FL Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services - Div. of Licensing - 'Concealed Carry'

[Janq]

The state of Florida was the second state to introduce state wide 'shall-issue' concealed carry licensing in America. Washington state has had same since 1961 but it's a statistically small state. Florida on the other hand has had as much since 1987 and in over 20 yrs. the blood has _not_ been flowing in their streets by the hands of lawfully owned gun holders nor by specifically persons licensed by the state to carry concealed firearms.
Florida unlike Washington state is a major statistically significant state with multiple metropolitan areas as well as an extremely diverse population in age, tax base, ethnicity, beliefs, and background. It is in effect a roughly 1:1 representation of America at large, so say the U.S. Census Bureau; http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

Below are statistical reports developed and output by Florida itself.
No spin, not sourced or studied by some no name professor funded vis a vis 'We * Guns' organization, no BS. This information comes from Florida state govt. as tracked by the state per reports of issue and crime by the state.

One should read through this information in whole on their own but here are a few quick snap shot stats as sourced from the data...

Florida Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services - Division of Licensing

* 1,346,074 license applications received since 1987
* 1,328,991 licenses issued since 1987
* 490,760 total 'active' licensees current as of 03.21.08

* 7,907 applications denied
2,852 denied due to criminal history
5,055 denied due to incomplete application submitted

* 4,179 total licenses revoked
66 clemency rule change or legislative change
10 illegible prints with no subsequent applicant response
514 crime prior to licensure (meaning after license was applied for but before license was approved and issued)
3,468 crime after licensure
165 revoked since 1987 because of unlawful/criminal firearm use in specific
121 other
505 licenses reinstated (Statistics regarding number of licenses reinstated not maintained prior to January 1990.)

* 18,089,888 Florida population - 2006 estimate
Source - http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html

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Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
Division of Licensing
Charles H. Bronson, Commissioner - W. H. "Buddy" Bevis, Director

Statistical Reports

Total Active Licensees Reports

* Number of Licensees by Type as of: 3/31/2008

Chapter 493 Reports

* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2007 - March 31, 2008
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2006 - June 30, 2007
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2005 - June 30, 2006
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2004 - June 30, 2005
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2003 - June 30, 2004
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2002 - June 30, 2003
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2001 - June 30, 2002
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 2000 - June 30, 2001
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 1999 - June 30, 2000
* Administrative Actions- July 01, 1998 - June 30, 1999
* Individual Licenses by County
* Agency Licenses by County


Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Reports

* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2007 - March 31, 2008 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2006 - June 30, 2007 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2005 - June 30, 2006 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2004 - June 30, 2005 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2003 - June 30, 2004 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2002 - June 30, 2003 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2001 - June 30, 2002 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 2000 - June 30, 2001 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 1999 - June 30, 2000 [PDF]
* Applications & Dispositions- July 01, 1998 - June 30, 1999 [PDF]
* Monthly Summary Report
* License Holder Profile Report
* Number of Applications Distributed
* License Holders by County

Source - http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/reports.html

The next time someone, anyone, tries to argue that citizens should not have access to guns and that in specific licensed citizen concealed carry is dangerous and that it just leads to crime and criminal victimization by said lawfully permitted/licensed persons and that blood does and will flow in the street, then simply point them to this very detailed report of proof that their assumption is completely and utterly wrong.

- Charles H. Bronson, Commissioner, Florida Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services - Division of Licensing

"I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations." - Barack Obama, April 2, 2008
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html

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[El Camino]

Janq, in teh yuor OT?

It's more likely than you think.

[benjaminetanyahoo]

It's been a long time since I've seen a thread from you. Or maybe I don't spend enough time in OT.

[Mr.Sparkle]

Let the janq humping begin.

[jpicheva]

Hi Janq!

Is that guy's name really Charles Bronson?

[imprezton]

So did Janq finally get debugged?

[Janq]

Originally Posted by benjaminetanyahoo

It's been a long time since I've seen a thread from you. Or maybe I don't spend enough time in OT.

Ben,

I haven't been here in a very long time, muchless to start a thread.
I've stopped in a couple of times to pay respects upon hearing of folk I like being hurt up and such but otherwise I've been on an OT hiatus.

Anyway this bit of info in specific is current and relevant and I figured the Subie gun nuts would appreciate it.

- Janq

P.S. - Yes Chieva, dudes name for real is Charlie Bronson!
I cracked up laughing upon receiving the FL CCL permit package via postal mail and right there on the envelope in huge letters is his name...chief poobah of gun licensing for Florida.

[ZMANNH25rs]

In a world where personal responsibility has seemed to go the way of the Unicorn, I just don't think enough people are capable of carrying a gun safely as these laws allow for. Just like most everything else, I am sure the overwhelming majority of people who carry do so properly and without incident...but it is that small percentage of people who don't that makes me lean towards feeling against this...

[PhatheadWRX]

Woo Hoo! Florida does one thing right.

I never realized we were one of the few states to do this.
We also have the newish "you can shoot someone cold in the street" law

[scaryfastskier]

Charles bronson! !!!

Nice post. This will prove usefull to me in future debates.

Oh, and I miss your posts. One specific reason being because you cite articles, link them, format them and copy them into a post. Very good ettitiqutte. And I like your stories.

Grant

[Janq]

Z,

That small percentage you have concern toward as based on proof in the pudding makes up for Florida in specific 165 out of 1,328,991 total licensees issued since license #1 in 1987.
The percentage works out to be an infinitesimal 0.000124154% against the whole.

