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Old 03-23-2008, 08:57 PM   #1
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Default Kinder Gentler Ride for 05 LGT LTD?

Wife loves the power and comfort of the LGT LTD, but is getting tired of the harsh ride, compared to her previous 98 and 01 models. I'm sure the 17" wheels and RE92 tires have a lot to do with that, but am wondering if tires alone will be enough to soften things up, or if 16" wheels with taller sidewall tires would be an option. Would 16's look silly on this car? Anyone have experience "detuning" the ride on their 05 LGT from sport to comfort mode?
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Old 03-23-2008, 09:02 PM   #2
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Brakes are too big to mount 16's. You can get a slightly taller tire like a 205/50 and switch to an all season with a softer sidewall. Other than that, not much you can do.
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Old 03-23-2008, 09:05 PM   #3
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Brakes are too big to mount 16's. You can get a slightly taller tire like a 205/50 and switch to an all season with a softer sidewall. Other than that, not much you can do.
Thanks for the info. Any idea if there will be rubbing problems from moving to 50 series tires?
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:41 PM   #4
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As posted above, the massive 12.3" front rotors won't clear many 16" wheels. I would first buy a set of nice high performance all seasons. If this doesn't help out I imagine you could swap in Outback springs/struts from an OB BL.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:11 AM   #5
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I doubt the tires are going to matter much.

Best option would be to swap out the GT suspension for non-GT (L trim) suspension. (You could do Outback, as was suggested, but then your changing the ride height too)

That is ultimately what determines the ride. Could probably do it for free if you wanted, as someone with a non-GT would probably jump on it...

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Old 03-24-2008, 12:47 AM   #6
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Wow, I never thought for a minute my ride was "harsh" in my 05. I even swapped in some lowering springs to stiffen up the ride and added front/rear sways.. There are fact some 16" wheels that will clear the front brakes, but not many. I've been trying to find 16" that will clear the bembo's on the STi and I found some that were very close, so they will fit over the LGT brakes easy.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:36 AM   #7
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Legacy Thanks everyone...

For a variety of reasons, I won't get into swapping suspension parts. Tires and wheels are as far as I'm willing to go for softening the ride and it sounds like even changing wheels is not practical. I know it sounds strange to call the ride harsh, but compared to previous LGTs the 05 let's you feel every pebble and crack in the pavement. This may be desirable for the performance oriented driver, but if the wife was serious about ride handling she'd be driving a WRX STi. The LGT is probably criticized for not being more sport/performance oriented, but in our case, more is less. Current tires have a lot of tread left, but will definitely try something different when their time is up. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:21 PM   #8
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Look for a Grand Touring type tire. Their design will be weighted more toward comfort than high performance, though some manage to have very good traction and handling characteristics while still providing a supple ride.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:58 PM   #9
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If the ride seems too harsh, maybe your struts are shot? I'd never heard of the 05 LGT being too stiff of a ride either.
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Old 03-24-2008, 01:23 PM   #10
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If the ride seems too harsh, maybe your struts are shot? I'd never heard of the 05 LGT being too stiff of a ride either.
Mmmm...certainly worth checking out. Thanks for the suggestion.
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If the ride seems too harsh, maybe your struts are shot? I'd never heard of the 05 LGT being too stiff of a ride either.
My Mom used to have an 05 LGT and I never minded, but the ride was definitely more "harsh" than my 98 GT with Whiteline springs on it.

Compared to an Accord or something, it really is "harsh", although us "performance" types don't tend to notice. Obviously not coilover harsh, but still...

I doubt the struts would be dead already, but it definitely is possible.

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Old 03-24-2008, 04:52 PM   #12
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You could also find someone to reupholster seat with something softer that should help a little also if you have leather seats you could swap to cloth most of the time cloth is softer as well.
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:09 PM   #13
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My Mom used to have an 05 LGT and I never minded, but the ride was definitely more "harsh" than my 98 GT with Whiteline springs on it.

Compared to an Accord or something, it really is "harsh", although us "performance" types don't tend to notice. Obviously not coilover harsh, but still...

I doubt the struts would be dead already, but it definitely is possible.

