PE fuel pump dies - POS - need info on supra pump

alfriedesq · 02-16-2002, 06:20 PM

Went to start up my car to go get some c16 gas this afternoon - it was dead - no fuel prssure

The POS bomb maker PE pump was dead - -

And that dude with the thread on the loose terminals was right - the stock pump connections are tight as can be - but the pe pump connector was loose and shaking about

I can't believe these things only last a few months !

Now I am screwed and cant go racing becuase I put the stock fuel pump back in and it cant hold enough pressure on top to make the right power

I need a supra pump - anyone know a vendor who has one in stock ????

Thanks !

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gossamer_monster · 02-16-2002, 06:35 PM

That $ucks. Luckily it didn`t decide to die in the mid of the 1/4 mile. That would have been messy.

Good luck.

Bill

Bighurt1 · 02-16-2002, 07:55 PM

try a guy on here by the name of bottle.....he has them for about 250 I believe

IMPREZIV · 02-16-2002, 08:16 PM

Call Adam
Good luck

Avenger · 02-16-2002, 10:47 PM

Somone posted the supra pump number a while ago. It was # 23221-46110 just ask goto a toyota dealer for it. This number was for a last gen impreza, not sure if it will fit a wrx. Hope this helps.

AZScoobie · 02-16-2002, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alfriedesq
Went to start up my car to go get some c16 gas this afternoon - it was dead - no fuel prssure

The POS bomb maker PE pump was dead - -

And that dude with the thread on the loose terminals was right - the stock pump connections are tight as can be - but the pe pump connector was loose and shaking about

I can't believe these things only last a few months !

Now I am screwed and cant go racing becuase I put the stock fuel pump back in and it cant hold enough pressure on top to make the right power

I need a supra pump - anyone know a vendor who has one in stock ????

Thanks !

(Welcome to motorsports)!

Al, I am the dude that posted the problem with the PE pumps.

I bet its not blown. To test it hook wires directly from the pump to your battery or power supply... Caution! Dont run the pump for more than a few secs. The fuel cools and lubricates the pump...

If it works redo the connectors and put it back in. MY car did the exact same thing on the F*&^ Highway. I had to have a friend tow me home. Once I had solid connections I had no issues. The PE pump might have the connector problem BUT... It fits and takes the stock pick up tube.. The supra pumps input is at an angle so you will run out of fuel before the light comes on..

Did you do anything about the stock FPR and rails?

CT

nmyeti · 02-16-2002, 11:10 PM

The Supra pump will take the stock pickup as well... You do have to modify the tube on the pump housing, but with a little work the supra pump will fit like a charm.

We take a dremal tool to the stock sock, just grind off just a little of the lip that keeps the stock sock from fitting the supra pump. Its a simple 2 minute process, and then you have the best of both worlds. Lots of fuel flow (255l/h) and limited surge (just like stock).

My next mod is to get a surge tank anyway though, because id like to have a little better ability to run with low fuel at the track.

the STI surge tank, and the supra pump might be the way to go.

-Nathan

AZScoobie · 02-16-2002, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nmyeti
The Supra pump will take the stock pickup as well... You do have to modify the tube on the pump housing, but with a little work the supra pump will fit like a charm.

We take a dremal tool to the stock sock, just grind off just a little of the lip that keeps the stock sock from fitting the supra pump. Its a simple 2 minute process, and then you have the best of both worlds. Lots of fuel flow (255l/h) and limited surge (just like stock).

My next mod is to get a surge tank anyway though, because id like to have a little better ability to run with low fuel at the track.

the STI surge tank, and the supra pump might be the way to go.

-Nathan

Nate. Is the input tube to the pump at an angle??? I thought that was the issue. Does the screen rest on the bottom of the tank? I too would like a surge tank as I road race. I am thinking of ideas. I saw a good FAQ on dsm.org about a total system upgrade. Good ideas. I want to ditch those sending unit fittings.

CT

DJIMPREZA · 02-16-2002, 11:17 PM

same happend to me AL!, remember? We blamed the pcikup, as we fitted the pe pickup and sometime we were getting fuel surge, and it lasted only in 2 months, we got the new one, I did not put the PE conector, we fitted it now to a sti surge tank (just a plastic fancy and expensive device) and no troubles untill the moment`, next week will try to tight those conectors better...

ADAM is the guy to talk, seriour power leads to the BIG denso fuel pump, wich I think is something aorund 500$ and it`s good for like 800-1000HP.. just enough flow.. eh!

See ya! I hope you are doing well...

DJ

alfriedesq · 02-16-2002, 11:26 PM

Does anyone know if the supra pump fits the stock wiring plug snug ?? OR do you need to sut the wires like the PE pump ??

nmyeti · 02-16-2002, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AZScoobie

Nate. Is the input tube to the pump at an angle??? I thought that was the issue. Does the screen rest on the bottom of the tank? I too would like a surge tank as I road race. I am thinking of ideas. I saw a good FAQ on dsm.org about a total system upgrade. Good ideas. I want to ditch those sending unit fittings.

