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Old 04-10-2008, 03:55 PM   #1
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Mahindra has just jointly announced with FEV that they'll be displaying their sub-continent-styled Mahindra Scorpio with a diesel-electric hybrid powertrain at the SAE World Congress this weekend here in Detroit. The system includes a 40 HP E-motor that works in stop/start, electric acceleration, and regenerative braking capacities — developing peak torque in the range of 200 lb-ft. The diesel engine is a 2.2-liter inline four with common rail injection, developing 113 HP mated to a six-speed automatic transmission. Although no word on what this has to do with the Mahindra Appalachian we'd been told to look for this week at the SAE World Congress, or whether we'll be seeing this curry-flavored Indian import stateside, it at least looks like the hybrid SUV market is set to get mighty interesting. Press release below the fold and in case you're interested, the shot up top is a camino-ized version of the Scorpio they'll be showing off. So you probably shouldn't expect a truck bed. AUBURN HILLS, Mich., April 10

— Mahindra & Mahindra (Mahindra), one of the leading auto manufacturers in the Indian market, and FEV, a leading developer of advanced powertrain and vehicle technologies, announced today that FEV will exhibit a diesel-electric hybrid version of the Scorpio SUV at the 2008 SAE World Congress. The Congress takes place April 14 - 17 at Cobo Center, in Detroit, Michigan. The diesel hybrid version of the vehicle was developed by Mahindra with support from FEV. The announcement was made jointly by Mahindra's Dr. Arun Jaura, Chief Technology officer, Mahindra Group, and Gary Rogers, president and CEO of FEV, Inc.

"The Scorpio vehicle is a clear indicator of the enormous implications of globalization on the changing paradigm in vehicle development," said Rogers. "A rapid advancement of technology is occurring on a global scale, and our OEM customers are increasingly leveraging FEV's global presence to ensure around- the-clock development of new powertrain and vehicle concepts. The FEV Group has successfully expanded its capabilities and international reach to accomplish shorter development times and to support these types of global initiatives for its OEM partners."
FEV contributed its expertise in hybrid powertrain systems development and integration, as well as software development to support Mahindra in the hybridization of the vehicle, the first of its kind to be marketed in the Asian market.


"FEV has been a very receptive and experienced partner in the program and is known for their HEV work across the globe. With their support, we were able to meet our aggressive targets. They have made a valuable contribution to the development of the Scorpio Hybrid Diesel SUV," said Dr. Arun Jaura, Chief Technology officer, Mahindra Group.
The Mahindra Scorpio hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) features the following characteristics:


— Diesel-electric parallel hybrid vehicle with four major functions:
- Start-stop
- Electric launch
- Torque augmentation
- Regenerative braking
- Seamless but enhanced driving experience
— 2.2 Liter, I-4, second generation diesel common rail engine with 85 kW
and 270 Nm ratings
— 6-speed automatic transmission
— 30 kW (peak) motor with max torque of 270 Nm (peak) and a max speed
8500 rpm
— 288V, 8.4 Ah NiMH battery
— Quick cold start with e-motor assist
The Mahindra and Mahindra diesel-electric hybrid is representative of the type of advanced vehicle technologies under development by FEV. Further examples of this technology will be on display at the FEV exhibit.
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:57 PM   #2
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Wow, leave it to the indians to make something like this first..

it actually looks pretty neat
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Old 04-10-2008, 07:33 PM   #3
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looks like one of those RC toy cars
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Old 04-10-2008, 07:54 PM   #4
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A hybrid car would be the last thing I'd want to submerge in water. Am I just ignorant or is that a valid concern?

It does look pretty cool, tho!
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:17 PM   #5
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Diesel hybrid, it takes a country that is known more for crappy tech support than it is for building cars (granted their tractors are not half bad) to actually get it right. Diesel Hybrid FTW!!!!!

And it actually looks pretty good too!

mbs627: That safari snorkel is more for getting to clean air when driving on dusty roads than it is for water. I would imagine that the electric portion of the hybrid is pretty well sealed against water, dirt etc..... anyway.
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:36 PM   #6
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A hybrid car would be the last thing I'd want to submerge in water. Am I just ignorant or is that a valid concern?

