Best way to bleed PS pump ??

IllNastyImpreza · 03-19-2008, 12:30 PM

I did some searching and read a bunch... but there is rather limited info on this topic.

I Just replaced both PS pumpes on Both my subarus

I put a JDM pump in my 98 RS, and a stock Legacy PS pump in my 98 Legacy...

BOTH of them are STILL HARD TO TURN

The impreza has bubbles still in the top of the resovoir, whats the best way to get rid of all the air ???

The Legacy must have some air in it as well, because After I took the cap off and turned the wheel a few times it got better....

I have them both outside with the PS caps off, I have turned lock to lock at least 10 times in both of them...

what should I try now ???

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vica153 · 03-19-2008, 12:40 PM

Get the front wheels off the ground, then you can turn back and forth a lot without stressing the system.

IllNastyImpreza · 03-19-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vica153

Get the front wheels off the ground, then you can turn back and forth a lot without stressing the system.

awesome thanks I'll try it

is it bad for the system to turn it with no power assist ??? I drove all last night with it rather hard to turn

imprezilization · 03-19-2008, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllNastyImpreza

awesome thanks I'll try it

is it bad for the system to turn it with no power assist ??? I drove all last night with it rather hard to turn

probably ok for a while. I'd imagine it puts a lot of stress on the steering linkage

IllNastyImpreza · 03-19-2008, 09:29 PM

ok I tried the trick on my Impreza, and I think its back to normal...

Unfortunatly, even when I jack the Legacy's ENTIRE front end off the ground, the steering has "bumps" or tough to turn spots in the steering

I'm guessing iether my tie rod ends, or steering rack is shot ???

the tie rod ends don't click or anything though... so I'm leaning twards rack...

tankd0g · 03-19-2008, 09:45 PM

Lucas stop leak will smooth out minor notchyness in a steering rack. It won't stop leaks though, ironically :-) It could also just be stiff u-joints in the steering column, I had the one at the rack input jam with mud during a rallyx once and it poped the seal on the rack when I forced the wheel to turn, fun.

IllNastyImpreza · 03-19-2008, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankd0g

Lucas stop leak will smooth out minor notchyness in a steering rack. It won't stop leaks though, ironically :-) It could also just be stiff u-joints in the steering column, I had the one at the rack input jam with mud during a rallyx once and it poped the seal on the rack when I forced the wheel to turn, fun.

no **** huh ??

I will definatly go buy a bottle of that stuff...

any way to lube the steering U joints ??? I'm guessing they don't have grease fittings

IllNastyImpreza · 03-20-2008, 12:10 PM

UPDATE:

ok am I retarded ??? I can NOT get iether one of my cars to turn correctly !

I picked up a bottle of the Lucas Powersteering goop for the Legacy, drained my reservoir and added/waited , added/waited untill it was about perfect level. I jacked up the front end and proceeded to turn the wheel (slowly) lock to lock about 5 times, then I started it up and did it again another 10 times... NO IMPROVMENT whatsoever

I also jacked up the front of my Impreza , took the cap off the PS reservoir , and did the SAME bleeding procedure,(because the top of the reservoir is a milky color) but about twice as many times... & its STILL hard to turn !!!...the car only has 45,000 miles on it, and turned PERFECTLY before I swapped the PS pump. The new PS pump has got to be almost BRAND new, because there isn't a spec of rust on it., its JDM. The only thing that is bugging me is there is a connector coming off the pump that my RS does not have stock... whats this connector for ???

What am I doing wrong ???

tankd0g · 03-20-2008, 12:15 PM

Ok wait a second, were you having this problem before you changed the pumps? Were the pumps leaking? Like I said before also check everythign int he steering column that might be in need of lube.

IllNastyImpreza · 03-20-2008, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankd0g

Ok wait a second, were you having this problem before you changed the pumps? Were the pumps leaking? Like I said before also check everythign int he steering column that might be in need of lube.

on the Impreza, no there was nothing wrong with the steering at all. it worked 100%. I just stole the pump off it to put on the legacy. and since I had an almost brand new JDM one sitting around, I put that on the Impreza.

Now I'm almost 100% sure the Legacy needs a new rack...it is pysicaly exhausting to turn the steering wheel now at least 90% of the time

I'm fighting a loosing battle here guys

tankd0g · 03-20-2008, 12:24 PM

Are you sure they are the same capacity pump?

IllNastyImpreza · 03-20-2008, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankd0g

Are you sure they are the same capacity pump?

actualy the Impreza one seems a bit smaller. I removed that one today, and installed the one from my GF's 95 Legacy L... I believe its the exact same pump.... No improvment

on the bright side, I can swap out a PS pump in about 10 minutes now

now the question... Used steering rack, or brand new...

vica153 · 03-20-2008, 10:13 PM

Well considering they both worked fine, then you removed and installed the pumps, and now neither work, It must be something you did wrong during the reinstall.

tankd0g · 03-20-2008, 10:20 PM

Lots of variables going on here. I was going to say it might be seized strut bearings but it's more likely something you did installing the pump. Lines backwards maybe? Belt not tight enough?

mekken · 03-20-2008, 11:26 PM

i had this problem with my 02. it sounds like you made the same mistake i made. when you turned the wheel the first time after you replaced it were the wheels off the ground? if not you probably ruined both of your pumps...

