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Old 03-22-2008, 11:11 PM   #26
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Again, based on what I have seen here, you are wasting your money and risking your practically irreplaceable heads if you have that guy cut the seats. Put if back together the way it came apart and you will be fine. That is, assuming that you kept track of which bucket and shim went to which valve upon disassembly...
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:29 PM   #27
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No, actually I just threw them all into a bucket and shook it around. But that was after I sand blasted them with some black beauty and then used them for target practice. (lol, j/k matt)





..but thanks for the input on the heads, I really don't want to risk damaging them. Probably safer to just put them back together oem, at least doing it myself I will be sure nothing is damaged.
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Old 03-23-2008, 03:30 PM   #28
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Decided to clean some of the extra casting to help oil flow back to the pan a little.

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Now I'm going to go pressure wash the block, there is still silicone here and there and some carbon the shop missed. I also noticed this little nick (that wasn't there before the shop hot tanked it) but I'm not going back and fussing over it, I can dress it myself and it will be fine.




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Old 03-23-2008, 06:31 PM   #29
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The ones that came with it (stock)
Why not take advantage of tearing down the block and use some forged pistons and some much better bearings in the reassembly?
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Old 03-23-2008, 06:39 PM   #30
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Why not take advantage of tearing down the block and use some forged pistons and some much better bearings in the reassembly?

I've got acl bearings on the way and the pistons should be fine, just have to clean them a little more. I've got one of those gallons with carb cleaner and a strainer and I'll be soaking the pistons, and maybe some other small parts in there.

first cleaning attempt with degreaser and plastic brush


after using the carb cleaner bucket


Update: These came in today


Does anyone know if marking the pistons with a permanent marker pen will hurt them? Seems like they are just a solvent with some harmless ink but I wanted to be sure. I plan on marking them after cleaning to make sure I don't mix them up. I plan on doing the same with the rods if the markers don't have some weird chemical that causes issues.

here's the poor oil gunked turbo compressor side


then after a little degreaser and some soft brushes


the compressor wheel all clean


I'm going to use fujibond adhesive or permatex ultra grey to seal the housing back together. Don't want any air leaks.

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Old 04-01-2008, 11:12 AM   #31
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Well the headgaskets finally came in and... they're the wrong ones. I ordered the .051"/1.3mm and got the .040" so I contacted the seller. I noticed another seller has the .054" which is actually 1.37mm and supposedly the actual correct thickness. Should I go for the .054"? I may end up getting the block surfaced so it will probably be more critical to not have a thinner gasket. Any opinions on this?


Also, will the clutches for the 02-05 wrx's bolt up correctly and work with the 94 to 01 imprezas? I'm using a 96L 5 speed with cable clutch and although it may shave some gears, I want to be sure the clutch will fit correctly before I order it. I'm going to have to take some vacation time and may have to rent a car if I can't find a cheap moped local. Here's the clutch, says it fits 02-05 wrx models:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-RA...spagenameZWD1V

Small update: I checked the tracking number for my second set of headgaskets and it says they were delivered. I'm crossing my fingers my good neighbor scooped them up, there are some really unsavory people around here...

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Old 04-07-2008, 08:37 PM   #32
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Also, will the clutches for the 02-05 wrx's bolt up correctly and work with the 94 to 01 imprezas? I'm using a 96L 5 speed with cable clutch and although it may shave some gears, I want to be sure the clutch will fit correctly before I order it. I'm going to have to take some vacation time and may have to rent a car if I can't find a cheap moped local. Here's the clutch, says it fits 02-05 wrx models:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-RA...spagenameZWD1V

Small update: I checked the tracking number for my second set of headgaskets and it says they were delivered. I'm crossing my fingers my good neighbor scooped them up, there are some really unsavory people around here...
No the wrx clutch wont work if you are using the L tranny. You will need a PUSH type clutch(wrx/sti tranny uses a pull type), anything designed for non-turbo subarus will work.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:27 PM   #33
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Another lame update. Well the post office said a new carrier was delivering in my area and she forgot to put the key in my box for the larger package boxes. That was great news, and luckily (but not really) the gasket (1) was there when I got home. Even though I specifically emailed the seller before buying and asked: "Is this price for the gasket pair or just one?" and he replied "it is for both sides, the pair" he STILL sent me only one gasket. And the auction stated they were .054" gaskets (1.37mm), the perfect size I needed. The one that came is a .051" AND it has been previously removed from the package, there are some smudges and some grime around one of the rivets. I really think someone took it out and test fitted it and then put it back in the package, they apparently didn't think to clean it too well. Wow, this is sucking. I can't believe I've had such bad luck with two different sellers in a row. Almost like this engine is cursed and not meant to go into my car, lol. I emailed the guy today when I got home so hopefully he can rectify the situation. I'm willing to bet he's going to say the ..054" in the auction was a misprint. But he'd damn well better offer to send two NEW unopened gaskets at least. I guess I'll just spend some extra time making sure the other motor parts are ready to go, it can't hurt to check over things again.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:33 PM   #34
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No the wrx clutch wont work if you are using the L tranny. You will need a PUSH type clutch(wrx/sti tranny uses a pull type), anything designed for non-turbo subarus will work.
That's weird. Someone actually told me a while back the 02 wrx clutch kits would work, so I thought maybe up to 05 at least. Is there some kind of difference in distance from the clutch basket to the clutch fork? I need to do more research. I found another kit and it states 96 to 06, it seems they pick random year ranges, unless they were all hydraulic after 96 (mine is cable). I might just have to convert over to hydraulic for the better clutch kit selection but the cable is just so easy to maintain.. hmm. Here's another kit

