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Old 03-15-2008, 08:33 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U What is a Stage 2 or Stage whatever package?

Staged performance packages are SALES packages for specific companies. Company A's Stage 2 is Company B's Stage 3, so there is no such thing as a universal truth when it comes to Stages. Stages were designed as a sales package so someone does one stop shopping and they get a discount. Kind of like a #4 at McDonalds...everything for lunch + you save 30 cents.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, here is what the various stages are:

Stage 0 = engine management alone
Stage 1 = engine management alone
Stage 2 = turboback exhaust + engine management
Stage 2+ = stage 2 + a few other bolt ons
Stage 4 = small bolt on turbo + fueling + turboback exhaust + engine management
Stage 5 = anything above stage 4

While these are generalizations, DO NOT fall into the trap of labeling your car as a "Stage X" and expect people to magically know what you are talking about. Post specifics such as "I have a Cobb Stage 2" or "I have a TurboXS Stage 4", or better yet...forget stages and post 100% of your mods.

And for purchasing, stages are fine and dandy and easy. But, a careful shopper can get the same performance by buying used or piecemeal vs. buying from a staged package. Just decide which is more valuable to you...time spend bargain hunting or the ease of a staged package.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:24 PM   #2
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:50 PM   #3
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i think this finally needed to be done.
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Old 03-16-2008, 02:59 PM   #4
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Good little write up.


I need to order off the dollar menu for my upgrades...
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:23 PM   #5
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:50 PM   #6
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Good little write up.


I need to order off the dollar menu for my upgrades...
Better than picking out of the trash behind the restaurant!
But really, there is no substitute for listing all your mods, so people know what you are talking about.
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:45 PM   #7
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great little writeup. I will continue to ponder the masses with my stage 2.314, and NO i will not post a full mod list haha jk.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:55 AM   #8
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glad we got that cleared up.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:59 PM   #9
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uh, what about up pipes and down pipes?
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:13 PM   #10
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Also, Cobb does not define a Stage 2 as requiring a TBE. Only a downpipe is needed..
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Old 03-23-2008, 06:18 PM   #11
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Please people....we are talking generalities....we do not need to hit every stage spec...
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:40 AM   #12
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seriously! The whole point is, "stage x or y or whatever" are very general terms. I'm "stage2" but with a lot of other little bits (some not so little, PPG's ) so while I can give some one SOME indication of where I am in my build by saying "stage2" it is all very relative.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:54 PM   #13
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The first time I saw "staged" packages for the WRX was from TurboXS. I believe they get credit for the current vernacular (for better or worse).

They had the following (not including supporting mods) back in '01:
Stage 1: EM
Stage 2: TBE + EM
Stage 3: TBE + EM + IC
Stage 4: TBE + EM + IC + Turbo

Amazingly, each stage cost around $800 - $1000. How did they do that?

Vishnu came out with a similar staged program, but subtracted one to start with "Stage 0". It never really caught on. People just like bigger numbers, I guess.

When people started to add pulleys and intakes and other things after they had a stage 2, it generally got lumped into "Stage 2.5" or "Stage 2+" using the TXS system.
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Also, Cobb does not define a Stage 2 as requiring a TBE. Only a downpipe is needed..
Cobb didn't set the stage standard, TurboXS did. And that's whats listed.
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Cobb didn't set the stage standard, TurboXS did. And that's whats listed.
there is no standard, jump off the wagon, just because you see the og guy post it doesn't mean your "cool" for tagging along
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:44 AM   #17
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Personally I believe the "stage" idea would only be useful if it was infact a universal or semi-universal term. I.E. stage 2 = TBE +/- a mod. I feel people just say their stage w/e because they can...

<---But then again i'm stage 47, so I have the NASA space shuttle strapped to my roof.
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:29 AM   #18
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:05 PM   #19
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nice write up!
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there is no standard, jump off the wagon, just because you see the og guy post it doesn't mean your "cool" for tagging along
Stupid kids.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:51 PM   #21
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there is no standard, jump off the wagon, just because you see the og guy post it doesn't mean your "cool" for tagging along

Actually there is.

A "standard" in this case is what is GENERALLY accepted. In other words, if almost everyone refers to a certain criteria as fitting a certain description, there you have it.

A "Stage 2" is generally accepted to be a turbo back and engine management.



Really "stages" are idiotic. Some stage 2 setups are BIG, including a turbo upgrade, injectors all of that. Others are only EM and a tbe, others yet are EM+up pipe+tbe.

but em and tbe is most definately the "standard" stage 2.


I call my stages things like this

Stage fecal
Stage apple
Stage horsey
And the uber power
STAGE (capitols make it biggar!)
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Actually there is.

A "standard" in this case is what is GENERALLY accepted. In other words, if almost everyone refers to a certain criteria as fitting a certain description, there you have it.

A "Stage 2" is generally accepted to be a turbo back and engine management.



Really "stages" are idiotic. Some stage 2 setups are BIG, including a turbo upgrade, injectors all of that. Others are only EM and a tbe, others yet are EM+up pipe+tbe.

but em and tbe is most definately the "standard" stage 2.


I call my stages things like this

Stage fecal
Stage apple
Stage horsey
And the uber power
STAGE (capitols make it biggar!)
weak!!
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weak!!
It might be weak, but very true
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Question ok just wondering

ok I am thinking of getting a 08 wrx (5-door) now if i get just a catback and a k&n Panel filter would i.... 1. need engine management Ie. Acessport? or just bolt it up and keep going? thank you for your time
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