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Old 04-10-2008, 11:09 AM   #1
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TOKYO -- Toyota's long-anticipated sports car will arrive in 2011. It will be jointly developed with Subaru and boast a boxer engine.
The compact, rear-wheel-drive " affordable" car will be built at a new Japanese plant to be set up by Fuji Heavy Industries, parent of the Subaru brand.
Each company will market the car separately and badge it as its own.
The model is part of a sweeping expansion of the tie-up between the Japanese companies.
At a news conference here today, CEO Katsuaki Watanabe also said that Toyota Motor Corp. would boost its stake in Fuji Heavy to 16.5 percent, from its current 8.7 percent.
Toyota will pay 31.1 billion yen ($311 million) for the increased holding, effectively snapping up the last of the shares sold back to Fuji Heavy by General Motors in 2005.
Under the growing partnership, Toyota will supply Fuji Heavy with a compact car. Fuji Heavy also will start receiving minivehicles -- cars with engines no bigger than 660cc -- from Toyota affiliate Daihatsu, starting in 2009.
No more minicars
Fuji Heavy will eventually jettison all of its own minicar development.
Under the hood of the sports car will be Subaru's trademark horizontally opposed engine. The companies did not say how many cylinders the engine will have.
The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be " designed" by Toyota, the companies said.
" I think there is high potential for this car," Watanabe said, adding that it will be sold in Japan and overseas. " We haven't had a sports car for a long time. This is a long-awaited-for model."
Pricing would be " not prohibitively high," he said.
Other details, such as engine displacement and production volume, are under wraps. But Fuji Heavy President Ikuo Mori said he has driven the test vehicle and is pleased.
" I'm confident we have an excellent car," Mori said.
New Fuji plant
Fuji Heavy will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi engine and transmission factory to manufacture the sports car. It will start operation in late 2011.
Work there may expand to include other Toyota-commissioned vehicles, Mori said. Fuji Heavy is deciding how big to make the plant and how much money to invest.
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota's midengined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
Other sporty models over the years have included the Celica, which was discontinued in 2006, and the Supra, on the roads for nearly a quarter of a century from 1978 to 2002.
Watanabe said the success of the joint manufacturing at Fuji Heavy's Lafayette, Ind., plant pushed him to go ahead with the sports car. That plant now makes Camrys for Toyota.
" We thought what might be the next step," he said. " Fuji Heavy is a very reliable partner. I hope to identify new areas for collaboration as we continue with the relationship."
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:33 AM   #2
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was that an article written by 5ubaru?
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Old 04-10-2008, 01:15 PM   #3
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Sweet!

Might make a good replacement car.... maybe.
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Old 04-10-2008, 01:57 PM   #4
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didn't even realize that there is a whole thread in the Subaru news and rumors....

its an official press release.
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:21 PM   #5
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"Each company will market the car separately and badge it as its own."
This means there will be 2 cars? under the two brands?
did my reading comprehension fail me again?
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:29 PM   #6
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"Each company will market the car separately and badge it as its own."
This means there will be 2 cars? under the two brands?
did my reading comprehension fail me again?
yeh kinda like the toyota matrix and the pontiac vibe
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:30 PM   #7
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does that mean a RWD subaru??
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:23 PM   #8
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does that mean a RWD subaru??
Hopefully, and with a nice rear diff that can handle RWD instead of AWD would be nice.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:30 PM   #9
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Mmmm, sure would be nice to have a flat six and RWD! Can't wait to see this one in Subaru trim!
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:43 PM   #10
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i say:
toyota variant should be cheap, low power, low cost, easy to setup for drift ae86 bloodline... use a small H4 with DI and VVT so it gets good mileage and revs to 7.5

subaru can be a little more sporty, a little more expensive maybe to combat sporty cars like the mazdas and nissans and saturn skies.


also, i will be surprised if the 1.5l they say will be offered is an EJ series engine in the US... it will either be the 2.0l that other sites quote or a whole new 1.5 designed to sip fuel and still put out good numbers... i just don't see america buying a 1.5l without vvt.
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I wonder how far back and how low the engine can be pushed if the FWD part of the driveline is jettisioned?

I'm also guessing it won't be an EJ series motor. I am thinking a 4 cyl version of the 3.0 H6.
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yeh kinda like the toyota matrix and the pontiac vibe

mmm like the 350z and G35?
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I wonder how far back and how low the engine can be pushed if the FWD part of the driveline is jettisioned?
That all depends on how long your legs are.

Won't go any further back than the footwell.
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:11 AM   #14
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Toyota sports car with Subaru engine? i like the sound of this, but i never liked toyota's design. hopefully the car will be sick, especially with RWD
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That all depends on how long your legs are.

Won't go any further back than the footwell.

True, but if it's not a turbo, or they re-route the turbo like the new diesel, it can go back at least 8-10 inches. Probably more. The real reason the engine is so far up is because the front halfshafts can't get too far behind the wheel centerline. Remove that restriction and things will move.

Either way, I'm not a Toyota fan, but I'm liking the sound of the project so far.
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im not a toyota fan but im a supra mkiv fan
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Old 04-11-2008, 02:41 PM   #17
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I am thinking a 4 cyl version of the 3.0 H6.
So... like a 3 liter flat 4?

or maybe you meant a N/A 2.5... RS motor?
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Speaking of the RS... for Toyota to bring back a car that is sporty, they would have to stay in the 200+ hp range no?

Last time i checked... an N/A 2.5 flat 4 produces like 165hp 165ft/lbs torque (might be higher now, i think this applied to the GC/GM)
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I might be interested in it if Subaru promises not to paint it.
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So... like a 3 liter flat 4?

or maybe you meant a N/A 2.5... RS motor?
i think he was getting at the fact that the EZ30 is marginally deeper than the EJ25'S so of you chop off 2 cylinders from the EZ........
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i think he was getting at the fact that the EZ30 is marginally deeper than the EJ25'S so of you chop off 2 cylinders from the EZ........
Now i see it, thats for the correction
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Not so much
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i think he was getting at the fact that the EZ30 is marginally deeper than the EJ25'S so of you chop off 2 cylinders from the EZ........
Yes, a 4 banger version of the EZ would be both shorter and lighter than an EJ series motor.

Perfect for a RWD platform. 2.4 liters would be the Tribeca motor minus 2 cyl.
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Toyota's last serious sportscar in the 4 cylinder catagory were the Celica/Caldina GT4 and the MR2 turbo (IMO).

The last Celica GT4 put down 245 bhp 1994-1997? (2.0 Litre 3SGTE engine)
The last Calinda GT4 put down 265 bhp 2000-2006 (2.0 Litre 3SGTE engine)
The last MR2 turbo put down 245 bhp 1994-1999 (2.0 Litre 3SGTE engine)

Hell, even their MR2 G-Limited 2.0 litre Redtop Beams put down 200 bhp in 1999, and the Blacktop 2.0 litre Beams 3SGE in their Altezza put out roughly 210 bhp through a rwd 6spd configuration. Both naturally aspirated.

If Toyota were to bring back an actual sportscar, and not a watered down product (sorry MR-S and 2000+ Celica guys), then I would expect them to put out a 4 cylinder motor that outperformed their previous offerings. That would imply 210+ bhp if they go n/a, or 265+ bhp if they end up with a turbo motor.
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