2010 Audi S4 to get a supercharged V6, increases fuel-economy

AVANTI R5 · 04-24-2008, 01:12 PM

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While those you that have a little more cash to throw around wait on the next-generation Audi RS4 which rumored to get 450-hp (an increase of 30-hp from its predecessor), many of us more ‘frugal’ buyers are wondering what Audi has planned for the S4.
According to CARandDRIVER, the current 4.2 liter V8 will be replaced by a supercharged 3.0L V6 producing close to the same 340-hp. Why the switch to a V6 from a V8? Fuel-efficiency. In order to increase fuel-economy by 20% to 23.3mpg on the European cycle, Audi will downgrade to a V6.

Worry not though, that still gives the Audi S4 some serious power to leave the BMW 335i in its rear-view-mirror.
The 2010 Audi S4 is expected to make its debut after the 2008 Paris Motor Show in October, possible hitting the LA Auto Show in November.

Source: CARandDRIVER (via AutoBlog)

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/04/24...-fuel-economy/

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SubaDuba420 · 04-24-2008, 03:45 PM

isn't Audi a turbo company? Haven't they been dumping HUGE$$$ into direct injection turbo engine research? Aren't MOST other companies with FI vehicles switching away from superchargers to turbos? (Mini S, new Chevy SS/Solstice engine)

Nothing against it, love twin screw superchargers, just seems strange for Audi. Sure it'll be sweet ride.

AudiS1 · 04-24-2008, 04:11 PM

Audi is superior engineering compared to most any other company

BMW in a few years will get a S/C V6 also just like they copied the twin turbo V6 in their 335i

Only S/C kits i've seen were for the 2.8L inefficient V6's like in my old audi CS 90 quattro

Skunkers · 04-24-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AudiS1

Audi is superior engineering compared to most any other company

BMW in a few years will get a S/C V6 also just like they copied the twin turbo V6 in their 335i

Audi can't seem to engineer in-car electronics that don't break constantly. An issue a lot of other companies don't seem to have. Including Korean and American makes.

And ironically... there is no twin-turbo V6 in the 335i, so... no.

Fitz12444 · 04-24-2008, 04:40 PM

never heard of any problems with the Audi in-car electronics.. with that said they build one hell of a car inside and out and im glad mine has the v8. A few tuners are working on turbo kits so hopefully that happens in the near future. I have also heard a lot of talk that the new s4 will be a tt v6 so I will wait to see which route they go when its finally unveiled.

poleboy90 · 04-24-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitz12444

never heard of any problems with the Audi in-car electronics..

You cant be serious.

AllForSRT · 04-24-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

isn't Audi a turbo company? Haven't they been dumping HUGE$$$ into direct injection turbo engine research? Aren't MOST other companies with FI vehicles switching away from superchargers to turbos? (Mini S, new Chevy SS/Solstice engine)

Nothing against it, love twin screw superchargers, just seems strange for Audi. Sure it'll be sweet ride.

those motors are tiny and running a turbo is more efficent in a smaller displacement motor. However with DI and a V6 a supercharger can be almost as efficent as a turbo.

Maybe this will have a similar adaptation to the AMG Supercharger?

Len · 04-24-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitz12444

never heard of any problems with the Audi in-car electronics..

Were you cryogenically frozen in the 60's and woke up like just now?

imprezilization · 04-25-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AudiS1

Audi is superior engineering compared to most any other company

BMW in a few years will get a S/C V6 also just like they copied the twin turbo V6 in their 335i

Only S/C kits i've seen were for the 2.8L inefficient V6's like in my old audi CS 90 quattro

hey Audi fanboi, get your facts straight

IMPREZ A WRX · 04-25-2008, 08:11 AM

supercharge or turbocharge it doesn't matter, Audi's will always be slower stock than their competitor and a lot more things

Fitz12444 · 04-25-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Len

Were you cryogenically frozen in the 60's and woke up like just now?

actually I wasn't born until the 80's and if you think problems from 40 years ago have any relevance to cars made today then I dont know what to tell you... I also dont know of any car in the 60's that wasnt plagued with problems not seen in modern cars. Look at what Subaru produced back then, is it any way comparable to today's cars? All I am saying is that new Audi's do not generally have electronics issues. Years ago sure, but in the recent future things have been great and I assume a 2010 car will be the same.

2000wrx · 04-25-2008, 12:40 PM

okay okay, your right... Audi's have a great reliability record our bad

Skunkers · 04-25-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitz12444

All I am saying is that new Audi's do not generally have electronics issues. Years ago sure, but in the recent future things have been great and I assume a 2010 car will be the same.

What we're saying is that they do. Power window/lock problems, stereo problems, coil pack problems, etc. It doesn't take a lot of research to figure it out either. VAG group's reliability record is not very sturdy, especially not within the past 20 years or so.

I take the "engineering better than any other company" comments with a boulder-sized grain of salt as well.

mhoward1 · 04-25-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skunkers

What we're saying is that they do. Power window/lock problems, stereo problems, coil pack problems, etc. It doesn't take a lot of research to figure it out either. VAG group's reliability record is not very sturdy, especially not within the past 20 years or so.

