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Old 04-17-2008, 12:14 AM   #1
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I've been reading a bunch of different threads discussing the options for BG (wagon) suspension. I wanted to start a thread discussing specifically the wagon (since I own one ) and what can be done. This is mostly for me to think out loud and get input as well.

It seems everyone dreads the saggy butt. So I am keeping my list to wagon specific struts/springs, no sedan stuff here. In my experience saggy butt is a result of using sedan springs on a wagon, so in using wagon specific springs it should not be an issue. As mentioned in other threads you must use corresponding year tophats with struts. BG struts get BG tops, Bugeye struts get bugeye tops, etc etc. Aftermarket and Group -N- tops made for the corresponding year may be substituted. Of note is most OEM housings have a Koni Insert made for them just as another option. Also of note is sedan struts can be used but cause a reduction in camber, which can be rectified a couple of ways. However my list is for wagon specific struts. I'm also leaving coilovers out of the list because you can obviously avoid saggy butt with any coilover.

Here's what I've turned up in my research for possible combinations:

BG Suspension
-OEM Struts with Whiteline springs
-OEM Struts with JDM BG Pink Springs (yes there are JDM Pinks for BG's)
-KYB GR2 Struts with either above spring

GF Suspension
-OEM Struts with KING Springs (Must import springs from Australia)
-GR2's with above

02-03 WRX Wagon
-OEM Struts with Whiteline springs
-OEM Struts with Swift Springs (I use these on my 02 WRX Wagon, no saggy butt)
-OEM Struts with King Springs (must import springs from Aus.)
-KYB GR2's With either above
-JDM Adjustable STI Wagon Struts with above springs (PRICEY!)
-JDM STI Wagon take off suspension (If you can find it)
(there's a possibility JDM STI Pink springs may work, but the same part number is listed for sedan and wagon so it's questionable)

04+ WRX Wagon
-OEM Struts with Whiteline Springs
-OEM Struts with Swift Springs
-OEM Stuts with Racecomp Engineering Wagon springs

Of interest is Whiteline makes two different springs, Control and Flat Out. Basically, Control Springs lower less and are street friendly, and Flat Out lower more and are stiffer.

Last I knew, www.rallispec.com can get just about any JDM part brand new. So if you had the loot, you could probably order bugeye wagon JDM STI struts/springs, but again not sure of the saggy butt results.

Whiteline makes camber/toe adjustable rear lateral links for the BG. This is something to consider if you want to use sedan struts instead of wagon struts.

BG's share the same trailing links with all the Imprezas, so any aftermarket trailing link (such as JDM STI Links) can be used in the BG chassis.

As far as I know BG wagon and BD sedan sway bars are the same, so sway bars are available from Whiteline and Cusco. Whiteline also has front/rear strut bars.

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www.rallispec.com
www.whiteline.com.au
www.japanparts.com
www.swiftsprings.com
www.racecompengineering.com
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:19 AM   #2
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Sounds like you're quite on, for you information. BD swaybars are the same as BG and BK swaybars, definitely (BK and BG being no different for suspension applications, but both are 2nd gen wagons, so don't worry about it too much).

I can be a smartass and say that there's no GC8 wagon springs made, because the GC8 is a WRX sedan I don't know much about the Impreza aftermarket, but I find it hard to believe that there is no aftermarket springs available for the GF at all. There's gotta be something out there. Regardless, those springs could possibly still be subject to sag, considering the GF is a good 200-400 lbs lighter than the BK/BG. Although I think it would take a bit longer to find out that sag.
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:34 AM   #3
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I can be a smartass and say that there's no GC8 wagon springs made, because the GC8 is a WRX sedan I don't know much about the Impreza aftermarket, but I find it hard to believe that there is no aftermarket springs available for the GF at all. There's gotta be something out there. Regardless, those springs could possibly still be subject to sag, considering the GF is a good 200-400 lbs lighter than the BK/BG. Although I think it would take a bit longer to find out that sag.
I was just mentioning the GC chassis for those that may consider using GC KYB AGX's (sedan specific) so they realize there's no GF specific spring. I should have worded it better. But between your post and this one it's all cleared up I edited my stupidity in the first post.
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:41 AM   #4
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Oh yeah and if you find a listing for GF springs pass it along, I haven't been able to find anything. Everything I found is listed to fit both GC and GF. Nothing was GF specific.

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Old 04-17-2008, 08:16 AM   #5
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Uh, there are GF specific springs. Prodrive, STi et al.

You also want to add King Springs to your list of suppliers - they make more springs than Whiteline, and are Australian based. They offer upgraded springs for all Legacy wagon types, Outback, 2.5L, EJ20H etc

I will be using King Springs Low & KYB GR-2s on my BK/BG.

iON springs are a possibility, also RS*R springs.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:07 PM   #6
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Uh, there are GF specific springs. Prodrive, STi et al.

You also want to add King Springs to your list of suppliers - they make more springs than Whiteline, and are Australian based. They offer upgraded springs for all Legacy wagon types, Outback, 2.5L, EJ20H etc

I will be using King Springs Low & KYB GR-2s on my BK/BG.

iON springs are a possibility, also RS*R springs.
Awesome info

Where did you see GF STI and Prodrive Springs? Does King Springs have a US distributor or are they only available imported from Aus.? From the looks of their website they only sell in Aus., not North America. Looks like they have Bugeye wagon specific springs and GF specific springs. So there we are, a GF specific spring. I never heard of King, but then again I don't live in AUS and they don't export to NA so go figure.

Ion Performance's website doesn't list any products.