IllNastyImpreza · 03-21-2008, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mekken

i had this problem with my 02. it sounds like you made the same mistake i made. when you turned the wheel the first time after you replaced it were the wheels off the ground? if not you probably ruined both of your pumps...

that would really ruin your pump ???

Quote:

Originally Posted by vica153

Well considering they both worked fine, then you removed and installed the pumps, and now neither work, It must be something you did wrong during the reinstall.

I think I am confusing you guys due to BOTH of my cars...

The LEGACY steering started getting ROUGH to turn...
I stole my RS pump , and put it on the Legacy... no improvment (because its the rack)

THEN I upgraded my RS pump to a JDM PS pump...
And its giving me problems now...

I did NOT know you needed the front end jacked up when you first turn the wheel...
I think that might be it

I must have toasted both pumps

you live, you learn ...

now I probably need 2 PS pumps and a steering rack

03-19-2008, 12:30 PM	#1
IllNastyImpreza Scooby Guru Member#: 36333 Join Date: May 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: East Kingston NH Vehicle: DIY project: life I need more TIME!	Best way to bleed PS pump ?? I did some searching and read a bunch... but there is rather limited info on this topic. I Just replaced both PS pumpes on Both my subarus I put a JDM pump in my 98 RS, and a stock Legacy PS pump in my 98 Legacy... BOTH of them are STILL HARD TO TURN The impreza has bubbles still in the top of the resovoir, whats the best way to get rid of all the air ??? The Legacy must have some air in it as well, because After I took the cap off and turned the wheel a few times it got better.... I have them both outside with the PS caps off, I have turned lock to lock at least 10 times in both of them... what should I try now ??? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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03-19-2008, 12:40 PM	#2
vica153 Scooby Specialist Member#: 76586 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 1994 GF6	Get the front wheels off the ground, then you can turn back and forth a lot without stressing the system.

03-19-2008, 09:29 PM	#5
IllNastyImpreza Scooby Guru Member#: 36333 Join Date: May 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: East Kingston NH Vehicle: DIY project: life I need more TIME!	ok I tried the trick on my Impreza, and I think its back to normal... Unfortunatly, even when I jack the Legacy's ENTIRE front end off the ground, the steering has "bumps" or tough to turn spots in the steering I'm guessing iether my tie rod ends, or steering rack is shot ??? the tie rod ends don't click or anything though... so I'm leaning twards rack...

03-19-2008, 09:45 PM	#6
tankd0g Scooby Newbie Member#: 170241 Join Date: Jan 2008 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Vehicle: 1993 Celica GTS Red	Lucas stop leak will smooth out minor notchyness in a steering rack. It won't stop leaks though, ironically :-) It could also just be stiff u-joints in the steering column, I had the one at the rack input jam with mud during a rallyx once and it poped the seal on the rack when I forced the wheel to turn, fun.

03-20-2008, 12:10 PM	#8
IllNastyImpreza Scooby Guru Member#: 36333 Join Date: May 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: East Kingston NH Vehicle: DIY project: life I need more TIME!	UPDATE: ok am I retarded ??? I can NOT get iether one of my cars to turn correctly ! I picked up a bottle of the Lucas Powersteering goop for the Legacy, drained my reservoir and added/waited , added/waited untill it was about perfect level. I jacked up the front end and proceeded to turn the wheel (slowly) lock to lock about 5 times, then I started it up and did it again another 10 times... NO IMPROVMENT whatsoever I also jacked up the front of my Impreza , took the cap off the PS reservoir , and did the SAME bleeding procedure,(because the top of the reservoir is a milky color) but about twice as many times... & its STILL hard to turn !!!...the car only has 45,000 miles on it, and turned PERFECTLY before I swapped the PS pump. The new PS pump has got to be almost BRAND new, because there isn't a spec of rust on it., its JDM. The only thing that is bugging me is there is a connector coming off the pump that my RS does not have stock... whats this connector for ??? What am I doing wrong ???

03-20-2008, 12:15 PM	#9
tankd0g Scooby Newbie Member#: 170241 Join Date: Jan 2008 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Vehicle: 1993 Celica GTS Red	Ok wait a second, were you having this problem before you changed the pumps? Were the pumps leaking? Like I said before also check everythign int he steering column that might be in need of lube.

03-20-2008, 12:24 PM	#11
tankd0g Scooby Newbie Member#: 170241 Join Date: Jan 2008 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Vehicle: 1993 Celica GTS Red	Are you sure they are the same capacity pump?

03-20-2008, 10:13 PM	#13
vica153 Scooby Specialist Member#: 76586 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 1994 GF6	Well considering they both worked fine, then you removed and installed the pumps, and now neither work, It must be something you did wrong during the reinstall.

03-20-2008, 10:20 PM	#14
tankd0g Scooby Newbie Member#: 170241 Join Date: Jan 2008 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Vehicle: 1993 Celica GTS Red	Lots of variables going on here. I was going to say it might be seized strut bearings but it's more likely something you did installing the pump. Lines backwards maybe? Belt not tight enough?

03-20-2008, 11:26 PM	#15
mekken Scooby Newbie Member#: 144140 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: bayville nj Vehicle: 02 wrx wrb	i had this problem with my 02. it sounds like you made the same mistake i made. when you turned the wheel the first time after you replaced it were the wheels off the ground? if not you probably ruined both of your pumps...