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Wife absolutely LOVED her 98 GT LTD, except for the lack of passing power. Unfortunately, someone plowed into the back of it, or she'd still be driving it today. I drove the 05 today and don't find it harsh at all. In fact, it's really a treat, since I drive a normally aspirated Baja every day. Since I don't drive the Legacy everyday, I'm trying to make it a bit more to her liking.
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:15 PM   #14
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You could also find someone to reupholster seat with something softer that should help a little also if you have leather seats you could swap to cloth most of the time cloth is softer as well.
Cloth may be softer, but no way is she giving up those heated leather seats. If touring tires won't help enough then she'll just have to live with it. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:12 AM   #15
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Ironically i actually gave up my heated leather power seats for a set of JDM cloth now my wife gets the power seat and i dont lol. another thing is tire pressure overinflating will cause more stiffness. GL with making it gentle
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:35 PM   #16
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You can't compare a Camry or Accord to a Legacy GT. They are NOT in the same ballpark. Camrys and Accords can only be compared to a lower packaged Legacy. Yes I know they have V6s, but they really aren't performance oriented. As far as I know, the Accord and Camry keep the same suspension across all packages.

But in the end, why buy a car that you find too harsh/stiff of a ride? The car doesn't get stiffer the longer you drive it, only softer as things wear out. Could always trade it in for an L or similar. And I never have a problem passing in my '98 GT.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:39 AM   #17
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But in the end, why buy a car that you find too harsh/stiff of a ride? The car doesn't get stiffer the longer you drive it, only softer as things wear out. Could always trade it in for an L or similar. And I never have a problem passing in my '98 GT.
It's not too "harsh/stiff of a ride", just a bit more than previous GT's we've owned, including 98 and 01. Love most everything else about the car. Since you own one, I don't have to explain all the reasons for buying one. I'm not looking for 90's Towncar land yacht softness, I'm just looking for reasonable ways to make what I think is a very nice ride, into something a little smoother, for the woman that drives it every day. As I said earlier, different tires is probably as far as I will go with changes. Trading for an L model is not an option. If you never have problems passing in your 98 GT, you must not have an automatic. If you haven't tried the same with a turbo, I'm sure you would love the difference (except when it's time to fill up again).
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It's not too "harsh/stiff of a ride", just a bit more than previous GT's we've owned, including 98 and 01. Love most everything else about the car. Since you own one, I don't have to explain all the reasons for buying one. I'm not looking for 90's Towncar land yacht softness, I'm just looking for reasonable ways to make what I think is a very nice ride, into something a little smoother, for the woman that drives it every day. As I said earlier, different tires is probably as far as I will go with changes. Trading for an L model is not an option. If you never have problems passing in your 98 GT, you must not have an automatic. If you haven't tried the same with a turbo, I'm sure you would love the difference (except when it's time to fill up again).
True, I do not have an auto, so I don't really know what they are like. I have driven (in Okinawa for 2 years) a '91 Legacy GT, which was turbo(and an auto, but not the same as an N/A car).

But remember, if you go squishy tires, you lose some traction/handling of the car. Not a big deal if she doesn't ever drive it very hard or fast though.
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Wife absolutely LOVED her 98 GT LTD, except for the lack of passing power. Unfortunately, someone plowed into the back of it, or she'd still be driving it today. I drove the 05 today and don't find it harsh at all. In fact, it's really a treat, since I drive a normally aspirated Baja every day. Since I don't drive the Legacy everyday, I'm trying to make it a bit more to her liking.
SOLUTION:
Let your wife drive the BAJA, and you drive the Legacy GT.

Problem solved.

The Legacy GT uses lower profile tyres (fairly narrow sidewalls) and firmer springs in the interests of offering greater road feel and better initial turn in. Anything you attempt to do to soften up the Legacy GT is going to adversely affect overall handling and cost money to install.

Another option would be to trade in the Legacy GT for either a base model Legacy or an Outback (less power, reduced braking, but a much softer ride).

EDIT: You could, if you were really determined, replace the Legacy GT brakes with those on a base model "L" Legacy. This would allow you to run smaller diameter rims with a higher profile (thicker sidewall) tyre. Doing this should smooth out the Legacy a great deal.

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Sell it and buy a 2.5i. If she's not into performance, she won't miss the turbo kick.
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