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Old 03-17-2008, 08:25 PM   #1
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That Subaru R1e caught driving the streets of Manhattan over the weekend foreshadows the expansion the car's field-test program to the United States. Subaru is expected to make a formal announcement within the next hour or so, but we can preview it for you here now. The New York Power Authority (NYPA) will receive two R1e vehicles to pilot in the same way the cars are being used in Japan.

To recap, the R1e is a full-EV version of the Japan-market R1 microcar. Driven by a 40 kW motor powered by a Li-Ion battery pack, the R1e is being field-tested by employees of both the Tokyo Electric Power Comany and NEC Lamilion Energy, Limited. The Japanese government lauded this effort last year. There are currently forty of the cars in service in Japan and Subaru hopes to bump that number to one hundred. When connected to a quick-charger station that's also part of the pilot testing, an 80% charge can be achieved in just 15 minutes. When plugged into a standard household outlet, the car will fully recharge in 8 hours or so. Operating range, according to Subaru, is 50 miles and the car boasts a top speed of 65 miles per hour.

The R1e will be on display at the 2008 New York Auto Show starting this weekend, and we'll update this post with Subaru and NYPA's formal announcement as soon as it hits the wires.

UPDATE: Official Subaru announcement has been added after the jump.


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SUBARU TO EVALUATE QUICK CHARGE ELECTRIC CAR

WITH NEW YORK POWER AUTHORITY

What: Subaru of America, Inc. will Subaru will begin evaluating its R1e electric vehicle (EV) in the United States this summer in conjunction with the New York Power Authority (NYPA). The plan will be officially announced at Thursday, March 20th at 12:30 PM at the New York International Auto Show.

Subaru will provide two Subaru R1e electric cars to NYPA for evaluation. The Subaru R1e will be on display at the New York International Auto Show, from March 21-30 at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in New York City.

The Subaru R1e employs state-of-the-art, fast-charge lithium ion battery technology that eliminates typical lithium ion battery issues of charge memory loss, allowing partial charges and quick charges that do not decrease battery life. The two-seat Subaru R1e is capable of driving at speeds up to 65 mph with a range of up to 50 miles, making it an ideal urban commuter. The Subaru R1e can be "quick-charged" to 80 percent capacity in only 15 minutes using quick-charge technology.

A typical charge cost less than $2 dollars. The vehicle can be fully charged overnight (eight hours) while connected to a standard household electrical outlet. The R1e uses an AC permanent magnet synchronized motor producing 40 kW. The new lithium ion batteries are also designed in layers that allow for simple recycling at the end of their 10 year life.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:26 PM   #2
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Bring 'em on!
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:37 PM   #3
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if i lived in NYC i wouldn't need a car to get around
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:23 PM   #4
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but if you were a city worker its a great car to drive to different locations.
The DEP already have fleets of Ford Escape Hybrids and Toyota Prius
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Sweet!

no one is even looking at it though. lol
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:36 PM   #6
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so it goes 50miles max range, and 65mph max? i'll guarantee thats not 50miles at 65mph. so at 65mpg, it probably only gets, say, 25 or 30miles. for $2 a charge? Thats not much better than my STi at 65 (or faster). And my STi is a fuel sucking pig.

All electric cars do is move emissions from your tail pipe to a coal plant smokestack somewhere. I'm not sold, sorry. Maybe when we create a power plant that will get more than 50mpg (or equivilent cost) like lots of little gas IC engines do now.
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^ umm renewable energy? Hydro Wind Geothermal Solar? Its here now.

Could you image if every Subaru Dealership had a charging station that got some, if not all of its power, from renewable energy? Talk about instant energy infrastructure. That would be cutting edge and put Subaru on the map for sure. It is very doable.

They could make it a requirement to sell the car. You have to have a changing station for it that runs off renewable energy. Pure genius.

Now image 25 years down the line where every car dealer for every manufacturer does the same thing. It could happen. Think big in small ways.

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Old 03-17-2008, 11:01 PM   #8
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FWIW, a company called "Project Better Place" is building a quick-charging infrastructure in Israel. Their plan is to have a network of 500,000 quick-charge points. Renault will begin supply cars to the market in 2010. It seems that Israel would rather send money to the French (for reactors and cars) than the arabs (for oil). Go figure. Electric cars will also get very generous tax breaks.

There's a lot more to electric vehicles than the cars themselves. There are massive implications on world currency and commodity flows.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:06 PM   #9
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Smart ED (electric drive) can do 70 miles on one charge. Subaru needs to release their concept electric car that is suppose to do over 100 miles per charge.

Fifth Gear test of the Smart ED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1p2FPRZRLI
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:10 PM   #10
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so why do I keep hearing that Li-Ion batteries are not possible yet from the other auto manufacturers?
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Since I live less than 15 miles from work, this car would be a good daily driver for me. If I could afford one, I'd get it.
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so why do I keep hearing that Li-Ion batteries are not possible yet from the other auto manufacturers?
I believe they're just speaking price wise, as in Lithium Ions are not currently economically viable even though this is where they believe battery technology should be going. Subaru isn't selling these to Joe public yet either because they probably wouldn't make a profit. It is also good to note that FHI in partnership with NEC had advanced the Lithium Ion technology quite a bit before they dissolved their joint venture. I believe, though I do not know for sure, that they are still working together, but just dissolved the company they made. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006...d_fuji_he.html
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Fantastic news! Another step closer to getting an electric Subie in my garage.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:59 AM   #14
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All electric cars do is move emissions from your tail pipe to a coal plant smokestack somewhere. I'm not sold, sorry. Maybe when we create a power plant that will get more than 50mpg (or equivilent cost) like lots of little gas IC engines do now.
Depends on what time you charge up. Night time hours where plants are more or less idling; it would be much more efficient to charge up during these hours.

