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Old 04-07-2008, 01:25 PM   #1
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MotorTrend also claims a 0-60 speed of 3.2 seconds which is just a bit faster than the 3.3 reported by CARandDRIVER.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:27 PM   #2
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The Nissan GT-R official order book opened for business on 2 April 2008 and within the first 48 hours nearly 700 customer deposits were received for pre-order reservations.

Paul Willcox, Managing Director Nissan Motor (GB) Limited commented: ďThe dealer order line lit-up on the 2 April with an unprecedented amount of orders being placed. This clearly demonstrates the UKís passion for performance cars and the enthusiastic following that the GT-R has established.

ďWaiting lists are not unusual to have for a vehicle of such high performance, specification and value but there is a limit that people will be prepared to wait. In order to meet demand we are now starting to negotiate vigorously with Nissan Europe to secure further volume from our production facility in Tochigi Japan.Ē

Willcox went on to explain the complexities of GT-R production: ďIn normal production terms the pace of the line can be increased or decreased to meet with demand but as the engine of the GT-R is built by hand there is a maximum production capability of 1000 units per month.

This volume has to satisfy all global demands covering America, Asia and Europe and therefore it will be late May before we know if we have been successful in our request.Ē

Pricing for the GT-R starts from £52,900 (OTR) and the supercar is available in three trim levels: Base, Premium Edition and Black Edition. First customer deliveries are expected in March 2009.

HOW TO ORDER

Due to the heavy demand Nissan is encouraging customers to place orders sooner rather than later to avoid disappointment.

To place a reservation for a GT-R, customers can either place an order online at www.gtrnissan.co.uk or visit one of the 10 specialised high performance centres strategically placed around the UK.

For those passionate car enthusiasts who will be signing up for GT-R ownership, there will be a series of tailored customer events and experiences giving them the opportunity to see the car up-close, get to know it and, ultimately, experience its performance before they take delivery. More details of this programme of special, Nissan-supported GT-R customer events will be released in the coming weeks and months.

Nissan High Performance Centres will ensure that GT-R customers receive the level of specialist attention and aftersales care that this special car warrants. They have committed to invest in the specialist sales and technical training for their staff that such a car demands, as well as the highly sophisticated equipment necessary to maintain and repair the GT-R.

The specialist centres have been chosen because they share the passion that customers have for the GT-R, and they have met strict criteria in terms of customer satisfaction, resources and location.

The GT-R boasts an all-new hand-built VR series 3.8-litre twin turbo V6 producing 480 PS (353 kW) at 6,400 rpm and 588 Nm of torque between 3,200 and 5,200 rpm.

Engine power is transmitted to the wheels via an all-new, paddle-shifted GR6 sequential 6-speed dual clutch rear transaxle coupled to an advanced all-wheel drive system. The sequential-shifting transaxle features separate wet clutches for the odd (1,3,5) and even (2,4,6) gears and pre-selects the next highest and next lowest gear for immediate shifts. The driver makes split-second gear-changes via paddles mounted behind the steering wheel.

To underline its supercar credentials, an unmodified GT-R completed a lap of the notoriously demanding Nurburgring circuit in Germany in 7mins 38secs, putting it among the fastest production vehicles to ever have lapped the circuit.

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Old 04-07-2008, 01:36 PM   #3
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Red looks nice but I the silver and black are the best. Too bad it's not available in a manual though I bet a manual would be a bit slower then that lightening quick auto.
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It's not an auto. It's a DSG.
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:11 PM   #5
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Jesus, that was a long enough dyno pull.
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It's not an auto. It's a DSG.
You know what he meant.

Is it that hard to believe that if the car shifts for you (aka AUTOMATICALLY) some people might still call it an auto.

While I normally make my splits on the torque converter vs. clutches, too, I think we're going to have to give up the ghost so to speak here.



And unless its a borg-warner box, you can't call it a dsg either. I don't feel like typing "automated manual" all the time
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:58 AM   #7
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Nope.. sorry. Can't waiver on this. There are 3 distinct types of transmissions now in use in passenger vehicles. There's no point trying to let people cluge the new shape into the existing holes. Besides.. I can let my girlfriend row the gears for me while I'm driving (even skip the clutch if we time it right).. that doesn't make it an automatic. If you allow people to confuse the two today, you'll be trying to clarify the issue for the next 20 years.
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:08 AM   #8
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Most non-enthusiasts aren't going to distinguish between a paddle-shifted DSG with an automatic mode and an "automatic" transmission with a paddle-shifting manual mode.