I take the "engineering better than any other company" comments with a boulder-sized grain of salt as well.

Don't forget the headlight control module mounted at the knee impact panel.

Len · 04-25-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitz12444

actually I wasn't born until the 80's and if you think problems from 40 years ago have any relevance to cars made today then I dont know what to tell you... I also dont know of any car in the 60's that wasnt plagued with problems not seen in modern cars. Look at what Subaru produced back then, is it any way comparable to today's cars? All I am saying is that new Audi's do not generally have electronics issues. Years ago sure, but in the recent future things have been great and I assume a 2010 car will be the same.

Man you took that seriously.

IMO the biggest car myth among non-car people = German cars are reliable.

It not only is untrue, in fact the exact oppsite is true. And I'm talking about now, not in the 60's.

naimouasta · 04-26-2008, 12:42 AM

not an audi, but close enough and pretty new, set itself on fire.

DeeezNuuuts83 · 04-26-2008, 01:09 AM

^ Out of curiosity, where is the fire damage? All I see is a huge hole in the windshield. Normally, in case of emergency, people exit through the doors

Mike Wevrick · 04-26-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitz12444

actually I wasn't born until the 80's and if you think problems from 40 years ago have any relevance to cars made today then I dont know what to tell you... I also dont know of any car in the 60's that wasnt plagued with problems not seen in modern cars. Look at what Subaru produced back then, is it any way comparable to today's cars? All I am saying is that new Audi's do not generally have electronics issues. Years ago sure, but in the recent future things have been great and I assume a 2010 car will be the same.

I've been driving Subarus exclusively for 25 years. I had 2 '80s Subies and both were way more reliable than any modern German car, especially VW/Audi. My wife has a 2003 Benz with only 35k miles on it; it has been in the shop longer and cost more in repairs than all 4 of my Subies put together over the last 25 years.

imprezilization · 04-27-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by naimouasta

not an audi, but close enough and pretty new, set itself on fire.

did the driver jump through the windshield cuz the seat caught on fire?

Dogbert2 · 04-27-2008, 02:00 AM

If I remember correctly, the car caught fire while it was parked. The fire started under the dash somewhere.

AllForSRT · 04-27-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogbert2

If I remember correctly, the car caught fire while it was parked. The fire started under the dash somewhere.

is there a recall on it ? if not then why are we discussing it? car's catch fire a lot

Mike Wevrick · 04-27-2008, 10:06 PM

^^Um, no, parked cars almost never catch fire by themselves and certainly not new cars.

mpaone · 04-29-2008, 04:27 PM

That R32 fire was the result of aftermarket mods not divulged by the owner... don't ask me how I know.

-Mike.

imprezilization · 04-29-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mpaone

That R32 fire was the result of aftermarket mods not divulged by the owner... don't ask me how I know.

-Mike.

ok, so HOW DO YOU KNOW?

SLegacy99 · 04-29-2008, 08:09 PM

I miss the 2.7L TT.

This doesnt sounds like a bad idea....Im all for fuel economy.

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04-24-2008, 03:45 PM	#2
SubaDuba420 Scooby Specialist Member#: 102793 Join Date: Dec 2005 Chapter/Region: NESIC Vehicle: 2008 STi DGM	isn't Audi a turbo company? Haven't they been dumping HUGE$$$ into direct injection turbo engine research? Aren't MOST other companies with FI vehicles switching away from superchargers to turbos? (Mini S, new Chevy SS/Solstice engine) Nothing against it, love twin screw superchargers, just seems strange for Audi. Sure it'll be sweet ride.

04-24-2008, 04:11 PM	#3
AudiS1 Scooby Newbie Member#: 176125 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North of Chicago	Audi is superior engineering compared to most any other company BMW in a few years will get a S/C V6 also just like they copied the twin turbo V6 in their 335i Only S/C kits i've seen were for the 2.8L inefficient V6's like in my old audi CS 90 quattro

04-24-2008, 04:40 PM	#5
Fitz12444 Scooby Specialist Member#: 67355 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: CT Vehicle: 2005 Audi S4 2004 GSXR600	never heard of any problems with the Audi in-car electronics.. with that said they build one hell of a car inside and out and im glad mine has the v8. A few tuners are working on turbo kits so hopefully that happens in the near future. I have also heard a lot of talk that the new s4 will be a tt v6 so I will wait to see which route they go when its finally unveiled.

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IMPREZ A WRX * Banned * Member#: 172438 Join Date: Feb 2008	supercharge or turbocharge it doesn't matter, Audi's will always be slower stock than their competitor and a lot more things

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naimouasta Scooby Specialist Member#: 47998 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon 2008 Legacy QSM	not an audi, but close enough and pretty new, set itself on fire.

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DeeezNuuuts83 Scooby Specialist Member#: 34406 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Vehicle: 2006 Evolution IX graphite gray	^ Out of curiosity, where is the fire damage? All I see is a huge hole in the windshield. Normally, in case of emergency, people exit through the doors

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Dogbert2 Scooby Newbie Member#: 6641 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St. Louis, MO	If I remember correctly, the car caught fire while it was parked. The fire started under the dash somewhere.

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