CT

The parts on the pump sits in almost the exact same place as on the stock pump. The issue is that the supra sock comes off at a dead 90 degree angle from the supra pump. This leaves it out of the fuel in an under 1/4 to 1/8th of a tank situation.

When you try to push the stock sock onto the supra pump, if you look close enough you'll notice that the plastic lip on the stock sock keeps it from pushing all the way on.

Trim this lip just a little bit and you have "stock like" fuel pickup, with the larger pump.

You will also have to trim just a little bit of the factory feed tube that the pump mounts to in order to get everthing to fit back nice a tight. But thats pretty easy.

I still think i want a surge tank because i DO not want to ever run out of fuel under boost.

Al,
The supra pump has studs that the wires mount to... Pick up a few nice Male/Femal connectors and cut the stock plug off the pump assmebly.

Use some extra wire and the Male Female connectors to lengthen the stock power wires, then get the right nuts and connectors for the studs on the pump.

Pretty easy stuff... We did it on Max's car in less than an hour start to finish.

-Nathan

alfriedesq · 02-16-2002, 11:46 PM

Thanks for the information

Nathan - do you run the supra pump or the pe pump>?????

Looks like the supra pump will be my next pump

Its so frustrating to have something so small as this interfere with my crazy plans on the 1/4 mile dance floor - quess its time to visit my toyota dealership

nmyeti · 02-16-2002, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alfriedesq
Thanks for the information

Nathan - do you run the supra pump or the pe pump>?????

Looks like the supra pump will be my next pump

Its so frustrating to have something so small as this interfere with my crazy plans on the 1/4 mile dance floor - quess its time to visit my toyota dealership

i run the surpa pump... don't bother with the toyota dealer unless you are going to try to get on in the morning. Usually they don't keep these in stock though. You might want to talk to adam, he usually has a few around.

-Nathan

alfriedesq · 02-17-2002, 12:05 AM

Thanks for the info again - I'll try adam then and see if he's got one

BTW - does anyone sell the PE pump except for Jan Shim - he is out of stock !

Tuning Factory Inc. · 02-17-2002, 12:27 AM

I do Al. I have some on their way. Should be here in the next few days.

alfriedesq · 02-17-2002, 12:40 AM

Great news Dan - PLEASE hold on to one for me !

nmyeti · 02-17-2002, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alfriedesq
Great news Dan - PLEASE hold on to one for me !

You planning to run another PE?

-Nathan

Romanikque · 02-17-2002, 01:50 AM

Check out the DSM club deal on the pump at partznet.com. I dont think your going to find it for less than that.

-MAX

alfriedesq · 02-17-2002, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nmyeti

You planning to run another PE?

-Nathan

Well I love PE stuff

Also seriously thinking of the supra pump

If I get the supra pump then I also have to re-map all my fuel enrichments to incorporate the increased flow - which may not be a bad thing (the extra capacity)

Ah decisions decisions

SKC · 02-18-2002, 02:14 AM

I have been using a Bosch Motorsport pump designed for an RS4. It supplies 248 ltr / hr and mounts like it was designed for the WRX. Mounted in a block of fuel cell foam, it is not until the needle touches the "E" on the guage that any surge is experienced on the track. Cost was only ~AU$400 installed. I highly recommend it. Even with extreme modifications it does the business. It doesn't come with ricer stickers for the rear doors though!

SKC

Concillian · 02-18-2002, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SKC
It doesn't come with ricer stickers for the rear doors though!

Do you have a Bosch part number?
It's probably even beefier than the pump the S4 gets here...even the S4's pump should be better than what we have.

We get no RS4

WRC WRX · 02-18-2002, 10:27 AM

http://www.partznet.com/suprafuelpump.html

i got mine there.

Mike Rose · 02-18-2002, 03:42 PM

god / Dan:

I remember you a few years back from the H/A board (I sold my Integra Type R b/c I couldn't afford to keep replacing stolen parts). Do you still do H/A work, or have you made a complete switch to Subarus?

shabby · 02-18-2002, 08:17 PM

The supra pump flows a lot of fuel 290 lph @43psi @14v, you might need an adjustable fuel pressure regulator(not the b&m crap) because it will over-run the stock one. You'll be wasting a lot of fuel and will wonder why the car runs rich/slow.

