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Old 03-13-2008, 10:17 AM   #1
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Default 3/29 Saturday night TSD rally, starting in Mount Kisco NY

http://wscc.org/flyers/2008BunnyRunRallyFlyer.pdf

TimeSpeedDistance NIGHT rally on Saturday, 3/29. Registration from 5 to 6:15, drivers meeting at 6:30, first car off at 7pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Rally computers, GPS systems, and lights above headlight level not allowed. Trophys for the winners of each class.

What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.

So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an ass and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:17 PM   #2
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i wanna do this but what does this mean "CARS WITH "COMPUTER" or “NAVIGATION SYSTEMS” WILL BE
INELIGIBLE FOR OFFICIAL RESULTS RANKING."


does that mean if i have a nav i cant win a trophy?
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:03 PM   #3
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y would you want to use it, takes the whole fun out of it
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Old 03-13-2008, 08:34 PM   #4
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i think i will be doing this, could be alot of fun, or get me really pissed off
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:16 AM   #5
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There are hand held rally computers made just to calculate your speed and turns in a TSD rally, some of which have GPS and navi. Thats what they're trying to ban. You're also not allowed to use hand held or "stick on the windshield" GPS systems you can buy in a store either, but since so many cars have it in-dash, the in-dash ones cannot be banned. Those are just banned because so many people try to use them and it only makes the rally so much harder.

Using a "store" GPS would kill you in a TSD rally. The rally instructions are written so a GPS would not only not help you it would screw you up more. The names of streets are almost never in the rally instructions. The roads the rallys goes on are backroads that are not on all GPS maps, and you're doing instructions like "make the 5th left turn possible". Sometimes the instructions might be "make first acute right turn after you pass a green wagon wheel" or something like that. Since dead ends or "no through traffic" or "no left turn" signs all count, and you cant tell how sharp turns are on a GPS, if you had a road GPS you'd never make the correct turn in those examples. I've seen quite a few cars try and use one, and most of them didnt even finish the rally much less get anywhere near a score to get a trophy.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:42 AM   #6
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There are hand held rally computers made just to calculate your speed and turns in a TSD rally, some of which have GPS and navi. Thats what they're trying to ban. You're also not allowed to use hand held or "stick on the windshield" GPS systems you can buy in a store either, but since so many cars have it in-dash, the in-dash ones cannot be banned. Those are just banned because so many people try to use them and it only makes the rally so much harder.

Using a "store" GPS would kill you in a TSD rally. The rally instructions are written so a GPS would not only not help you it would screw you up more. The names of streets are almost never in the rally instructions. The roads the rallys goes on are backroads that are not on all GPS maps, and you're doing instructions like "make the 5th left turn possible". Sometimes the instructions might be "make first acute right turn after you pass a green wagon wheel" or something like that. Since dead ends or "no through traffic" or "no left turn" signs all count, and you cant tell how sharp turns are on a GPS, if you had a road GPS you'd never make the correct turn in those examples. I've seen quite a few cars try and use one, and most of them didnt even finish the rally much less get anywhere near a score to get a trophy.
i wouldn't plan to use it its just i have an in dash nav in my car and wasn't sure if it being there would cause me to not qualify for a trophy
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:24 AM   #7
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I just want to make sure before I start asking my friends, can we have more than 2 people in the car? If anything me and my friends would pile into my car and do it.
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Old 03-14-2008, 11:52 AM   #8
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You can have as many people in the car as you can fit and run the rally. However they add points (and lowest points are best) for each person. Basically once you have a third person, you're out of the running for any of the trophy classes. Sometimes the rallymaster will have a seperate class called "family class" that has its own trophy for more than 2 people cars, but I think they only do that if theres 4 or 5 or more cars that show up running that way. If you want, I can email the person who wrote this rally (the rallymaster) and ask him if he plans on having that class.

But if this is your first rally, I seriously doubt you have much chance for a trophy. You should just see if you can make it to all the checkpoints before they close. WSCC has very hard directions and a lot of cars never make it to the last checkpoint without giving up (usually half the novices dont even finish). I think I didnt even make it to every checkpoint on my first four rallys. Then three years later in 2006 I won WSCC's championship for the year (best score in four rallys). So forget about a trophy, just do it and have fun and make sure you finish.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:23 PM   #9
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I'll either be in a white Talon, a silver Spyder, or a yellow WRX. I might also be doing the novice drivers meeting if the rallymaster asks me to do one. Come say hello if you're going.
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