And you forgot about CVTs.
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I love part 2 when they show the shifts......freaking crazy fast!!
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Itís being nitpicky honestly. Mechanically there is certainly a difference, but DSGs and the like *are* automatic transmissions. If they arenít, then neither are manumatic autoís. The only net effect difference between the two is the speed of the shift, which varies widely even between manumatics. Some newer manumatics are *very* fast.

Even though it has clutches, the gearbox is in control, not the driver. The drivers asks the transmission to do something, the the transmission decides whether to do it or not. If youíre bouncing off of redline and tell the DSG to downshift, it wonít do it. Why? Because you arenít in manual control. Some DSGs will automatically upshift when they bounce off redline, even if the driver is asking for a downshift. And the defining variable is the fact you can set it in Drive, and it functions the same as a auto. You canít set a manual transmission car in Drive.

The comparison I would draw is just how it is the same type of transmission, itís just different mechanically. A dogbox is still a manual transmission, despite the mechanicals differing somewhat from a ďregularĒ manual. Same thing with a DSG, itís mechanically different from an manumatic slushbox auto, and it even uses clutches, but itís still automatic.
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Nope.. sorry. Can't waiver on this. There are 3 distinct types of transmissions now in use in passenger vehicles. There's no point trying to let people cluge the new shape into the existing holes. Besides.. I can let my girlfriend row the gears for me while I'm driving (even skip the clutch if we time it right).. that doesn't make it an automatic. If you allow people to confuse the two today, you'll be trying to clarify the issue for the next 20 years.
  1. Manual (clutch pedal, gear lever)
  2. Automatic/Auto (torque converter, PRNDL)
  3. DSG/Automated Manual (clutch with no clutch pedal)
You forgot to mention that the DSG/Automated manual also has PRND and no mechanical connection to the driver.

Other than the bit of clunkiness getting off the line in the GT-R, the shifts are so smooth and quick that it is more akin to driving an automatic transmission car (and sounds like it too) than a manual, especially when compared to the fact that there are full automatic transmissions in cars like the Lexus IS-F, AMG Benzes, etc. that shift up and down exactly when you pull the paddle and even blip the throttle between downshifts.

In 20 years you won't need to clarify the issue because there will only be these automatic/manual transmissions as it is a cheaper one size fits all solution for the manufacturers
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In 20 years you won't need to clarify the issue because there will only be these automatic/manual transmissions as it is a cheaper one size fits all solution for the manufacturers
because it's true
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Most good manual transmission drivers can shift a manual smoother than the average automatic... what's that got to do with anything?

CVTs are automatics.. Nearly every single CVT on the market uses a torque converter (the exception being Toyota hybrids).

Automatics have torque converters. Torque converters preclude throttle steer. DSGs do not have torque converters, and despite having automatic modes, do allow the driver to throttle steer.

I'm baffled that the difference between the 2 isn't more distinct in your collective eyes.
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Most good manual transmission drivers can shift a manual smoother than the average automatic... what's that got to do with anything?
Not really. You may be able to be smooth but there is still going to be a bigger time delay between shifts where the car is off the power and slows down and you can feel the changes in the gear, the DSG and Automatics are seamless. I've driven the GT-R, you can barely perceive the shifts, they are just like an automatic. Watch the MT video again, you can see and hear it, the driver even says you can hardly feel the shifts.



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Automatics have torque converters. Torque converters preclude throttle steer. DSGs do not have torque converters, and despite having automatic modes, do allow the driver to throttle steer.
O'rly?



Automatic transmission technology has changed a lot too. I suggest you drive the IS-F and then make comments about automatics. The shifting is every bit as good as any DSG I've ever driven, even the mags are raving about the transmission. When you lift off the throttle, the car slows down like a manual, and even blips the throttle between downshifts.

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I'm baffled that the difference between the 2 isn't more distinct in your collective eyes.
If you want to argue the mechanical differences, sure, but the driving experience is not all that distinct. Especially true of the DSG.

Ferrari's F1 SuperFast system, however, feels a bit more like a manual in how it shifts. When casually driving you can feel the car slow as the clutch dips and the cogs change (which is why people think it is not as good as DSG, because it is jerky, same with BMW's SMG), and at full throttle the shifts are violent like a race car.
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Nope.. sorry. Can't waiver on this. There are 3 distinct types of transmissions now in use in passenger vehicles. There's no point trying to let people cluge the new shape into the existing holes. Besides.. I can let my girlfriend row the gears for me while I'm driving (even skip the clutch if we time it right).. that doesn't make it an automatic. If you allow people to confuse the two today, you'll be trying to clarify the issue for the next 20 years.
  1. Manual (clutch pedal, gear lever)
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  3. DSG/Automated Manual (clutch with no clutch pedal)
For the second time, stop calling it a DSG. That is one manufactures name for that type of transmission.

