Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday September 14, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-01-2008, 11:16 PM   #1
Indocti Discant
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138000
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: et ament meminisse periti
Vehicle:
L Bo Hope you meet
the spirit in the sky

Default FAA failing to do its job?

I didnt notice a thread here regarding the recent maintenance related incidents that have popped up regarding airplanes that are operated by various airlines in the US. The most notable of which is Southwest. Another one includes the US airways 757 that lost part of its wing panel in flight.

What do some of the commercial pilots in OT think of this? I know of a few people who were affected by this last week, and i am not sure but i think today Delta canceled a few of its 757 flights also.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Indocti Discant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:18 PM   #2
Indocti Discant
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138000
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: et ament meminisse periti
Vehicle:
L Bo Hope you meet
the spirit in the sky

Default obligatory copy paste of an article...

FAA takes risks with shoddy oversight, experts say
  • Story Highlights
  • Transportation chairman: 'Most serious lapse in aviation safety ... in 23 years'
  • Investigation showed Southwest Airlines kept uninspected planes in the air
  • After CNN's exclusive report, FAA sought $10.2 million fine against airline
  • Congressional hearings on the issue are scheduled for this week
From Scott Bronstein
CNN Senior Investigative Producer

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration is putting the public at risk with lax oversight and a too-cozy relationship with the airlines, a top lawmaker and aviation experts said Tuesday.
The FAA has shown a dangerous lack of enforcement compliance with inspection requirements, resulting in thousands of people flying on potentially unsafe aircraft, said Rep. James Oberstar, the chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.
"This is the most serious lapse in aviation safety at the FAA that I've seen in 23 years," the Minnesota Democrat said in an interview with CNN, a position he restated at a news conference Tuesday.
"The result of inspection failures and enforcement failure has meant that aircraft have flown unsafe, un-airworthy and at risk of lives," he said.
Oberstar scheduled hearings to begin Thursday, after a congressional investigation uncovered that discount airline Southwest Airlines kept dozens of aircraft in the air without mandatory inspections -- and, in some cases, with defects the inspections were designed to detect.
CNN was first to report on the investigation in early March after obtaining documents submitted to the congressional investigators by two FAA inspectors who said FAA managers knew that the Southwest planes were flying illegally and did nothing about it.
The day after CNN's report, the FAA began actions to seek a $10.2 million civil penalty against Southwest for allegedly operating 46 Boeing 737s without conducting mandatory checks for fuselage cracking.
"Allowing an airline to fly passengers on aircraft with a known unsafe condition in my opinion is criminal," one inspector wrote.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency would "talk in great detail about all this" at the hearing.
"We have found consistently high rates of compliance with our audits and inspections," she said, adding that the agency intends to add additional measures to "provide inspectors the opportunity to report concerns up the chain of command."
The FAA also has scheduled a news conference for Wednesday, when the results of new inspections are expected to be announced.
The inspectors wrote that Southwest, which carried more passengers in the United States last year than any other airline, flew at least 70 planes beyond a mandatory inspection on the rudder unit, part of the steering mechanism, some of them as much as 30 months beyond the mandatory rudder inspection.
The airline also flew at least 47 planes beyond a mandatory inspection of the fuselage, or skin, of the planes for possible cracks, the inspectors said. When the inspections were carried out, six of the planes were found to have possibly dangerous cracks, they said.
In that group, Southwest flew at least 1,457 fights, according to the documents. Those flights carried an estimated 200,000 paying passengers, Congressional investigators said.
The FAA inspectors wrote that the airline knew it was in violation of safety rules by continuing to fly the uninspected 737s. At least one of the FAA inspectors wrote that he had been complaining about increasing problems like these for years at the Southwest regional FAA office, which oversees Southwest Airlines.
The two inspectors are to appear before Oberstar's committee Thursday.
In the wake of the congressional inquiry, the FAA ordered its inspectors to ensure that airlines were complying with 10 "airworthiness directives" -- orders to check or correct a known unsafe condition -- and to expand the review to include more directives thereafter.
Oberstar said that this week's hearings, though focusing on Southwest, were also important to show a larger trend: that the FAA is far too close to the airlines it regulates.
"It reflects an attitude of complacency at the highest levels of FAA management, a pendulum swing away from vigorous enforcement of regulatory compliance toward a carrier-friendly, cozy relationship with the airlines," he said. "This can lead to accidents and to fatalities."
Indocti Discant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:23 PM   #3
serial
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 33569
Join Date: Mar 2003
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Vehicle:
Hey! Back off, man.
I'm a scientist.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by owace View Post
I didnt notice a thread here regarding the recent maintenance related incidents that have popped up regarding airplanes that are operated by various airlines in the US. The most notable of which is Southwest. Another one includes the US airways 757 that lost part of its wing panel in flight.