If you take in to account all 3,468 post licensure revocations for any given reason and not just those above specific to unlawful use of a firearm then the number grows but statistically not enough to be of any real concern at 0.002609498%.

BTW check the Florida census link I provided.
As I'd stated Florida is one of the very few states in the US that on a broad across the board base represents America as it is on the whole in most every way imaginable.

- Janq

[Mayor McCheese]

Dear Florida,

Get off our sack.

_Washington

[boxered]

Yeah, I'm about to take the plunge and apply, FL scares me..

[Asinine]

* 4,179 total licenses revoked
66 clemency rule change or legislative change
10 illegible prints with no subsequent applicant response
514 crime prior to licensure (meaning after license was applied for but before license was approved and issued)
3,468 crime after licensure
165 revoked since 1987 because of unlawful/criminal firearm use in specific
121 other
505 licenses reinstated (Statistics regarding number of licenses reinstated not maintained prior to January 1990.)

I call bulls***. Everyone knows that legally obtained firearms are not used in crime.

Also, Charles Bronson's name is all over every gas pump in the state. It's kind of funny--but also very reassuring to know that such a badass is making sure that the pumps give you what you pay for!

[jpicheva]

Originally Posted by Asinine

Also, Charles Bronson's name is all over every gas pump in the state. It's kind of funny--but also very reassuring to know that such a badass is making sure that the pumps give you what you pay for!

[Kiel]

Originally Posted by Asinine

I call bulls***. Everyone knows that legally obtained firearms are not used in crime.

Also, Charles Bronson's name is all over every gas pump in the state. It's kind of funny--but also very reassuring to know that such a badass is making sure that the pumps give you what you pay for!

Probably an unrelated crime that ended up getting their license revoked as part of the aftereffects.

[Asinine]

Originally Posted by Kiel

Probably an unrelated crime that ended up getting their license revoked as part of the aftereffects.

I bet it was tampering with gas pump meters

[PhatheadWRX]

Originally Posted by Janq

As I'd stated Florida is one of the very few states in the US that on a broad across the board base represents America as it is on the whole in most every way imaginable.

- Janq

Very true.

N Florida = Mississippi and Alabama
S Florida = New York & So. Cal
Key West = San Fransisco

[Asinine]

Ne Fl = Sc

[Janq]

Originally Posted by Asinine

I call bulls***. Everyone knows that legally obtained firearms are not used in crime.

Asinine,

That number is the total number of licenses that have been revoked overall for any crime in general.
That includes crimes such as drunk driving, drug possession, domestic abuse, assault, making threats, operating an unlicensed vehicle and/or with no drivers license, theft, hiring a hooker, etc. Any and all crimes of any sort which bam can result in instant revocation of ones CCL license.
Only 165 of that total, as stated, were specifically applicable toward CCL holder use of a firearm in commission of a crime.
Not that statistically the difference between the two are much of anything against the whole. See my post above to ZMann.

Bottom line, Florida is okay and has been doing fine with it's CCL citizens.
America at large has been same and will be okay contrary to very popular assumption to the contrary.
The people who carry guns and do not apply and submit themselves to licensing they are the ones folks should be concerned with, and they are generally referred to by their professional moniker of 'criminal'.

Not the picture of an average state licensed legal to carry Floridian/American


I submitted an out of state app. to FL ~3 weeks ago and folks should see the documentation required along with duplicate fingerprint cards to which I had to pay money to have made by my local PD, who themselves requested clearance info from me as well....just to get fingerprints made (!).
Criminals and criminal minded people on the whole are not going to submit themselves to as much and again as based on the above information that has been proven to be the case.

- Janq

[jpicheva]

[PhatheadWRX]

I dunno As9, I lived in Jacksonville for 4 years and it pretty much runs the gambit. Ghetto thugs on the north side (there were around 1 murder / day for the first 100 days in 2007). Rednecks on the west side. Stoners at Jax Beach. Rich snobs in the SE side.

[ZMANNH25rs]

Originally Posted by Janq

Z,

That small percentage you have concern toward as based on proof in the pudding makes up for Florida in specific 165 out of 1,328,991 total licensees issued since license #1 in 1987.
The percentage works out to be an infinitesimal 0.000124154% against the whole.

If you take in to account all 3,468 post licensure revocations for any given reason and not just those above specific to unlawful use of a firearm then the number grows but statistically not enough to be of any real concern at 0.002609498%.

BTW check the Florida census link I provided.
As I'd stated Florida is one of the very few states in the US that on a broad across the board base represents America as it is on the whole in most every way imaginable.

- Janq

So 3468 revocations are an acceptable amount of improper use ? What ever it worked out to statitcally it still works out to 3468 people who did not follow the laws and used their guns improperly. All it takes is for one of those people to shoot a child or rob a store or kill someone in a heated exchange or road rage or something of the sort. Again, I agree that the overwhelming majority of people who carry legally do so properly, but just like the saying goes "a couple of bad apples can spoil the bunch". You and your ilk that carry properly are not my concern at all, it is the people who will eventually use their guns improperly that I worry about. But with that said, many people don't even deserve a drivers license but that does not mean we should all be denied the right to have one...

[Howl]

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...tid=1517402190 (NWS - Language)

And then:

http://www.tmz.com/2008/04/23/teen-p...angsta-granny/

[boxered]

*bitter and clinging to gun*