Your analogy is **** as well. If your girlfriend is shifting SOMEONE is still shifting the car. Why would you even make such a clearly weak statement?

Anyways, I'm 100% fine with what you are saying. It would just be human nature (and common sense), to lump anything that shifts AUTOMATICALLY as an automatic, and something that shifts MANUALLY, as a manual. Further classifications as to what type of automatic, etc. etc. will then follow.

After thinking about it, how does it not make more sense to call all automatic gearboxes automatics, and them subclass them into torque converter or clutched, rather than misuse the simple descriptive term that is AUTOMATIC. I'll stick with automated manual until the world sorts it out.

As its been said, you missed a transmission type or two on your list.

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For the second time, stop calling it a DSG. That is one manufactures name for that type of transmission.
Every body calls tissues "kleenex" and they are not all Kleenex brand.
"DSG" is to dual clutch trannies what "kleenex" is to tissues.
Get used to it.
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Every body calls tissues "kleenex" and they are not all Kleenex brand.
"DSG" is to dual clutch trannies what "kleenex" is to tissues.
Get used to it.
Precisely. Plus DSG stands for dual-clutch gearbox, which is a pretty accurate description of what type of transmission it is.
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Every body calls tissues "kleenex" and they are not all Kleenex brand.
"DSG" is to dual clutch trannies what "kleenex" is to tissues.
Get used to it.
You don't have to tell me...

My point is, if he's going to go around correcting people over stupid ****, he should be careful not to mis-describe things as well.

The last thing borg warner wants if to lose the trademark in DSG because it gets used incorrectly. Just as Xerox, etc. et.c have fought like hell to get people to stop describing improperly.
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Precisely. Plus DSG stands for dual-clutch gearbox, which is a pretty accurate description of what type of transmission it is.
no, DSG stands for "Direct-Shift Gearbox"
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Precisely. Plus DSG stands for dual-clutch gearbox, which is a pretty accurate description of what type of transmission it is.
No, it stands for Direct-shift-gearbox.
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Precisely. Plus DSG stands for dual-clutch gearbox, which is a pretty accurate description of what type of transmission it is.
Is automatic not accurate as well? (just to play devils advocate)
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Itís being nitpicky honestly. Mechanically there is certainly a difference, but DSGs and the like *are* automatic transmissions. If they arenít, then neither are manumatic autoís. The only net effect difference between the two is the speed of the shift, which varies widely even between manumatics. Some newer manumatics are *very* fast.

Even though it has clutches, the gearbox is in control, not the driver. The drivers asks the transmission to do something, the the transmission decides whether to do it or not. If youíre bouncing off of redline and tell the DSG to downshift, it wonít do it. Why? Because you arenít in manual control. Some DSGs will automatically upshift when they bounce off redline, even if the driver is asking for a downshift. And the defining variable is the fact you can set it in Drive, and it functions the same as a auto. You canít set a manual transmission car in Drive.

The comparison I would draw is just how it is the same type of transmission, itís just different mechanically. A dogbox is still a manual transmission, despite the mechanicals differing somewhat from a ďregularĒ manual. Same thing with a DSG, itís mechanically different from an manumatic slushbox auto, and it even uses clutches, but itís still automatic.
This is not accurate, the fact it has clutches is a big difference between an automatic. Automatic Transmissions lose a lot of power to the ground through their friction surfaces as compared to a DSG. So it's not the fact that DSG is quicker, but it should put more power to the ground than a standard automatic.
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Mopho, throttle steer and power oversteer are two completely different things. Throttle steer is a nuanced control over handling and one of the primary reasons nobody uses a torque converter on a road course.
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For the second time, stop calling it a DSG. That is one manufactures name for that type of transmission.
Once again, you're arguing just to argue. I'm trying to make a valid point. Congratulations on not working the 135i into this one.

I said "DSG/Automated Manual" because it's non-specific as of right now. There is no universal term for them. BMW, Toyota and Ferrari each have sequential manuals while VAG and Mitsubishi are using dual-clutch gearboxes. They're both neither traditional manuals or true automatics.. yet there isn't a term for them. I'm very sorry that I chose brevity over detailed explanation.... but I ass-u-me'd that the car enthusiasts on this board could follow me.
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