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Old 04-08-2008, 09:21 AM   #1
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Default List of Aftermarket DCCD Controllers

  • Spiiders DCCDPro $200-$325
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    • Throttle Position Sensor
  • Neetronics $500
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    • Throttle Position Sensor
    • Brake
    • Handbrake
  • RalliSpec $895 (OEM DCCD controller)
  • GEMS (maybe $700+$200 software?)
  • MoTec (I thought I saw this for around $895 once)
  • Rocket Rally $1349 Canadian + $ for various maps (uses a GEMS controller)
  • Prodrive (contact them for info)
  • Pectel (contained within their engine controllers)
  • IA Concepts (price/inputs/source unknown)

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Old 04-08-2008, 10:44 PM   #2
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will the old 5 speed dccd controllers work with the 5 speed?
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:27 AM   #3
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will the old 5 speed dccd controllers work with the 5 speed?
Most likely, but it isn't cheap. All of the options listed above have more features. The old 5 speed DCCD controller just allows you to choose one setting which is always on. On dry tarmac this might be a problem on a daily driver, since your front and rear differentials + DCCD diff set to anything but off with lead to noises and increased drivetrain wear. Most DCCD controller have the option to be set to disable or set to 0% at low speed, this alone makes a controller a better option. On the neetronics controller which I am using, you have lauch settings, throttle override settings, etc. making it much more versatile. If you are just looking for a cheaper option, you can run without DCCD for free, plus it is fun to be able to slide the tail out.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:37 AM   #4
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will the old 5 speed dccd controllers work with the 5 speed?
yes, if you have a DCCD in your tranny
they will also work with 6spds (I have it this way)



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  • RalliSpec $895

    Rallispec utilizes the OEM DCCD controller (V3-V6) with their custom and most importantly COMPLETE wiring, which lets you plug and play the whole thing (with the exception of cluster lights, you have to insert the pins in your cluster pin manually)
  • GEMS (maybe $700+$200 software?)

    much more really.... they have two versions, plug and play (for new age) and standalone ($$$)

  • Rocket Rally $1349 Canadian + $ for various maps


    Pat uses GEMS standalone units and offers custom maps

Anyone know of others?

Prodrive/Pectel
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:00 AM   #5
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agh! yeah i meant old 5 speed dccd in a 6 speed
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:11 PM   #6
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All my controllers will work with both the older 5 speed STi tranny with DCCD and of course the 6 speed with DCCD.

A more rare application worth mentioning is the older legacies that have a reversed TPS signal. I have a chip replacement for my auto controllers that allows those cars to operate the 5 or 6 speed DCCD properly. My next gen auto controller will have a dip switch on the motherboard to accommodate cars with reversed TPS signal.
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:53 PM   #7
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Spiider, I updated the first post with some info about what inputs go into the device. Could you let me know if there are more on yours?

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Old 04-24-2008, 05:27 PM   #8
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anders, I haven't used the Motec. However, it's highly likely that the Motec "solution" isn't a standalone DCCD unit per se, but part of the basic EMS system. Motec will definitely allow you to drive a PWM output on their EMS system and feed it to the DCCD unit. From there, Motec allows you to set any criteria you want when driving their assignable PWM outputs, so you can customize any map you like when tuning it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:03 PM   #9
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All my controllers will work with both the older 5 speed STi tranny with DCCD and of course the 6 speed with DCCD.

A more rare application worth mentioning is the older legacies that have a reversed TPS signal. I have a chip replacement for my auto controllers that allows those cars to operate the 5 or 6 speed DCCD properly. My next gen auto controller will have a dip switch on the motherboard to accommodate cars with reversed TPS signal.
What about with the 5eat's? Will it work fine with them too?
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:02 PM   #10
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No sorry. My manual controller will theoretically allow you to control the TC lockup and center diff lockup on the AT trannies but no one has tested it yet.

I don't have an AT to try it on...
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:49 PM   #11
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All my controllers will work with both the older 5 speed STi tranny with DCCD and of course the 6 speed with DCCD.

A more rare application worth mentioning is the older legacies that have a reversed TPS signal.
What is considered an "older" Legacy?
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:00 PM   #12
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So far I have found this to be the case in ~1994 cars and earlier.
The easiest way to check is to put a multimeter on it and press the throttle in.

In any case it doesn't matter too much anymore as all my controllers that interface with the TPS now feature a DIP switch on the motherboard you can flip and the TPS will be reversed (in my firmware calculations only). If I know someone's car is an older Legacy I just tell them to be aware of how to switch it over.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:06 PM   #13
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Anders what are the inputs on the OEM(rallispec) controller? Just want to see where we're getting more from the other aftermarket ones.
Spiider I might be interested in sending you back any data I can when I put in my 5eat for part of my built up swap on my 97 OBS. It'll be running basicly as the 3.0R entirely just in a GF chasis...As much as the transfer will end up being. So far a lot. That should give you more data to work with and maybe a good jump for the Legacy guys to use for their 3.0R's and LGT Limitied's.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:43 AM   #14
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The Rallispec is an OEM controller from the early STi's.