Z1 Performance · 02-18-2002, 10:35 PM

shabby...not true on subaru's..their stock fpr's do a MUCH better job at coping with increased flow than the DSM's units do..it is one of those rare examples where Subaru has surpassed Mitsu (cough)

Granted, at Al, etc. stage of mods, a proper adjustable fpr would do a worlf of good, but only if the ecu is tuned to see it.

adam
Z-1

02-16-2002, 06:20 PM	#1
alfriedesq NASIOC Supporter Member#: 6788 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stamford, CT 06902 Vehicle: 2005 STI 10.9 @ 130	PE fuel pump dies - POS - need info on supra pump Went to start up my car to go get some c16 gas this afternoon - it was dead - no fuel prssure The POS bomb maker PE pump was dead - - And that dude with the thread on the loose terminals was right - the stock pump connections are tight as can be - but the pe pump connector was loose and shaking about I can't believe these things only last a few months ! Now I am screwed and cant go racing becuase I put the stock fuel pump back in and it cant hold enough pressure on top to make the right power I need a supra pump - anyone know a vendor who has one in stock ???? Thanks ! (Welcome to motorsports)! * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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nmyeti Scooby Specialist Member#: 4980 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM USA	The Supra pump will take the stock pickup as well... You do have to modify the tube on the pump housing, but with a little work the supra pump will fit like a charm. We take a dremal tool to the stock sock, just grind off just a little of the lip that keeps the stock sock from fitting the supra pump. Its a simple 2 minute process, and then you have the best of both worlds. Lots of fuel flow (255l/h) and limited surge (just like stock). My next mod is to get a surge tank anyway though, because id like to have a little better ability to run with low fuel at the track. the STI surge tank, and the supra pump might be the way to go. -Nathan

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DJIMPREZA Scooby Specialist Member#: 1199 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Caracas, Venezuela Vehicle: 1994 Supra+1K, 22b alike, 07STI	same happend to me AL!, remember? We blamed the pcikup, as we fitted the pe pickup and sometime we were getting fuel surge, and it lasted only in 2 months, we got the new one, I did not put the PE conector, we fitted it now to a sti surge tank (just a plastic fancy and expensive device) and no troubles untill the moment`, next week will try to tight those conectors better... ADAM is the guy to talk, seriour power leads to the BIG denso fuel pump, wich I think is something aorund 500$ and it`s good for like 800-1000HP.. just enough flow.. eh! See ya! I hope you are doing well... DJ

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alfriedesq NASIOC Supporter Member#: 6788 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stamford, CT 06902 Vehicle: 2005 STI 10.9 @ 130	Does anyone know if the supra pump fits the stock wiring plug snug ?? OR do you need to sut the wires like the PE pump ??

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alfriedesq NASIOC Supporter Member#: 6788 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stamford, CT 06902 Vehicle: 2005 STI 10.9 @ 130	Thanks for the information Nathan - do you run the supra pump or the pe pump>????? Looks like the supra pump will be my next pump Its so frustrating to have something so small as this interfere with my crazy plans on the 1/4 mile dance floor - quess its time to visit my toyota dealership

02-17-2002, 12:05 AM	#14
alfriedesq NASIOC Supporter Member#: 6788 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stamford, CT 06902 Vehicle: 2005 STI 10.9 @ 130	Thanks for the info again - I'll try adam then and see if he's got one BTW - does anyone sell the PE pump except for Jan Shim - he is out of stock !

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Tuning Factory Inc. Vendor Member#: 3600 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA	I do Al. I have some on their way. Should be here in the next few days.

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alfriedesq NASIOC Supporter Member#: 6788 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stamford, CT 06902 Vehicle: 2005 STI 10.9 @ 130	Great news Dan - PLEASE hold on to one for me !

02-17-2002, 01:50 AM	#18
Romanikque Scooby Newbie Member#: 7675 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: ABQ, NM	Check out the DSM club deal on the pump at partznet.com. I dont think your going to find it for less than that. -MAX

02-18-2002, 02:14 AM	#20
SKC Scooby Newbie Member#: 15250 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia	I have been using a Bosch Motorsport pump designed for an RS4. It supplies 248 ltr / hr and mounts like it was designed for the WRX. Mounted in a block of fuel cell foam, it is not until the needle touches the "E" on the guage that any surge is experienced on the track. Cost was only ~AU$400 installed. I highly recommend it. Even with extreme modifications it does the business. It doesn't come with ricer stickers for the rear doors though! SKC

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WRC WRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 9054 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Yonkers NY Vehicle: 2002 Impreza Wrx Aspen White	http://www.partznet.com/suprafuelpump.html i got mine there.

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shabby Scooby Newbie Member#: 2682 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Vehicle: 93 Eagle Talon AWD Black	The supra pump flows a lot of fuel 290 lph @43psi @14v, you might need an adjustable fuel pressure regulator(not the b&m crap) because it will over-run the stock one. You'll be wasting a lot of fuel and will wonder why the car runs rich/slow.

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Z1 Performance Former Vendor Member#: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Z1Auto.com	shabby...not true on subaru's..their stock fpr's do a MUCH better job at coping with increased flow than the DSM's units do..it is one of those rare examples where Subaru has surpassed Mitsu (cough) Granted, at Al, etc. stage of mods, a proper adjustable fpr would do a worlf of good, but only if the ecu is tuned to see it. adam Z-1