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Old 04-25-2008, 08:39 PM   #1
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my headlights are really weak. Even with the brights on it seems like there is a candle in there thats about to go out. so my question is.. are all of the bugeye headlights like that? or can i buy better bulbs to brighten them up? I dont really want to spend the money on an HID kit. Question 2 is.. if i can just get new bulbs, what type of bulbs do the stock 2002 bugeye headlights use and which bulbs would you recommend. ?

I apologize if this is a repost but i searched and couldn't find what i was looking for.

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Old 04-25-2008, 08:49 PM   #2
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sylvannia<sp> superstars

my bugeye uses 9007
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:03 PM   #3
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Props for you for NOT getting HID "kit". To be honest, 9007 isn't really a good bulb. Their light output is not as good as other designs. But since we are stuck with it, we have to make the best out of it.

Sylvania Silverstars are coated bulbs. Which means they coated the bulb with a blue tint so it gives you an optical illusion of brighter light. In fact, any tint over the bulb will decrease its light output. I would recommend Philips VisionPlus +30 for your lights. They are relatively cheap and better output than stock bulbs. Yes, 2002 and 2003 model years do use 9007.

The bulb will only give you very minimal differences. If you want a better output, spend a little more and get yourself a wiring harness. Unlike the stock harness where the bulbs are powered by the switch, wiring harness takes power from the battery and use the switch as a signal. There is a fair amount of voltage drop within the stock wiring. And light output is proportional to the voltage supplied. Removing the voltage drop would give you better light output.

Please read the Bugeye Bliss thread for more bugeye light info.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=943432
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:28 PM   #4
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ok thanks for the help! i will be upgrading my lights as soon as i get the time.
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Old 04-28-2008, 04:45 AM   #5
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check xenonexpert.com for apexcone HID conversion kit. i have had them in since november and love them. easy to install. i recommend that u check them out.
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I just ordered Philips X-treme power from SUVlights.com. They are supposed to be a notch above GE Nighthawks, which are arguably amongst the best (ie most lumens) 9007 bulbs on the market.

http://www.xp-lamp.com/
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:51 PM   #7
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check xenonexpert.com for apexcone HID conversion kit. i have had them in since november and love them. easy to install. i recommend that u check them out.

as PnP hid kits are brighter, they offer no advantage over a halogen bulb. they are actually worse.

in most cases, especially in bugeyes, installation of PnP hid kits blind oncoming traffic, have horrendous beam patterns, and fool you into thinking you can see better.

the poor light output causes severe hotspotting, illuminating parts of the road more than others. this is dangerous, because your eyes will be tricked into looking at the wrong part of the road.

take spore's advice. get some plus-xx bulbs and a wiring harness. unless you want to invest in a fx35 projector retrofit, the philips bulbs and the wiring harness are the best option for a 2002-2003 bugeye.
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Trust me on the PnP on bugeye. I did thought of buying those HID kits at one point. Some vendors (don't want to point out any names here) told me that the beam pattern won't change and will be the same as you put in halogen bulbs. But after asking some member's with that vendor's product installed to their bugeye for pictures, do I found out the reality of things. The output is NOT the same.

Go drive up against a wall (preferably a white one), and switch on the low beam. You can still see a cutoff (faint and blurry, but still a cutoff). When you put in HID lights, that faint cutoff will become a blob of light. There is no control over where the light will be reflected on the reflector bowl. The light output is so horrible that you can not aim your headlights against a wall, but rather aim it randomly on a dark street.
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I like how there is always at least one person in these kinds of threads that jumps in and says how "awesome" their drop in kit is and claims it doesn't blind other drivers.
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:50 PM   #10
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yea P&P kits are very bad especially in 9007 Housings. The only thing difference between low and high beam pattern is the light source placement. Put in an HID bulb in there and it's like driving with half your low-beam and half your high beam pattern.. which is bad for everyone..but at least your car looks cool right?
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I like how there is always at least one person in these kinds of threads that jumps in and says how "awesome" their drop in kit is and claims it doesn't blind other drivers.
ha. you nailed it. + 1112344567
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i didn't know that a bugeye was that much different from my setup, which is the H1 bulb not the 9007. as for light, they are a ****load brighter then stocks and light up the road equally well on both sides. they aimed fine on my garage. by "that vendor" u mean the one ur not mentioning or where i got mine? i assumed that i wasn't blinding people b/c no one flashed their highs at me.
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i didn't know that a bugeye was that much different from my setup, which is the H1 bulb not the 9007. as for light, they are a ****load brighter then stocks and light up the road equally well on both sides. they aimed fine on my garage. by "that vendor" u mean the one ur not mentioning or where i got mine? i assumed that i wasn't blinding people b/c no one flashed their highs at me.
you have some reading to do my friend. rebased hid bulbs in a reflector made for halogen bulbs are a no-no. not to mention illegal.

in some cases the results may be better. 02-03 imprezas are by far the worst ive seen. just because you havent been highbeamed doesnt mean there isnt extra glare from your headlights making its way to other drivers eyes
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^ He as an outback. Who knows, maybe his reflectors actually make a better cutoff then the bugeyes, and maybe his headlights are aimed low enough so that noone flashed at him. Might just be the exception to the rule...