According to RS*R's website, they only carry Ti2000 springs for 02+ sedans and 05+ LGT's, nothing wagon specific.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:43 PM   #7
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^^ I actually have King Springs (Low) on my old GF wagon... they dropped 30mm all round and nicely tucked the wheels. They're progressively wound and pair up GREAT with just about every strut made for that car from OEM thru to KYB AGX to Bilstein to OEM STi.

They do make spring specifically for 2.5L, 2.2L and 2.0L Legacies/Liberties. They do have a US distributor (name escapes me) but the shipping is prohibitive. I have a set of Kings sitting in my living room waiting to be thrown onto my wagon, they're specific fitment for 2.5L non-turbo Legacy/Liberty. I did haul them back through customs in my bags, but they only weighed about 15kg all up.

GF fitment STI and Prodrive springs are available through Subaru NZ or Prodrive NZ...most parts slingers in the southern hemisphere either have them, or can get them. They're not as rare as people make out.
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Old 04-18-2008, 12:34 AM   #8
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GF fitment STI and Prodrive springs are available through Subaru NZ or Prodrive NZ...most parts slingers in the southern hemisphere either have them, or can get them. They're not as rare as people make out.
Alright, but I don't live in the southern hemisphere, I live in the Northern Hemishpere, in North America, on the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club (discussing Legacy's) Seriously though, that's cool you shared the info. I appreciate it. It would be cool if you listed an existing vendor to buy the stuff from. I don't think people are going to put the time into contacting someone from Australia and searching google for .nz's to import springs from there when they have options available for springs already here in the US market, but none-the-less if you can site a source I'll list it above.
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I contacted King Springs direct and got a shipping quote from them. If people can't be bothered to do that, why would they bother installing springs?
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Here's the iON's w/ GR2's on the BG:

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Old 04-18-2008, 11:39 PM   #11
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^ That is one clean wagon you got there. How does it ride and whats your height from ground to bottom door edge with them?
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Old 04-18-2008, 11:45 PM   #12
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I contacted King Springs direct and got a shipping quote from them. If people can't be bothered to do that, why would they bother installing springs?
Thank you for your useless banter.

Personally I think spending more money on shipping springs from Australia versus spending less money to buy springs already available in the US is a waste of money, and time. Maybe you would like me to search out Spring manufacturers in Egypt and India while I'm at it. Lets list all the spring manufacturers in the world so we can debate about where to get them from and how simple it is to find Korean made Tein knock offs.

Now maybe we can get back on topic.

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Old 04-18-2008, 11:54 PM   #13
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Here's the iON's w/ GR2's on the BG:

Are they BG Ion's, or WRX Wagon stuff? I still can't get any info off of their website. I can find a list of cars products are made for and what seems like they should be links, yet that's as far as it goes.

http://www.ionperformance.com/subaru.html
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:24 AM   #14
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Thank you for your useless banter.
WTH??? You started a thread asking about spring makers for the BG/BK cars and I gave you some info - you didn't say JACK about them having to have a state-side distributor.

Forget you then.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:11 PM   #15
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calgearhead - she rides like a dream I'll see if I can get some measurements next week when the snow stops blowing and it actually warms up. Its my winter DD running on 205-50-16 Nokian RSi's, with the correct 205-55-16 it'd look like it has even less fender gap.

rexorama - those are iON's for the BG manual tranny. They're local to me, had to special order them. I've tried the WRX & STi Impreza stuff and the ride quality really suffered, along with having a saggy ass even w/ the WRX wagon suspension. All I've got to say is do it right the first time. Ended up wasting money on the other suspensions & for installing/uninstalling + all the alignments. iON's stuff is top notch stuff, would've saved me more money to do that directly.
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Thank you for your useless banter.

Personally I think spending more money on shipping springs from Australia versus spending less money to buy springs already available in the US is a waste of money, and time. Maybe you would like me to search out Spring manufacturers in Egypt and India while I'm at it. Lets list all the spring manufacturers in the world so we can debate about where to get them from and how simple it is to find Korean made Tein knock offs.

Now maybe we can get back on topic.
Wow. Are you serious? Huffer offers you help, gives you a name and personal experience about said springs and says he hasn't searched for a US distributor (why would he? he can grab what he wants on his travel overseas where parts are more plentiful and cheaper). You can just as easily search for the distributor as he can, and since he has nothing to gain, than why would he search for you?

Huffer, while you're at it, I've got a fluid dynamics test coming up next week. It's over chapters 6-10, can you study for me?

I guess, I don't know why you're in such a huff over something that has plenty of documentation here on NASIOC if you simply searched. We're being nice by not telling you to search and actually supplying answers.




FWIW, Eibach Pro-kit springs for the Subaru Legacy BD (sedan). Progressive springs means the back end doesn't sag. Because the springs are also compressed, the rear is slightly stiffer.

Also, when talking about using later model impreza equipment, specifically struts or coil overs, it might be pertinent to find out if where the struts connect at the top, if they are at the same heights as the BK/BG wagons are. I don't believe WRX's and BG/Bk's are the same.
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wheres a good place o buy the ION springs for my 98 Legacy L wagon ?? I can't seem to find them anywhere....
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IllNastyImpreza - the best place would be from the source -> iON Performance: info@ionperformance.com
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doesn't list any prices on thier website.... what should I be expecting to pay for a set of thier springs ??

I'm still debating on whether to just go with the OBX coilover sleeves and springs on the GR2s.... (I gotta find the spring rate)
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IllNastyImpreza - what you pay in total will be a function of where you're located (ie: shipping costs), method of payment etc. Locally we have to pay GST (5% goods & services tax on top).
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IllNastyImpreza - what you pay in total will be a function of where you're located (ie: shipping costs), method of payment etc. Locally we have to pay GST (5% goods & services tax on top).
ballpark total ?? I didn't see ANY prices...
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