It does look pretty cool, tho!
Why would this be a problem? Motor is probably hermetically sealed. Even if it isn't, the rotor would be sealed, with seals on the forward end and back at that transmission. Stator windings are also wrapped with insulation. Like all wiring, water is not your friend, but neither is running any vehicle submerged all the time
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:51 PM   #7
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FWIW Ignorance is not a bad thing, it just means you don't know the answer yet
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:24 PM   #8
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wasn't Scorpio the bad guy in the Simpsons James Bond style episode?
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Old 04-11-2008, 08:29 PM   #9
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Finally, something worthwhile (automotive-wise) from India.
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F you go for a drive in this overstimulating, overwhelming city of 20 million, it is best to bring along courage, stamina and a very loud horn. Thankfully, the Mahindra Scorpio sport utility vehicle I recently took for a spin came equipped, at least, with a fine horn. Jostling with city buses, challenging slow and rickety taxicabs for gaps in the teaming jumble of traffic, the Indian-built Scorpio kept me out of trouble.

For a tall and boxy truck, the Scorpio has surprisingly quick steering. Its high-set seats and large windows provide an excellent view of the road ahead, though good visibility is of minimal value when the foreigner at the wheel misses a road sign and nearly drives down the wrong side of a bustling waterfront avenue. A quick correction saved the day.Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd. will need similarly quick reflexes but better foresight, along with a degree of luck, to make good on its promise to enter the American auto market late this year.

Mahindra says it plans to start sending two- and four-door versions of a truck — here, it is called simply the Pik-Up — to the United States by year-end. Its distribution partner is Global Vehicles U.S.A., an Atlanta-based importer. The second act is to come next year with imports of a version of the Scorpio that I tested, modified for American tastes and standards.

Though unfamiliar to many Americans, Mahindra has a history that predates India’s independence from Britain. The company was set up in 1945 as Mahindra & Mohammed to assemble Willys Jeeps for American servicemen stationed in Asia. Over the years it expanded into construction, finance and production of trucks and tractors, among other things. But it did not move into the passenger car business until 1995, when it teamed up with Ford to build the Fiesta compact car in India.

Mahindra builds the low-price Dacia Logan sedan in cooperation with Renault-Nissan, and recently introduced the eight-passenger Xylo utility wagon.

The company’s core activities, however, remain focused on tractors, trucks and large S.U.V’s. In the United States, Mahindra’s presence has been limited to building and selling tractors and farm equipment. The company also sponsors a Nascar team and a championship bull-riding series.

Nonetheless, Mahindra could find cracking the hypercompetitive American market for light trucks — especially during a global recession — far harder than hawking tractors or sponsoring all-American sporting events.
John Perez, chief executive of Global Vehicles, says he thinks there is room for an affordable, utilitarian Indian pickup in a market swarming with outsize gadget-laden trucks from Detroit — not to mention those from Toyota, Nissan and others.

Mahindra’s American strategy is to offer high value and good mileage from efficient diesel engines.
One thing missing is a name. The company has yet to decide what to call its trucks in the United States — a name previously proposed, the Appalachia, was dropped. Now Global Vehicles says pickups sold in America will wear alphanumeric badges.

Global Vehicles said last week that it had signed up 336 dealers across the United States.

Mahindra could also benefit from the woes of Chrysler and General Motors, as the two companies cut costs and abandon dealerships. Together, the two bankrupt Detroit automakers have eliminated more then 3,200 dealers this year.

“Ford, G.M. and Dodge have had a lot of years to build this kind of truck, and they haven’t done it,” Casey McGraw, vice president for sales at Global Vehicles, said of the diesel-powered pickup. “And we know that the price point has to make up for lack of name recognition.”

For people willing to take a look, the Mahindra should stand out, with quirky looks, a tough-truck résumé and what Global Vehicles promises will be the best mileage of any pickup sold in America.

Bigger than the compact Ford Ranger but smaller than the midsize Dodge Dakota, the trucks’ cargo and towing capacity will beat the existing models in either category, the company says.