I was tempted by the bixenon kit as well... but it's more a temptation than a rationally justified step.

Look at driving conditions.
City driving, low beams from ANY car are more then enough. Heck I run on DRLs (and position lights) ALL the time in the city. No difference in safety, saves the bulb.
Want more light? Turn your fogs on. Stockers are not bad at all, if you want something uglier but more effective, retrofit Hella fogs.
You're in the dark driving fast with no oncoming traffic? High beams! (sorry if its a DUH advice, but I just cantunderstand how sometimes in the middle of the night on a freeway I still pass soccermom vans on LOW beams while I'm staring ahead for deers sending as much watts of light as I legally can ....)
You're in the dark driving slow? Do the 0$ bypass mod and have your fogs with high beams on.
You want to avoid deers at night? Put a pair of driving lights on. I praise them since the day I got them.
You dont have DRLs? Put the wire harness on.
You still want to boost your light output? Buy the Phillips or OSRAM or GE bulbs!

.. my 2 cents.
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what exactly is "cutoff?" the area between fogs and lows or the "pattern" seen on a wall? these are technically not rebased. at lest according to the company they aren't. they do have rebased PHILLIPS bulbs/kits. mine are made specifically for the Apexcone system.
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cutoff would be the pattern on the wall. the sharper and more defined it is, the less glare there is.

rebased bulbs can be considered any type exept for d2r and d2s bulbs. those are the only type of xenon bulbs there should be.
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I emailed Daniel Stern lighting the same question.

He recommended GE Night Hawk 9007NH or Philips Vision Plus 9007VP bulbs as the best 9007.

I have alo read about Philips Xtreme Power +80 but I have not found them anywhere.

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my headlights are really weak. Even with the brights on it seems like there is a candle in there thats about to go out. so my question is.. are all of the bugeye headlights like that? or can i buy better bulbs to brighten them up? I dont really want to spend the money on an HID kit. Question 2 is.. if i can just get new bulbs, what type of bulbs do the stock 2002 bugeye headlights use and which bulbs would you recommend. ?

I apologize if this is a repost but i searched and couldn't find what i was looking for.

thanks
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mmiller, I just ordered the Xtremepowers from suvlights
http://www.suvlights.com/product_inf...roducts_id=100
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good call to those ordering extreme powers. make sure you guys build yourself a harness!
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good call to those ordering extreme powers. make sure you guys build yourself a harness!
Aren't they still the same 55/60W as stock? If so, why is a harness needed?

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honestly before you spend ANY money on this, i'd just go ahead and get the best halogens you can buy:

Hella 90mm projector H9 units from rallylights.com

they're 60 dollars a piece plus ten bucks for pigtails to wire them and of course you need to find a way to mount them, like in the grill or whatever...

but once you do this you'll have spent way less than any other upgrade and you'll have the best lighting, with the proper optics (this is important!), that you can get...

a relay harness and new bulbs is a solution, but it really only restores the car to what it should be doing anyway and you're going to spend 80-120 anyway after all of the supplies and parts you buy.

120 for the lowbeams plus another 20-40 on wiring and mounting materials, and a good three hours of good-ol elbow grease, will give you the output of prodrive UK300 lights with half the cost.

the harness assures that there's less of a voltage drop through the wiring. the stock wiring is super long and drops a volt or three before the bulbs even see the juice.


spend that money towards the 90mm units and you'll have Ariel Atom headlights... not too shabby.
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Aren't they still the same 55/60W as stock? If so, why is a harness needed?

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a harness is needed to bypass subaru's horrible ground switched system.

by using your own relays and wiring harness, you can build a positive switched set up, giving the lights full voltage direct from the battery.
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ha. you nailed it. + 1112344567

I still see many BMW's and Other cars with OEM Hids blind the crap out of me. Regardless of if their oem, or scatter or not HIDS are bright and blind me weather its a ''sik mad tyte jdm vtec honda'' , or your regular BMW with their oem lighting.

I do however agree that we shouldnt be dropping HID kits in just for the hell of if ESPECIALLY if there are means to prevent the scatter.
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I still see many BMW's and Other cars with OEM Hids blind the crap out of me. Regardless of if their oem, or scatter or not HIDS are bright and blind me weather its a ''sik mad tyte jdm vtec honda'' , or your regular BMW with their oem lighting.

I do however agree that we shouldnt be dropping HID kits in just for the hell of if ESPECIALLY if there are means to prevent the scatter.
thanks for telling everyone in 2008 that, dumbass.
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