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Old 12-06-2001, 05:12 PM   #1
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Question Wagon Pros and Cons ?

I'm planning on buying a rex very soon. I can't decide between the wagon and the sedan. I like the utility of the wagon, plus it stands out a little more. I like the fender flares on the sedan also. My main question is what are the cons of the wagon? Does the extra weight and shifted center of gravity adversly affect the handling? I appreciate all opinions.
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Old 12-06-2001, 06:27 PM   #2
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Not really. The wagon's handling is very close to the sedan's (or at least that's what one of the big car magazines found...I forget which one).
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Old 12-06-2001, 06:45 PM   #3
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Buy the sedan. You sound too young to own a wagon. Regardless of what they call it....it's still a wagon.
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Old 12-06-2001, 07:37 PM   #4
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It all comes down to what will you get more use out of.

I personally have liked the look of the Impreza wagon since it came here as the Outback sport several years ago. It's not a long back and has a smoother line to it than the sedan IMHO.

If you find you like to haul all kinds of crap, it's an easy call. You get the fold down seats and the integrated roof rack. This is what I drive and I find it can hang with my 99 BMW M Roadster pretty damn well.

If you want the absolute performance aspect, the sedan will be marginally better. It's A-arms and rear sway bar do make a slight difference.

If you are buying the car to impress women and have no need for a back seat don't look at the Impreza. Don't get me wrong the Impreza has a female following, but they already know cars and know why the WRX rocks. Go buy a $15,000 93-95 RX-7 save the $5-7k for repairs it will need and you will have a car that gets women and does circles around a WRX on dry smooth pavement ie 75% of what the average person drives on.
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Old 12-06-2001, 07:51 PM   #5
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Default Re: wagon or sedan

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Buy the sedan. You sound too young to own a wagon. Regardless of what they call it....it's still a wagon.
Ya, if you're young, buy a sedan. We over-the-hill wagon owners don't want our insurance rates going up.
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Old 12-06-2001, 08:36 PM   #6
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If you plan to carry a lot of stuff, or you will frequently have rear seat passengers, the wagon might be the best bet. There's a bit more legroom and more headroom than the sedan. The sedan does look cooler, but the wagon was the key to getting one in the first place. It's a lot smaller than my 99 OB, but I don't care, this is way more fun to drive (duh!)
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Old 12-06-2001, 08:38 PM   #7
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Buy the sedan. You sound too young to own a wagon. Regardless of what they call it....it's still a wagon.
Its not like the sedan is some 2-seater coupe. Dont let peoples perceptions and hangups confuse your decision. I test drove a sedan and bought a wagon, they handle pretty much identically. The wagon has more room and is less conspicuos also its $500 bones cheaper. The sedan is not a Ferrari or porsche, it will not make you sexier to women or turn heads as you drive down the boulevard (atleast in LA, too many ferraris and porsches).
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Old 12-07-2001, 12:22 AM   #8
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Wagon: $500 cheaper up-front, cheaper insurance, better looks (IMO), can fit more gear in the back when I head up to the mountains, can fold down the seats and fit my great dane in the back, built-in roof rack that I can attach my Thule bars & bike carriers to.

Sedan: cool flared fenders, bigger rear swaybar

Hmm... I think I'll keep the wagon and add a bigger swaybar with all of the money that I saved. Just my preference. My other needs prevented me from even considering the sedan.
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Old 12-07-2001, 12:35 AM   #9
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Buy the sedan. You sound too young to own a wagon. Regardless of what they call it....it's still a wagon.

HAHAHA! too young to own a wagon??? I'm 23 and I have a wagon...I guess i made the wrong choice.
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Old 12-07-2001, 10:30 AM   #10
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The only disadvantage to owning a wagon is the misguided perceptions of the image conscious.

The wagon (IMHO) looks better. What cannot be disputed is that with the same suspension and sway bar size, the wagon will corner better, because of its greater readiness to rotate into the turn.

Sedan people will make much of the 20mm wider track width, and if it consoles them, great. In 99.9 percent of driving situations, it absolutely will not matter.

The sedan has a very large trunk for a car its size. But the wagon...I can put my bike in the back with both wheels on. Then there's the more nicely finished cargo area, rear wiper, cargo bay lights...

Hey, this is a trick question, right?

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Old 12-07-2001, 11:51 AM   #11
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Default Re: wagon or sedan

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Buy the sedan. You sound too young to own a wagon. Regardless of what they call it....it's still a wagon.
How can you possibly say I sound too young from my post? Was there any statement at all that makes me out to be 18? I'm 31, I don't know if you consider that too young?! If so, I'll take it as a compliment.

This was in no way a loaded question. I can't really decide and I wanted to gather some opinions and facts before making a decision. I already have a year old Sport Trac to haul my bike and camping gear around in. The rex would be a daily driver and weekend go fast toy. I love modifying cars, and there's plenty that could be done to a rex. My sport trac looks nothing like it did a year ago (see my website).

So, the real difference between the wagon and sedan is a smaller sway bar in the rear for the wagon. Can this simply be replaced with an aftermarket one that is bigger? Excuse my ignorance, but I've been driving SUVs for the last 8 years. Now I feel the need for speed. But I don't want to waste money on an Audi or BMW that won't perform any better anyways. The rex seems to be perfect - quick, agile, and indiscreet!
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Old 12-07-2001, 11:54 AM   #12
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So, the real difference between the wagon and sedan is a smaller sway bar in the rear for the wagon. Can this simply be replaced with an aftermarket one that is bigger? Excuse my ignorance, but I've been driving SUVs for the last 8 years. Now I feel the need for speed. But I don't want to waste money on an Audi or BMW that won't perform any better anyways. The rex seems to be perfect - quick, agile, and indiscreet!
Yes. In fact it doesn't even have to be an "aftermarket" bar. It can be one bought from an I-clubber with a sedan who's upgrading. Very affordable...
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Old 12-07-2001, 12:04 PM   #13
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Don't forget the front A-arms. They are slightly different in the Sedan vs. Wagon and can be upgraded to alluminum alloy only in the sedan.

