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Old 03-08-2008, 03:37 PM   #1
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The new Kenwood DNX 8120 will be out in the next week so I will get to play with that in the store, but I havn't found any stores with the Eclipse AVN 6620 which has been out for a couple of months. I played around with an AVN 5510 in the store; can anyone comment on differences between the 5510 and 6620?

I'm leaning towards the Kenwood unit right now since it is $1500 at my local shop and includes Bluetooth (7120 is $1400 without Bluetooth). The AVN 6620 is $1200 on Crutchfield, but doesn't include a Bluetooth unit.

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1. Differences between the 5510 and 6620 for those of you have have used a 6620?

2. Love the nav GUI in our RX330, which is what the Eclipse unit uses; how do people like the Garmin navi which the Kenwood uses? (Eclipse = dvd based nav, Kenwood = hard drive based navi)

3. Ipod interface - I have had a hard time finding screen shots of the eclipse's; does it show album artwork?
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Old 03-08-2008, 07:21 PM   #2
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About the only thing I can comment on is the Garmin Software. I have the KNA-G510 paired with an older DDX8017 DVD touchscreen and I've been very happy with the operation of the GPS system. Can't say I've had too much experience with other car based gps, my experience is with various Garmin handheld GPS's... but I've not ran into any instances where the Kenwood/Garmin combo let me down. Mine did have a few software glitches, but mine was one of the first generation G510's sold, and subsequent software patches distributed by Garmin eliminated those issues.

Given that I want the high speed Ipod interconnect and BlueToof capability, I've been waiting for Kenwood to come out with a multimedia unit that also does Dolby 5.1/DTS since I run a multichannel system. Most likely I'll be going with the DDX812 which is a less expensive varient of the 8120 that uses the outboard GPS system I already have.

I just wish Kenwood didn't do BLUE!! My dash is gonna look like a @$$%!! rainbow unless I re-color the accy dash lighting... I'm hoping the unit is dual illumination like my 8017. And I'm also hoping the unit doesn't have internal power.... who uses them stupid onboard amps anyways??

Unfortunately I've seen very little information published about the new Kenwood models, even the info on kenwoodusa.com is lacking....
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Old 03-08-2008, 08:09 PM   #3
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I have the Kenwood DNX7100 and I love it... the Garmin unit is fantastic... I havent found an error yet with any of the maps or info. Its incredibly fast as well... I havent come across the time yet where having the hard drive based unit instead of a DVD was beneficial. For me the DNX7100 is basically a nice fitting dual din Sirius HU with the Garmin. I dont listen to CDs hardly ever nor watch DVDs so I guess I dont really use all the features I can. The Ipod interface is great as well.

I keep debating on buying the additional Bluetooth for it but at its 200 price tag I need to know that it wont be garbage sounding
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Old 03-08-2008, 10:47 PM   #4
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http://blog.sounddomain.com/gadget/2...ds-new-ki.html

http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entert...gation/DNX8120

It appears to have 5 volt preouts, bluetooth, DTS 5.1, not sure but luck has it an internal amp will be there.
It's this or the alpine w505 for me. The kenwood has the fact that it will be out much earlier than the Alpine unit.
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:44 PM   #5
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thanks for the sounddomain link... a little more info there...

Be really nice if Kenwood thought to include an internal amp defeat/bypass like Clarion for those of us who don't use em...
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:01 AM   #6
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i was also previously considering the IVA W505 but the unit will be $1000 and then the blackbird II would be an additional 700, and while I currently have an Alpine deck and know they make good stuff, I'm guessing there are quirks with having a docked based unit, especially with features like bluetooth.

i think the AVN 6620 doesn't show cover art for ipod music, the kenwood does.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:32 PM   #7
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:51 AM   #8
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about 2 weeks ago my shop said all 3 units were backordered and would be in in about a month (a week or two from now).