With a 2.2-liter 4-cylinder turbodiesel — rated at 140 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque — the pickup will be capable of more than 30 m.p.g. on the highway, Global Vehicles says. The truck will offer a 6-speed automatic transmission and standard safety features including antilock brakes and electronic stability control. Options are to include leather seats and a navigation system. Pricing isn’t set, but the company says a well-equipped model is likely to be in the mid-$20,000 range.

Most dealers will sell Mahindra as a sideline to more established brands. Dealers pay $195,000 for a franchise, which includes technical training for a mechanic, and are required to set aside 900 square feet of floor space including a “heritage wall” with highlights of Mahindra’s history.
“We’re not asking dealers to build $3 million facilities,” Mr. McGraw said. “It’s more like, ‘Put up a sign, and let’s go sell some trucks.’

One dealer putting up a sign is Coleman Hoyt, owner of Acton Lincoln Mercury in Acton, Mass. Mr. Hoyt expects the pickup to attract not only contractors and landscapers, but outdoorsy, break-the-mold types who want a serious truck in a compact and economical package. Fans of diesel engines, with their reputation for mileage and durability, are another target. For now, all Mahindras destined for America will be diesel-powered.

he potential buyer is definitely an outlier,” Mr. Hoyt said. He concedes that the brand will take time and patience to build. “We see it as a pleasant diversification,” he added. “If we can ultimately sell a few hundred a year, that would be terrific.” Yet one potential Mahindra franchisee, a large Ford dealer in Texas, said his deal was delayed for now because of the slumping economy. This dealer, who insisted on anonymity because he is involved in continuing negotiations with Global Vehicles, said the recession would make it even harder for Mahindra to challenge established truck makers — especially since pickup owners tend to remain loyal to their brand.

“It’s an extremely capable truck, but the timing is terrible,” the dealer said. “We kept coming back to how hard it would be to launch an unknown and unproven product.” At the same time, small pickups have fallen out of fashion with Americans. Compact pickups accounted for just 2.7 percent of the overall auto market last year, according to Edmunds.com, compared with 5.1 percent in 2002.

“In the end, the car market is decided by the customer,” said Deepesh Rathore, a Global Insight automotive analyst in Gurgaon, India.

He said the success of Mahindra’s expansion plans would depend more on the quality of the finished product than on the country of origin. “Americans are very patriotic,” Mr. Rathore said. “But that doesn’t stop them from buying a Toyota.”

To counter quality concerns, Mahindra has put a fleet of vehicles through more than three million miles of testing, Global Vehicles says.

Product planners in India have taken Americans’ habits, even their snacking proclivities, into consideration. The pickup’s original cup holder was deemed too small for a nation that gulps supersize drinks. Models headed to America will hold larger cups.

The company would also have to ramp up production of left-hand-drive versions and add air bags for the American market. The vehicles will have to meet safety and emission standards. Crash tests have to be conducted and the engines will have to meet strict new federal limits on smog-causing emissions. Mahindra is installing a smog-fighting Bosch urea-injection system similar to those used by German automakers.
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That's one town over from me; I'll be sure to check this out.
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If they infact do show up on US shores with a 50 state legal light duty diesel truck and or SUV. For sub 30K I'll be taking a very serious look also.

They will have the market all to them selves. Still can't believe Nissan hasn't shown up with a solid diesel Frontier or Pathfinder yet. Leave it to India to actually deliver what Americans have been asking for - good milege durable and affordable midsize diesel truck and SUV.
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:41 PM   #13
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Local Mahindra dealer said that they had a long talk with the Mahindra suits about their ability to sell the pickup and SUV -- the suits told them only if they open a seperate location specifically for the pickup and SUV. Mahindra dealer wasn't happy as he said that he will be buying a truck for him self as soon as they hit US shores.

Shoot might be a nice breath of fresh air going to a tractor dealer to buy your truck or SUV vs the glitzed out BS filled dealer emporiums we have now. Just saying Mahindra shouldn't cut their current tractor dealers out of the loop. It would be pretty damn cool to buy my next Truck or SUV from a tractor dealer.
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