as well as surgeon general warning stickers to post on your windows

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Old 02-13-2002, 05:56 AM   #11
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450 and 400?

That sounds about right, all J-spec coilovers are around that range. My zeals are 448 f 336 r, although the rear seems a bit stiff. Im sure H&R valved them suitably enough for daily driving. If its done correctly then the ride wont be as bad as you think.

Cusco Zero-1's which are not dampening adjustable with 448 336 rates are just fine not that stiff (honestly), i mean unless your used to dms spring rates.

Looks like a nice setup, someone should get a review on here asap!

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Old 02-13-2002, 06:29 AM   #12
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I have spring sets in the following F/R rates for my DMS 50mm (GTP valving) : 650/550, 340/275, and 250/175. I have found that I like the 340/275s for fast tarmac work.

The light set are just too soft although they would make for a very fast "civilised" ride.

The 650/550 set are extremely stiiff, although the suspension is still stichion free with outstanding small bump compliance given the rates. They only ever get used for track work.

Generally most folks who ride in the car with the 340/275s comment on the stiffness. I have ahd folks ask if the tyres are made out of wood! Given the side wall contruction of Dunlop D01Js and the fact that they are run at 39/35psi on the street it can be forgiven I guess.

Considering the low interal pressure of the DMS 50s and the resultant super low stichion, I would think that for 98% of people would find the 450/400 combo WAY too stiff.

I would recommend 275/225 as being ideal for most sport driving.

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Old 02-13-2002, 09:39 AM   #13
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I will post a review as soon as I get my hands on a set
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Old 02-13-2002, 04:57 PM   #14
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Default i've had h&r on several cars

and their ride is very supple. they manage to get the spring and damping rates well matched so that the ride quality is very acceptable. had this option been available sooner, i would have chosen the h&rs again as i have been very pleased with both the units and roland's support at h&r.

i wouldn't worry about the spring rates if those numbers were correct as a correctly matched set can ride better than a soft spring/hard damping setup.

i've got the m2 dms golds now and they are stiffer but seem to be working out so far. i've got some spring rate changes to make to see if the car can work better on the tarmac and that should be happening in the next month or so.
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Old 02-13-2002, 07:36 PM   #15
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Default I would not hesitate with H&R's

They make excellent products. Had H&R coilovers on my 996 C2 Cab. Awesome product, very little tradeoff in ride considering the handling improvement, turning a GT car into a real sports car. Unfortunately, they are like $5k for a 996 C4 (same setup as a 996TT, with a few extras through Gemballa), so I'm left stock now on my C4, except for GT3 sway bars.

I have the Cusco Zero-1's on my Rex and they are quite bouncy, though I have started getting used to them finally. But if the H&R's were available at the time I would definitely put my faith in them. Can't mess with German engineers.
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Old 02-13-2002, 08:03 PM   #16
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I'm somewhat intrigued.

Although I constantly go back and forth about whether or not I should go fully adjustable.
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Old 02-13-2002, 09:19 PM   #17
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good point Joe Li. my friend had H&R co's on civic si some time ago and the car rode quite well. i don't know what rates they had on that system, but, if i didn't know the rates that H&R is prescribing for these co's, then, i'd probably purchase them. but them rates are mighty high. i guess their shocks have some pretty high internal rebound valving settings to cope with those springs.

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Old 02-13-2002, 09:54 PM   #18
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Hey Luke, do they include top hats? If not were these desinged to use the stock mounts or do they require 3rd party mounts? I know the stockers are a bit soft. Thanks!

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I just opened a set up in the warehouse and they are straight bolt on and go. A very good looking product to say the least.
If you are wondering the springs are red in color and the body is sort of gold in color.

only a few sets left in-stock at this time

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Old 02-14-2002, 11:15 AM   #20
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Ummm.....that didn't answer the question. Do H&R's normally come with top hats?
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Old 02-14-2002, 11:36 AM   #21
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nope, at least on Audis and VWs so I am assuming no top hats for those. I will probably get the STI top hats when I get these.
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Old 02-14-2002, 01:19 PM   #22
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Regarding H&R coilovers and their high spring rates, European car periodically does articles on them. June 2000 has a really good article about H&R coilovers, very in depth.

Here's a pretty decent one: http://www.europeancarweb.com/tech/0401tech1.shtml

The one on the Passat in June 2000 is even better though it looks like the above borrowed some of the INFO from the Passat article.

There is also a small bit in a newer issue on them. Mid-Late 2001.
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