The type of driving we are doing right now is not sustainable for our economy or this world for that matter. We need something new like a baby needs a fresh diaper. This electric car idea is a stop gap to what the next big solution is. Plug in hybrids are probably more realistic. Biofuel makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind and hydrogen powering electrical fuel cells doesn't look too promising either. Hydrogen combustion engines could work if we find some way to....control/maintain/"process" the hydrogen.

Me being a gas lover for powering my hobby is one thing, but being realistic about cars and where we will be going, I need to get used to the idea of being in a car powered by something other than gas. Change is coming, get on board or get run over.

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Depends on what time you charge up. Night time hours where plants are more or less idling; it would be much more efficient to charge up during these hours.

The type of driving we are doing right now is not sustainable for our economy or this world for that matter. We need something new like a baby needs a fresh diaper. This electric car idea is a stop gap to what the next big solution is. Plug in hybrids are probably more realistic. Biofuel makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind and hydrogen powering electrical fuel cells doesn't look too promising either. Hydrogen combustion engines could work if we find some way to....control/maintain/"process" the hydrogen.

Me being a gas lover for powering my hobby is one thing, but being realistic about cars and where we will be going, I need to get used to the idea of being in a car powered by something other than gas. Change is coming, get on board or get run over.
uhm, plants don't idle at night(worked at a power plant the last 2 years).. power consumption is usually directly dependent to weather. in fact the fact that most people are home at night+ extreme cold or heat will equate to more power consumption then during a normal 9-5 day where most people are gathered in an office or out. there are a few countries looking into hydrogen fuel cell power plants. at the end of the day profit margin and lobbyists are why we still burn coal and shiitty fuel grades in power plants. our gas turbines could run on natural gas.. but it costs more.
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Sweet!

no one is even looking at it though. lol
It's New York, you could set yourself on fire and run through streets and not be noticed
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uhm, plants don't idle at night(worked at a power plant the last 2 years).. power consumption is usually directly dependent to weather. in fact the fact that most people are home at night+ extreme cold or heat will equate to more power consumption then during a normal 9-5 day where most people are gathered in an office or out.
12345 People will plug their EV in at 5 pm at the same time as everyone cranks up their stoves, TVs, etc, etc. Ideally the charger would be on a timer and only charge from 11 pm to 7 am when demand is a little lower ...
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so it goes 50miles max range, and 65mph max? i'll guarantee thats not 50miles at 65mph. so at 65mpg, it probably only gets, say, 25 or 30miles. for $2 a charge? Thats not much better than my STi at 65 (or faster). And my STi is a fuel sucking pig.

All electric cars do is move emissions from your tail pipe to a coal plant smokestack somewhere. I'm not sold, sorry. Maybe when we create a power plant that will get more than 50mpg (or equivilent cost) like lots of little gas IC engines do now.
Nobody is going to buy this thing to blast down the highway at 65 mph. $2 is about 2/3 gallon of gas. So 50 miles for 2/3 gallon of gas equivalent is 75 mpg.
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Aawwwww......it is so cute.....
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Smart ED (electric drive) can do 70 miles on one charge. Subaru needs to release their concept electric car that is suppose to do over 100 miles per charge.

Fifth Gear test of the Smart ED:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1p2FPRZRLI
That was a BS test. They should have run the tank dry on the petrol car by driving it (assuring that the tank was 'empty' when the fuel pump pickup could no longer find fuel), instead of pumping it completely dry by outside means. I'm sure there was still a significant amount of fuel in the bottom of that tank when it ran out of gas that was ignored by this test.

(not to say that the petrol Smart would have won.. just that the EV version was given an advantage.)

I saw this video last week, and that was my thought at the time.
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Plus... producing electricty at a power plant is a pretty efficient way of doing it rather than us each all having our own combustion units...

Liek I say, it's a nice drive system... just gotta get the cost of production down. Nice to see Subaru making Green news though.
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Plus... producing electricty at a power plant is a pretty efficient way of doing it rather than us each all having our own combustion units...

Liek I say, it's a nice drive system... just gotta get the cost of production down. Nice to see Subaru making Green news though.
How many KW/Hr does this take to charge? (need to know how large of a solar panel I will need for one)

R1E for the wife to drive (10 mile commute,all city) plus a Diesel Subaru (Impreza?) for myself (please please please make it and market it as bio-fuel friendly)

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What happens when the batteries bloat like overcharged cell phone batteries?
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couldn't they integrate some sort of solar panel onto the roof or wind capture device to increase range? I have no idea the science behind it, but it seems like it should be possible.
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Nobody is going to buy this thing to blast down the highway at 65 mph. $2 is about 2/3 gallon of gas. So 50 miles for 2/3 gallon of gas equivalent is 75 mpg.
I would, if I got it: My commute is about 19 minutes at 70+mph each way. Very little traffic, usually. So if it can go ~50 miles at ~70mph, I'm interested.
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