What do some of the commercial pilots in OT think of this? I know of a few people who were affected by this last week, and i am not sure but i think today Delta canceled a few of its 757 flights also.
It shouldn't be the FAA's responsibility, it should be the responsibility of the airline to make sure that their flights are safe for their passengers.

Part of my responsibility is the systems that serve up documentation on all our aircraft. Without them, they can't repair the craft. We regularly ground around three planes a night because we can't get them repaired to OUR specs, not the FAA's. That's just in one city. Sometimes, **** happens.
serial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:28 PM   #4
Thumper23
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11571
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Vehicle:
'08 BMW 135i
F/A-18C

Default

Airplanes break. You don't want to know how much **** has broken on my airplane in flight.
Thumper23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:30 PM   #5
Qcanfixit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 135762
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: alternate reality
Vehicle:
2059 Venturi Skimobi
transparent aluminium

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper23 View Post
Airplanes break. You don't want to know how much **** has broken on my airplane in flight.

I'm willing to bet it's your fault.
Qcanfixit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:30 PM   #6
Indocti Discant
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138000
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: et ament meminisse periti
Vehicle:
L Bo Hope you meet
the spirit in the sky

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper23 View Post
Airplanes break. You don't want to know how much **** has broken on my airplane in flight.
hehe as an infrequent flier i've found a lot of random crap that scares me. but some of this stuff looks to be pretty serious such as the skin cracks. yes / no?
Indocti Discant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:31 PM   #7
Qcanfixit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 135762
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: alternate reality
Vehicle:
2059 Venturi Skimobi
transparent aluminium

Default





Photos show that a shot fired from a US Airways pilot's pistol blasted a small hole through the cockpit wall of a plane that landed in North Carolina.

The photos obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press show a small entry hole in the lower side of the cockpit wall and a small exit hole on the exterior below the cockpit window.

The AP described the photos and the bullet hole to US Airways spokesman Phil Gee, who said "they sound authentic."
Qcanfixit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:33 PM   #8
Thumper23
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11571
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Vehicle:
'08 BMW 135i
F/A-18C

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qcanfixit View Post
I'm willing to bet it's your fault.
it's never the pilot's fault

besides, I'm not talented enough to get the hydraulic system to fail on 2 different occasions
Thumper23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:34 PM   #9
Qcanfixit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 135762
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: alternate reality
Vehicle:
2059 Venturi Skimobi
transparent aluminium

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper23 View Post
it's never the pilot's fault

besides, I'm not talented enough to get the hydraulic system to fail on 2 different occasions

you are if you look like this guy...


Qcanfixit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:37 PM   #10
Thumper23
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11571
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Vehicle:
'08 BMW 135i
F/A-18C

Default

but that's samuel l. mother****ing jackson
Thumper23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:39 PM   #11
Qcanfixit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 135762
Join Date: Dec 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: alternate reality
Vehicle:
2059 Venturi Skimobi
transparent aluminium

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper23 View Post
but that's samuel l. mother****ing jackson

yeah and?
Qcanfixit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2008, 11:47 PM   #12
Thumper23
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11571
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Vehicle:
'08 BMW 135i
F/A-18C

Default

and nothing...

it needs no explanation
Thumper23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 11:42 AM   #13
Brad Pittiful
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34931
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: A Town Called Malice
Vehicle:
. .
This ain't no picnic!

Default

we get audited a lot by the FAA...they miss so much stuff it makes

banjo playing kid amused
Brad Pittiful is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 11:49 AM   #14
RC-Rascal
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 43776
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: SoCal
Vehicle:
03 WRX

Default

The company I used to work for used to hire alot of temporary employees, all with a technical background.

Many years back we hired a few recently laid off aircraft maintenance mechanics. They used to tell me stories of the half-assed work they did and all would swear that they avoid flying at all costs, simply due to the poor quality of the aircraft.

These guys worked on big planes for major companies too. Now that I routinely fly cross country and overseas, I always think of that when a problem happens on a flight.

