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Old 04-17-2008, 09:57 AM   #1
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Default How close are our STIs to the rally car?

I would like to know how close are our cars compared to the rally car.
I know ours is a 2.5ltrs and they have the mandatory 2.0ltrs in rally events, also they have ripped out the interiors.
But in terms of components, transmision, suspension etc.
I have a friend that drives a srt4 and think subaru drivers are cocky and think we have a rally car and it isnt, please let me know how close we are to the real rally car to shut him with facts!
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:00 AM   #2
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Stock is set up for a really competitive amatuer
Pro set up is a big difference...if you have to ask you should do your own research.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:05 AM   #3
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Stock is set up for a really competitive amatuer
Pro set up is a big difference...if you have to ask you should do your own research.
Thats why I posted here!
Is there anything (Components) we share with the rally car?
PD I'm not talking about engine management.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:07 AM   #4
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With the WRC car the only thing is the shell and even it is heavily modified.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:08 AM   #5
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Thats why I posted here!
Is there anything (Components) we share with the rally car?
PD I'm not talking about engine management.
No.

the street car is not remotely the same as the rally car

not even close

perhaps a very distant 2nd cousin


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Old 04-17-2008, 10:08 AM   #6
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Depends on what class you're talking about running. We share some similar parts (mostly changes in rubber durometer) in terms of suspension with Group-N cars, but compared to the WRC car which starts life as a stripped chassis, we're quite a bit different. Search on google for images of the WRC car engine, and compare it to yours. Pretty sweet looking, too bad we don't get it
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:11 AM   #7
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There was a video on Discovery Channel or youtube that explained what went into a Subaru WRC car. For what it's worth, the only thing that we share in common is the outside shell. Other than that, the engine and almost everything inside is entirely different.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:13 AM   #8
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Our cars are about as close to a rally car as an SRT-4 is. Subarus just have the image, and heritage of rally racing. The only claim to fame is the AWD, and as we've seen FWD is equally, if not more competitive. In the real world though, sure, I'll buy a car for the image plus real world benefits and fun of AWD.

Since we're a community, and we think as a community (bizarre) we're more perceptive of the drivers of other cars. IMHO, I think it's everyone's right to own the car they want and it be as fast as they want - the SRT-4 filled a new demographic and I applaud it. Unfortunately, a majority of the owners have realized this too and done everything they can to be the biggest asses on the planet to prove it. That stigma I could never live with.

I can completely understand where the SRT-4 driver is coming from though.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:13 AM   #9
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I'd venture a guess that they share about 10%-15% of their parts... max.

-Different engines
-Different trans (sequential-sp)
-Different suspension (god knows my STi trys to bounce itself off even the tamest dirt roads)
-Different drivetrain (axles, driveshafts, ect...)
-Different brakes (Brembos are two damn big for rally rims)
-Gutted interior.
- Low weight glass.
-Different body panels (probably things like door skins are the same though)

Your friend is right. While the STi/WRX has parts that have been developed through years of rally racing, they share almost no parts with an actual WRC car. Although plenty of people race in amature classes with stock, or much closer to stock cars.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:23 AM   #10
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even the WRC shell is not similar to an sti. each shell has to be torn apart and welded by hand back together, bc factory machines only spot weld the chassis plus all crititcal points are strenthened . The WRC engine sits about 4-5 inches lower in the car to lower the center of gravity. looks cool too
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:25 AM   #11
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Thanks for your honest replies!
I did some research and found that the rally car does only 3 mpg and has 300 hp like our STIs and run 12.8 sec @ 104 mph in the 1/4.
How do you explain that?
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:28 AM   #12
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Thanks for your honest replies!
I did some research and found that the rally car does only 3 mpg and has 300 hp like our STIs and run 12.8 sec @ 104 mph in the 1/4.
How do you explain that?
Better trans.
Lower weight.
Better tires.

Hell, I could strip the interior out of my bone stock STi and run low 13's, high 12's.

Edit: Well not with me driving, but a good driver

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Old 04-17-2008, 10:34 AM   #13
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Eh, overall the production STi and WRC car have about as much in common as this:




has with this:




As said, not very much.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:38 AM   #14
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Thanks for your honest replies!
I did some research and found that the rally car does only 3 mpg and has 300 hp like our STIs and run 12.8 sec @ 104 mph in the 1/4.
How do you explain that?
All WRC cars are limited to 300hp and built more for high torque rather than horsepower and top speed.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:39 AM   #15
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But more than a NASCAR "stock" car shares with its road going versions.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:41 AM   #16
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the rally car does only 3 mpg
I would be interested to hear the answer to that one.... I'm sure the ECU is tuned aggressively, and the car is operated at or near WOT most of the time, but that is a big drop.... I figured it would do a little better than that. Maybe it's burning fuel to run an anti-lag system as well. I essentially have no idea.
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Yes, the WRC cars are burning fuel for anti-lag. But it is more the wide open throttle. I used to race an MGB, maybe 100 HP. On the track it got 6 MPG. On the road, 25 or so.

And by the way, in US rallying, in Production GT class, it is the street car rallying with limited mods.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:47 AM   #18
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But more than a NASCAR "stock" car shares with its road going versions.


A



And a



Have more in common than any late model Nascar examples and their road going predecessors have in common.

"Stock Car" my ass.

Alright... I'll stop with the pictures now.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:54 AM   #19
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Well, it shares the same name
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Ya different everything. Plus get a new friend that doesnt drive a srt4.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:59 AM   #21
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Its hard to compare the quarter mile performance of a rally car to our stock STI's. The rally car is designed to be a torque monster where it can rocket out of corners and slow turns. It is designed to be extremely responsive, pluss its a good bit lighter than a stock STI.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:05 AM   #22
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Well, let's see...the WRC STi's transmission is more expensive than 2 STis, soooo...

Not a whole lot.
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:05 AM   #23
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plus the rally cup STi's seats are basically in the middle of the car right beside the b-pillar. the dash is pushed back like a foot for better center of gravity. paddle shifter. vertical e-brake handle 2-step...ect ect ect. plus a very sexy black felt/suede dash 2 reduce glare
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go jump your sti 40 feet and you'll find out
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:09 AM   #25
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Bottom line..
Our cars are just civilized AWD cars with blue interiors and pink badges?
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