It is the same as my manual controller. One input....turn the knob to increase the force at the center diff.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:47 AM   #15
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The Rallispec is an OEM controller from the early STi's.

It is the same as my manual controller. One input....turn the knob to increase the force at the center diff.
What's the ETA on your auto/man controller? What sensors does it use -- all stock ones that the stock DCCD controller uses? How much were you thinking of asking for one of those units?
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:58 AM   #16
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I just announced the "Dual Mode" controllers on my website on Friday.

Basically I have added an LED lit switch that allows you to switch over to manual mode, and then you can use the knob for direct manual control of the DCCD. It acts very similarly to the OEM system now, manual and auto. I'm not using the OEM auto/man switch, but hopefully that will come soon. I need a little more time to play with it.

As far as sensor inputs, I use the TPS and my own 2 axis g-sensor, and of course the control knob.
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:02 AM   #17
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I just announced the "Dual Mode" controllers on my website on Friday.

Basically I have added an LED lit switch that allows you to switch over to manual mode, and then you can use the knob for direct manual control of the DCCD. It acts very similarly to the OEM system now, manual and auto. I'm not using the OEM auto/man switch, but hopefully that will come soon. I need a little more time to play with it.

As far as sensor inputs, I use the TPS and my own 2 axis g-sensor, and of course the control knob.

Looking forward to receiving and installing mine.

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Old 04-28-2008, 06:34 PM   #18
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I just announced the "Dual Mode" controllers on my website on Friday.

Basically I have added an LED lit switch that allows you to switch over to manual mode, and then you can use the knob for direct manual control of the DCCD. It acts very similarly to the OEM system now, manual and auto. I'm not using the OEM auto/man switch, but hopefully that will come soon. I need a little more time to play with it.

As far as sensor inputs, I use the TPS and my own 2 axis g-sensor, and of course the control knob.
So basically what you're saying is that we can have auto DCCD in a car that doesn't have all required inputs for the factory DCCD to work?

By factory inputs I mean either the ABS sensors, steering column sensor (steering level), yaw sensor, etc.
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:25 PM   #19
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Absolutely.

It is 90% functional to what the OEM STi system is right now.
The only thing lacking at this point is for it to go open for handbrake turns...that is coming soon as well. It hasn't been a priority for me due to the way it already operates in the firmware's turning routine.
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Put me down for one.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:36 AM   #21
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  • Spiiders DCCDPro $200-$325
    • Inputs:
    • Internal Accellerometer
    • Throttle Position Sensor
  • Neetronics $500
    • Inputs:
    • Speed sensor
    • Throttle Position Sensor
    • Brake
    • Handbrake
  • RalliSpec $895 (OEM DCCD controller)
  • GEMS (maybe $700+$200 software?)
  • MoTec (I thought I saw this for around $895 once)
  • Rocket Rally $1349 Canadian + $ for various maps (uses a GEMS controller)
  • Prodrive (contact them for info)
  • Pectel (contained within their engine controllers)

Anyone know of others?
I believe that IA Concept also makes this one, unless it is just a rebrand of another DCCD controller: http://www.iacpc.jp/p06_dsc.html
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:29 PM   #22
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Absolutely.

It is 90% functional to what the OEM STi system is right now.
The only thing lacking at this point is for it to go open for handbrake turns...that is coming soon as well. It hasn't been a priority for me due to the way it already operates in the firmware's turning routine.
There is no reason why the power to the controller couldn't be cut using a normally closed relay wired to the handbrake switch.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:23 PM   #23
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Has anyone actually used one of these? After seening the Top Gear episode with the P2, I couldn't figure out why no one was tuning the DCCD. I know MOTEC has a version for the GR. Which of the other devices will work with a GR and retain the factory display in gauge pod, functionality of the factory buttons, help reduce understeer in auto mode, and be plug and play.
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Old 12-18-2009, 07:20 AM   #24
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I have a Spiider auto/man unit. Works very well. I yet to have been in a spot where its caused anything but good control... I dont really think 90% of nasioc's drivers would be able to use this unit to its fullest. So going to something more pricey or a name brand I think is a waste of money. You'd be only getting it to tell your buddies on nasioc that you have one.

My only upgrade I want to do is move the controler button and thumb wheel to my sparco steering wheel. Right now its in the oem center console. I'd like it on the wheel so I can adjust it on the fly without moving my hands to far off the wheel.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:57 AM   #25
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Has anyone actually used one of these? After seening the Top Gear episode with the P2, I couldn't figure out why no one was tuning the DCCD. I know MOTEC has a version for the GR. Which of the other devices will work with a GR and retain the factory display in gauge pod, functionality of the factory buttons, help reduce understeer in auto mode, and be plug and play.
TONS AND TONS of ppl have/use them. Their are multiple threads about it too.
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