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-H...spagenameZWDVW
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:38 PM   #35
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Quit shopping on ebay and you won't have all these problems.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:47 PM   #36
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Quit shopping on ebay and you won't have all these problems.
I'm not having "all these problems", just the issue with the headgaskets. I really have no issue with buying there, I've had many great transactions with sellers and buyers. The reason I'm giving ebay links to clutches because I'm trying to research which type will fit. If you're just messing with me a little that's fine, but if you're trying to be sarcastic please keep it out of this thread. Thanks
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You can convert from push to pull style.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:56 PM   #38
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... no you can't
the pivot point is not present in the push tranny casting

get the ACT street clutch .. the pull clutch is totally unusable with an L tranny
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Is there a good thread that explains the difference in the two types? I've been searching but haven't found one that combines the topics yet. I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression the differences in the two had to do with a swap of a slave cylinder and a different clutch fork. I have noticed with pics of some newer wrx transmissions the fork has a wide pivot on a pin and the older type (mine for example) has a skinny fork that has the ball type pivot. It seems they both "push" the clutch springs though.. that's probably why I'm having a hard time putting things together.
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... no you can't
the pivot point is not present in the push tranny casting

get the ACT street clutch .. the pull clutch is totally unusable with an L tranny

There are a lot of clutches available that convert from pull to push. Sorry I mis-stated that. I wasn't sure about going the other way.
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I know its not an ACT but should this fit correctly?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-RA...spagenameZWDVW

I am also thinking of using this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-X...spagenameZWDVW

Or maybe just a new oem type

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-...spagenameZWDVW

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Old 04-12-2008, 07:09 PM   #43
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Well apparently if you are a seller on ebay you have the right to stiff a buyer out of shipping twice and then request the paypal fee as well. The second gasket (that was supposed to be a pair) was sent back to the seller because he stated he didn't have them in stock to send a new set. I told him I'd send the gasket back for a refund if that was alright, because I'm anxious to get the correct gaskets asap. Ebay sends and unpaid item dispute message that only has two choices

-agree to cancel the tranaction and pay the seller's paypal fee

-disagree to cancel the transaction... etc

Well the seller has already refunded the price of the gasket (that was supposed to be a pair) but they kept the $10 for shipping. And they want to get their paypal fee back? I could understand meeting halfway, but it was THEIR mistake sending only one gasket, and the package was opened. The package also stated it was a wiseco gasket but I don't suppose that matters. I did take a few pics of the wiseco package and label, and of the shipping label that stated it weighed only 5 ounces. You can probably see the greasy smudges and the left end that is completely opened, although he said they were new and unopened.

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I know its not an ACT but should this fit correctly?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-RA...spagenameZWDVW

I am also thinking of using this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-X...spagenameZWDVW

Or maybe just a new oem type

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-...spagenameZWDVW
1 yes but don't go too stiff it will explode your tranny the act street is the way to go
2 yes
3 no it is not strong enough
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1 yes but don't go too stiff it will explode your tranny the act street is the way to go
2 yes
3 no it is not strong enough

1- my tranny will probably assplode before I get a chance to learn how to shift with the new engine, this generic clutch is supposed to be about 280 ft lbs, really close to the engine's rating
2-definately looks nice (if that's the actual picture) and has a decent price too
3-why would this be "not strong enough"? What flywheel and clutch combo did the original ej20k cars come with? I'm curious to find if the oem equivalent is available in the US



I've checked the ACT site over and the flywheels for the 02 and up wrx's are different than anything 2001 and down. That would seem to indicate they can't be interchanged but I thought I read somewhere the flywheels for some of the older imprezas and the 02-05 wrx were interchangeable. I'm trying to find a steel alloy flywheel that's lighter than stock but only by maybe four or five lbs.

I finally got the refunds for the gaskets over with (although one guy still wants the paypal fee and to keep shipping) but now I can't find the oem metal ones. I've searched greddy, hks, and some other sites as well. I was told by someone here that greddy and hks had the gaskets, but only greddy does, and they are $350 for the pair. I really doubt they are THAT good. Now I'm back to square one in my search for gaskets. I really don't want to be pulling the heads again because of some tiny oil/coolant leak. Ughh

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Old 04-16-2008, 01:32 AM   #46
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match the flywheel to the transmission you are using. The ACT is a great choice as well as their Streetlite flywheel.
Im a BIG fan of the Exedy flywheel

Now, the trans will go.. if you actually "drive" the car, it will break so be prepared

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if your using your stock tranny then you need a push clutch
the stock push is rated for ~175 hp .. a stock ej20k is a pull (which is not compatible with your transmission) rated for 300 hp or more

the act street push for 93-01 is what you want
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if your using your stock tranny then you need a push clutch
the stock push is rated for ~175 hp .. a stock ej20k is a pull (which is not compatible with your transmission) rated for 300 hp or more

the act street push for 93-01 is what you want
listen to this guy. when i booted up my swap for the first time with a generic clutch rated well over my hp level, it wouldn't hold in 3rd, 4th, or 5th gear. total joke. car went right back in the garage for a tougher clutch.
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listen to this guy. when i booted up my swap for the first time with a generic clutch rated well over my hp level, it wouldn't hold in 3rd, 4th, or 5th gear. total joke. car went right back in the garage for a tougher clutch.

He still didn't answer why the second flywheel wasn't "strong enough" though. I'm pretty sure they didn't use an act streetlite flywheel stock so I'm wondering which flywheel type it was. I just don't want to be buying a flywheel for twice the price when I don't really need it to be 14lbs.
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seems to be a bit of confusion

assuming your using your stock tranny
you need a push style flywheel .. be it the one that was on your stock engine or a lightweight push style

a wrx pull won't work

and the confusion a stock oem push clutch won't hold ... an oem flywheel is fine just have your stocker resurfaced for $25

don't buy a cheapie clutch.. to too much of a pain in the ass to change when it dosn't work
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