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Old 03-27-2008, 10:37 PM   #1
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew how to close the internal wastegate for a standard size 16g? I tried asking grimmspeed about if they had a bracket but, they siad they didnt, and the closest one would probly be the DB 20g bracket.... My questions are..
1) Would the 20g bracket fit?
2) If it doesn't, What is another way to close up the wastegate. please post any link/tutorials.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:08 PM   #2
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like permanently?
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:10 PM   #3
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yes, is there any other way instead of wielding? for example block the holes with bolts?
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #4
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like permanently?
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a bracket is easy to make

there are seveal ways to go about it that have been posted
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:12 PM   #5
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i was going to suggest welding it. i don't know of any other way.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:15 PM   #6
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b/c looking at grimmspeed brackets, it seems all they did was bolt a bracket to the open holes, with no wielding at anything so i was just wondering if i would be able to do the same thing without wielding or the bracket... =/
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:38 AM   #7
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:51 AM   #8
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You can simply have the arm tacked in place on the flapper's external housing where the actuator arm connects. This way you can just remove the tiny tack weld and its a functioning IWG again. If you don't want that then you can clip it.

Or that bracket Andy has looks pretty good as well.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:01 AM   #9
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Im wanting to do the same to by big 16g but from what Im hearing th smartest thing to do is just weld the flapper shut and with a large enough bead to work the first time

for some reason my turbo is only boostin 14lbs no more no less so Im kinda stuck with having to do it this way

but from what other threads have said that if you use just the bracket (in certain cases) that you will get a metal on metal clanking noise and its your flapper moving around
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:17 AM   #10
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Im wanting to do the same to by big 16g but from what Im hearing th smartest thing to do is just weld the flapper shut and with a large enough bead to work the first time

for some reason my turbo is only boostin 14lbs no more no less so Im kinda stuck with having to do it this way

but from what other threads have said that if you use just the bracket (in certain cases) that you will get a metal on metal clanking noise and its your flapper moving around
are you referring to this

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1479547

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When I went EWG on my setup, we welded the IWG arm in place like most do and thought that would be enough. Started the car and heard a loud clanking noise, definitely metal on metal, and tried to think what it could be
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So word of advice to those going EWG and thinking about using a bracket or just tack welding the arm in place, or if you hear loud metal on metal sound after locking the IWG--- it is probably this iwg flap coming loose.
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Old 03-28-2008, 12:23 PM   #11
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if you do something dumb like welding the wg

you have destroyed the possibility of reversing yor decesion

a bracket is bloody bleeding simple

if you can not think your way through making a bog simple bracket for the wg
you shouldnt be modding in the first place as fabrication
even this kind of stupid simple fabrication

is the heart of REAL modding anything
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:19 PM   #12
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have someone fab up a bracket
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:53 PM   #13
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do like testes did in this thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1479547
and put a bolt through the flange on the HKS DP to hold the flapper shut. That's what I'll do when I go EWG

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Old 03-28-2008, 01:59 PM   #14
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if you do something dumb like welding the wg

you have destroyed the possibility of reversing yor decesion

a bracket is bloody bleeding simple

if you can not think your way through making a bog simple bracket for the wg
you shouldnt be modding in the first place as fabrication
even this kind of stupid simple fabrication

is the heart of REAL modding anything
There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who weld the wg closed including myself....Obviosuly once you weld it you cant go back, but its also a great way of making sure nothing will go wrong with it...

If you want to make sure everything works the first time just get it welded, If for some reason you would want to go backwards on your 16g set up, tons of people will trade plus cash for an ewg set up.
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if you do something dumb like welding the wg

you have destroyed the possibility of reversing yor decesion

a bracket is bloody bleeding simple

if you can not think your way through making a bog simple bracket for the wg
you shouldnt be modding in the first place as fabrication
even this kind of stupid simple fabrication

is the heart of REAL modding anything
Thats not true at all. Yes if you have the IWG flapper welded on the exhaust port yes theres pretty much no turning back.

If you tack the arm on the housing then you can reverse that with a little chisel and heat.

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do like testes did in this thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1479547
and put a bolt through the flange on the HKS DP to hold the flapper shut. That's what I'll do when I go EWG
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Old 03-28-2008, 04:49 PM   #16
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^^^ I just think if you do it, you should do it right, there are many methods but as far as im concerned welding will be the "best" as you can be assured it will work 100% all the time
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Thats not true at all. Yes if you have the IWG flapper welded on the exhaust port yes theres pretty much no turning back.

If you tack the arm on the housing then you can reverse that with a little chisel and heat.



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i guess this is why this is the noob forum

so lots of bad ideas can be spread around
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you calling the idea I linked to a bad idea?
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Sorry, but..........







welding FTW







and YES it can be reversed, if its done RIGHT
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i guess this is why this is the noob forum

so lots of bad ideas can be spread around

So bad ideas can be spread around?? Its a matter of opinion first of all, one way isnt "better" than the other but you cant say welding is a DUMB idea just because it cant be reversed.....So is it now a bad idea to bore a motor because it "cannot be reversed"
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So bad ideas can be spread around?? Its a matter of opinion first of all, one way isnt "better" than the other but you cant say welding is a DUMB idea just because it cant be reversed.....So is it now a bad idea to bore a motor because it "cannot be reversed"
HORRIBLE IDEA
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