Here are a few of my favorites:
lost an engine approaching Boston
Landing gear wouldn't fully lock
dense smoke filling cabin - don't know what it was, and they wouldn't tell us
RC-Rascal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 11:57 AM   #15
BeeGee
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 27724
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:
1970 F100
Black/White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by serial View Post
It shouldn't be the FAA's responsibility, it should be the responsibility of the airline to make sure that their flights are safe for their passengers.
What? The FAA's mission is as follows (according to their charter):
Quote:
Mission

Our Mission
Our mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.
Our Vision
Our vision is to improve the safety and efficiency of aviation, while being responsive to our customers and accountable to the public.
Our Values
  • Safety is our passion. We're world leaders in aerospace safety.
  • Quality is our trademark. We serve our country, our customers, and each other.
  • Integrity is our character. We do the right thing, even if no one is looking.
  • People are our strength. We treat each other as we want to be treated.
Safety is mentioned three times. It's definitely the airlines' responsibility to perform and document maintenance competently, but it's clearly the FAA's responsibility to oversee that it happens.
BeeGee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:12 PM   #16
kbcr3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44170
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Arlington, VA
Vehicle:
2010 Forester XT
05 and 09 honda ruckus

Default

i'm up to about 90k miles since the end of july of 07, so i consider myself a frequent flyer.

in the way of airport security and the security lines, i can tell you that i get through security 90% of the time with HUGE tubes of toothpaste and countless other items that they consider "unsafe". security isn't lax. it's virtually non-existent. it's pretty much just a dog and pony show. once you get status and can use the expedited security lines, the security becomes a non-issue.

i was on one flight last year with Alaska Airlines and was awoken by the sound of one of our engines shutting off. after a few seconds, it came back on, but the whole situation was still concerning.
kbcr3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:16 PM   #17
nhluhr
John Wayne Toilet Paper
Moderator
 
Member#: 7327
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2008 Mazdaspeed3
2006 Wrangler Sport

Default

flying Southwest in 23 days... hope they have it all fixed by then
nhluhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:30 PM   #18
Indocti Discant
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138000
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: et ament meminisse periti
Vehicle:
L Bo Hope you meet
the spirit in the sky

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbcr3 View Post
i was on one flight last year with Alaska Airlines and was awoken by the sound of one of our engines shutting off. after a few seconds, it came back on, but the whole situation was still concerning.
those things make good gliders no?
Indocti Discant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:33 PM   #19
Brad Pittiful
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34931
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: A Town Called Malice
Vehicle:
. .
This ain't no picnic!

Default

im FAA certified btw...whats that tell ya

banjo playing kid is amused
Brad Pittiful is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:38 PM   #20
Matt K
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 45204
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: you are so complex
Vehicle:
16 you don't
respond to danger

Default

still pretty much the safest form of travel.
Matt K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:42 PM   #21
nhluhr
John Wayne Toilet Paper
Moderator
 
Member#: 7327
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2008 Mazdaspeed3
2006 Wrangler Sport

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Pittiful View Post
im FAA certified btw...whats that tell ya
FAA certified to do what?
nhluhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:43 PM   #22
Matt K
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 45204
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: you are so complex
Vehicle:
16 you don't
respond to danger

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhluhr View Post
FAA certified to do what?
**** from teh mouth?
Matt K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 12:59 PM   #23
Indocti Discant
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138000
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: et ament meminisse periti
Vehicle:
L Bo Hope you meet
the spirit in the sky

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
still pretty much the safest form of travel.
should we fall back on that excuse then?

Indocti Discant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 01:00 PM   #24
Habu
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3052
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Inland Empire, CA
Default

You want a synopsis of how the FAA is doing its job? Ask the NTSB...

This is nothing new, it's just made news.
Habu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2008, 01:05 PM   #25
express_wagon
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 68346
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
1996 LC
2014 JK

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhluhr View Post
flying Southwest in 23 days... hope they have it all fixed by then
bring a parachute
express_wagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
how well does the oem fuel filter do its job? subynation Newbies & FAQs 14 04-17-2010 11:01 PM
Stage 2,... doing its job jmlaser Proven Power Bragging 9 10-06-2007 09:04 PM
radiator not doing its job! captianmo999 Service & Maintenance 3 08-29-2007 09:41 PM
Does Clunking Front swaybar = not doing its job? Erexxx Brakes, Steering & Suspension 1 04-05-2006 06:08 PM
Vid of my Escort Passport 8500 x50 doing its job GHST Car Audio, Video & Security 18 01-14-2006 08:12 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.