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Old 03-26-2008, 09:02 AM   #1
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I completed the Swap on my '98 GT last week, and just so everyone knows '06 WRXes are a direct swap for struts and tophats. I have Tanabe GF210 springs. I do experience a "Saggy Butt," however, with my stiff springs, I do not rub at all. I will be buying a set of the half inch spacers sometime soon, to even the ride out.








I think it looks pretty good, but; I have no intention of staying that low with out coil overs.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:50 AM   #2
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Looks good, good info too,

But I must say Saggy Butt Syndrome is one of my few peeves with suby's. I can't stand it.

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Old 03-26-2008, 10:27 AM   #3
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Thats fairly similar to the result I got with JDM STi Ver7 and 8 suspensions on the wagon. Maybe not quite that low in the tail, but close.

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Old 03-26-2008, 11:57 AM   #4
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yea looks just like my drop on the wagon with 04 STi susp.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:42 PM   #5
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I thought that the saggy butt was from wagons, not sedans. I may be wrong though... Have u measured from the ground at the front and rear and see how level the car really is?
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Old 03-26-2008, 01:10 PM   #6
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^^ thats what I was thinking about the SBS.
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Old 03-26-2008, 01:53 PM   #7
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I thought that the saggy butt was from wagons, not sedans. I may be wrong though... Have u measured from the ground at the front and rear and see how level the car really is?
Yea, theres not a huge difference in weight in the rear between the two(BD and BK) and the STi spring rates in particular are high enough I would think the drop would be fairly similar.

Now in this particular setup you also have the Tanabe springs as a variable.

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Old 03-26-2008, 02:15 PM   #8
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i was on WRX springs in the rear, couldnt get the tapered STi spring to work.
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:59 PM   #9
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i was on WRX springs in the rear, couldnt get the tapered STi spring to work.
If you put them in as units(strut, spring and topmounts) both the version 7 and 8 will bolt right in the BD/BKs. Even though the rear Ver8s were heavily revised in the spring shape and topmount design, the bolt patterns(at the knuckle and the topmount) remained the same.

I loved the spring rate(almost completely eliminated hobby-horsing etc.), but the drop was just too much. I was rubbing at the rear fender lips running 205/55-16s on +53mm RS wheels on hard turns. If youre rubbing with that tire/wheel setup, its just too low. Spacers(for between the body and topmount in the rear) might have been enough to remedy it if they had been available at that time.

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Edit: I should add, my fenders arent rolled but the fender lip trim is long gone. Rolling the fenders might have solved it too.

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Old 03-26-2008, 03:36 PM   #10
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Yeah, I also had my jack, tools, sub, amps, and old struts in the car at the time of that photo shoot... Nothing is in there at all now, and the height did not change, they are stiff springs. I will get several measurements for you guys tonight.

I do recall taht the Tanabes, and the stock springs were exactly the same, in height, withs, coil spacing. Very interesting.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:08 PM   #11
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Old 03-26-2008, 06:30 PM   #12
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If you put them in as units(strut, spring and topmounts) both the version 7 and 8 will bolt right in the BD/BKs. Even though the rear Ver8s were heavily revised in the spring shape and topmount design, the bolt patterns(at the knuckle and the topmount) remained the same.

I loved the spring rate(almost completely eliminated hobby-horsing etc.), but the drop was just too much. I was rubbing at the rear fender lips running 205/55-16s on +53mm RS wheels on hard turns. If youre rubbing with that tire/wheel setup, its just too low. Spacers(for between the body and topmount in the rear) might have been enough to remedy it if they had been available at that time.

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Edit: I should add, my fenders arent rolled but the fender lip trim is long gone. Rolling the fenders might have solved it too.


I lost the strut tops after changing the susp from my old wagon,a BJ into this 97 BK on the old one i think the tops wouldnt bolt in using the STi stuff so i threw the 03 wrx spring in with the stop tophat from the BJ and then did the same with this new wagon. But now im on coilovers so life is nice and stable but bumpy at the same time.
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so the entire suspension will swap front and back, struts, springs, tophats and all? no modification required? Also there wouldnt be an exeption for the L models.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:46 PM   #14
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You also have to consider that the rear wheel well looks a little lower than the front even with springs that are made for your model of car. It's not so much saggy butt, as low quarterpanel.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:00 PM   #15
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You also have to consider that the rear wheel well looks a little lower than the front even with springs that are made for your model of car. It's not so much saggy butt, as low quarterpanel.
very true. that actually doesn't look like it's sagging at all to me, but it might be the angle in the pic. my wagon has '04 STi suspension too, and from certain angles it kinda looks like it's sagging in the rear. when you get up close though, it looks a lot better.
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Old 03-27-2008, 03:01 AM   #17
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so the entire suspension will swap front and back, struts, springs, tophats and all? no modification required? Also there wouldnt be an exeption for the L models.
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No exception

however the brake lines will not attach but the wheel speed sensors should.

The complete struts will bolt in top and bottom front to back.

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Whats the solution to the brake line?
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:14 AM   #19
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I used a zip tie to hold them down, then I used black tape to secure them to the strut... No big deal.

I never thought about the rear just being lower; I mean, I honestly have not had the rear rub yet, and there is quite a bit or room above the wheel left. So maybe it is where it is supposed to be. Like I said, I like how it looks, but at only 30 dollars, why not buy a half inch spacer. then i will atleast have some room to throw 225s under there >
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I used a zip tie to hold them down, then I used black tape to secure them to the strut... No big deal.
I switched to WRX stainless brake lines.
but the WRX stock lines would fix this problem too.


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I never thought about the rear just being lower; I mean, I honestly have not had the rear rub yet, and there is quite a bit or room above the wheel left. So maybe it is where it is supposed to be. Like I said, I like how it looks, but at only 30 dollars, why not buy a half inch spacer. then i will atleast have some room to throw 225s under there >
You will be rolling your fenders to clear 225's, well atleast i had to, effin wagon.
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so the entire suspension will swap front and back, struts, springs, tophats and all? no modification required? Also there wouldnt be an exeption for the L models.
The only exception I can think of would be the FWD model BD/BKs but they may work too.

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Old 03-27-2008, 10:47 AM   #22
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Whats the solution to the brake line?
On our suspension the brake line passes through a brake line loop tab. Every suspension I have had on my car I have cut open the loop tab with a reciprocating saw such the line itself will pass through the cut I made but the fitting wont and them you can just reuse your oem clip. Having a closed clip for the brake line is a bad design that needs the brake line to be cracked to swap struts. On later designs Subaru changed this.

If you are feeling at all leery about doing this you can also drill a small hole through the back edge of the now opened brake line loop on the strut and run a zip tie through it and around the line to further secure it. Thats how my current GR2s are setup.

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Car looks great.

I was thinking about STi suspension swap, but I realized I'd rather do a fully adjustable suspension, so this is out for me.
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