Sounds like Bluetooth is a $150 option, so for $1500 the 8120 should be a bargain, if the GUI is fast and user friendly (which it should be).
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:57 PM   #9
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There's an authorized Kenwood dealer on 350zforums selling it for a lot less. PM him.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:35 PM   #10
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you have a name for us on the 350Z forum and what the name of the forum is?
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:04 PM   #11
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x2 on the name...I'll buy one.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:27 AM   #12
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www.my350z.com check the audio/video forum - there is a post on this.
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Old 04-16-2008, 06:18 PM   #13
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Old 04-16-2008, 07:23 PM   #14
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Here are your basic differences in the navigation:

Kenwood outsourced their navigation engine and operation to Garmin which is a PND level navigation. This is an "inexpensive" (low level) approach to navigation, but the US market accepts it. Their unit runs on memory, not a hard drive.

Eclipse outsourced their navigation engine and operation to Denso which is an automotive or OEM level navigation. This is the "expensive" (high level) approach to navigation, which is the only acceptable method in Japan (but American consumers don't usually understand). Their unit runs on a high speed DVD ROM.

The Eclipse unit is made to OEM standards. Eclipse is a brand owned by Fujitsu Ten which is the tier one supplier to Toyota. Denso navigation is also found in brands like Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover.

The Kenwood unit is not a tier one supplier to anyone and does not OEM work for car manufacturers. This means a lot for quality and design specifications.

I have a DNX5120 that I am playing with now in my WRX and think its actually pretty nice for a 1000 msrp. I have the Bluetooth and iPod video cable with it and the Bluetooth sound quality is kinda meh... the iPod operation is nice and fast, but the album art looks like poop.

I previously had Eclipse units like the 6610, I would say it's overall quality is nicer.

The American market has a problem that most people don't understand navigation. The AV portion is pretty close. The build quality and component quality is where you find lots of cost differences. You get what you pay for.
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Thanks for the info. I bought the 6620.... kenwood is taking to long to release the 8120.
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I just installed my AVN 6620 last night and i love it. Dual DVD, Sirius, Parrot BT, phenomenal clarity out of a nav unit and obviously Eclipse quality...
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I am anticipating the DNX 8120 I got on order.
I got it on the preorder group buy over on my350z.com.

Kenwood delayed it though to a last minute firmware update to fix some touch screen issues with the first batch.
They flew over a tech from Japan to the US Kenwood facilities to apply the emergency firmware fix to all U.S. shipped units asking all vendors who received units to ship back to Kenwood usa for the work to be done.

They are supposedly en route to the vendor now and will be shipped to us shortly after.
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I just installed my AVN 6620 last night and i love it. Dual DVD, Sirius, Parrot BT, phenomenal clarity out of a nav unit and obviously Eclipse quality...
Great setup! Hows the BT? I heard so-so things. Where did buy the Sat Radio module? I'm anticipating something else when SirXM merge.



DNx8120 is great... but AVN6620 is like 400-500 cheaper with the same features. I know I don't even max the features...
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the bt is ok, the parrot module acts kind of funny . . . so i might just swap it for a 3200 parrot or something, who knows, i only paid 25 bucks for it anyway. I picked up the Sirius Eclipse tuner from Eclipse (where i got everything else, too), and picked up the DEI SCC1 from CC. I love the unit, it fits perfect, sits really nicely in the dash (i had a JVC KW-AVX800 before that was also awesome, just non-nav). The dark grey really compliments my plasti-dipped dash as well ill take pictures if anyone wants any
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:58 PM   #21
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I am debating the purchase between the two right now. Crutchfield has the 6620 for $999 and they throw in a free BT module. So with the iPod adapter, it would be like $1049. I can't seem to find any reason to play $500 more for the Kenwood. Can anyone else give me a reason? Better screen or something?
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:02 PM   #22
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The Eclipse is limited in DSP ability... no dolby, no Time alignment, and less EQ'ing....
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:34 PM   #23
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Cool, thanks for the info. I need to do some more research to see if those things would be missed. I just plan to run Focal Access (unless they are bad?) front components with a decent amp and maybe a sub later in life.
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