There are rumors that the spring rates are slightly different in the sedan.

But you can swap out the springs and anti-roll bar, so really only the a-arms are sedan specific.
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Old 12-07-2001, 12:37 PM   #14
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Don't forget the front A-arms. They are slightly different in the Sedan vs. Wagon and can be upgraded to alluminum alloy only in the sedan.

How are the A-arms different? Material, size, setup, etc? And what makes one inherently better than the other?

/bill
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Old 12-07-2001, 01:22 PM   #15
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I think they are different in size because the wagon and sedan have a different track. The sedan's wheel track is slightly wider.
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Old 12-07-2001, 02:14 PM   #16
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Question how old?

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How can you possibly say I sound too young from my post?
Dude, I was wondering the same thing!
Anyway, FWIW my girlfriend thinks the wagon looks better than the sedan!

I too was torn, as I like the look of the fender flares. But I chose the wagon and now I'm glad I did. However, it sounds as though you may be keeping the Sport Trac? If that was my situation, it would make my decision more difficult...
The difference in weight is less than all but the smallest passenger, the difference in track is negligible and the rear sway bar is easily changed. I'm leaving my sway bar stock for now as I don't auto-X (yet) and I have no problem getting the back end to kick out in the rain!

Ahh, choices - just don't ask us what color to get! You are on your own there!

BTW, my cousin (18 years old) lives in Granite Bay. Every time I see him he asks for a ride in my car. Too young, right...
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Old 12-07-2001, 08:50 PM   #17
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Great to hear the VALID reasoning behind wagoneering. Stealth for sure, nothing to prove here . You can certainly smoke fools in either car, and yet the wagon is so much more discreet. Fastest grocery getter I've ever had.
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Old 12-07-2001, 11:36 PM   #18
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I just picked up my 7/8 foot Christmas tree in my wagon, 'nough said.

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Old 12-08-2001, 01:08 AM   #19
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pros : it's a wagon.

cons : you'll have the odd sedan owner question your masculinity once in a while.

fair tradeoff, i say. i got me a wagon.
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Old 12-08-2001, 01:50 AM   #20
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I just loaded up my wagon with snowboard gear for a trip this weekend with 4 people (3+me) and 4 snowboards. All our gear fit and we had room for a cooler, I bet you cant do that in a sedan. Plus people trip out when they ride in my car, they somehow cant grasp the concept of a super speedy wagon.
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Old 12-08-2001, 04:22 PM   #21
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Smile I bought a sedan

I was pulled between the wagon and the sedan. The fenders are more stylish. I like the looks of the sedan a bit more


But after having it for awhile... I came to realize that a wagon would be a bit more practical due to that extra space. Insurance cheaper ? or so they say...........IM 43 so add me to your age sedan/wagon equation
please no midlife crisis jargon

either way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its a fun car to drive.. nice a quiet. To each his own i guess. I cannot understand a guy changing his exhaust just to make it sound cool ,,,,,,,,,,but there you go the voice of a baby boomer!
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Old 12-09-2001, 02:17 PM   #22
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No question for me. Traded an '00 Nissan Frontier SE Desert Runner two weeks ago on an '02 alpine white wagon. I didn't even drive a sedan (probably to avoid causing unnecessary purchase angst).

The deal-sealer for me (other than sheer cargo volume - need that space for fishing rods, camping gear, pets, etc.) was the cool roof spoiler on the wagon. Plus, the white one I got looks way cool with 20% tint job all around... More glass=more heat, which is a tough thing here in south Florida, but space, space, space=more utility.

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Old 12-09-2001, 04:09 PM   #23
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If I were buying a WRX (I may be in a year or so) I would get the Wagon. I'm 23 (a youngun), but to me "image" doesn't matter and I've never really cared about that (I drive an Accord v6 sedan for crying out loud! ). The Wagon has more room and is more practical for me so that's what I'd probably get.

Plus cheaper prices and lower insurance rates (from what I've heard) are a positive too

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Old 12-09-2001, 04:27 PM   #24
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biggest problem w/ the sedan is if you haul stuff. i would have gone w/ the sedan but it lacked one thing all my previous sedans had - a 60/40 split fold down seat. those things are great and you can fit more stuff and more odd shaped stuff in ( although still not as good as a wagon ). quite frankly, that little trunk passthrough on the sedan is a joke. a lot of cars have those little passthroughs, and they are a joke. most you can fit is maybe a 2x4 or a few skis and thats it. if i never carry stuff around in my car, it might not be a problem, but i do, and you get a lot of space in the wagon plus its a BLAST to drive. i just get wigged out when my friends are like - "you got a wagon?!? whats your problem", then i laugh, cuz they're just jealous i got a cool car and they don't
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Old 12-09-2001, 09:12 PM   #25
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Quote:
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pros : it's a wagon.

cons : you'll have the odd sedan owner question your masculinity once in a while.

fair tradeoff, i say. i got me a wagon.
Once you explain what there is plenty of room for when you fold down the seats they will stop questioning you
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