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Old 04-28-2008, 07:16 PM   #1
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New Bimmer....DS???? wow..I thought it would have went to AS....Esp 300hp...

Hmmmmm...the Suzuki SX(AWD) HS...now that could be a decent fit...

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Old 04-28-2008, 09:04 PM   #2
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KC is slacking - he wasn't the one to start this thread!
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:27 PM   #3
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:18 PM   #4
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135i in DS eh? that could be fun....
....where's the wife's checkbook
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:55 PM   #5
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I really like the rule changes they've been making to SM. It makes it easier to run TT-2 and SM without switching a lot stuff around.
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The 135i goes in DS because it can't be equipped with an LSD. With the LSD, it is an AS car.
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but if it turns into a huge overdog in DS, should it have been in AS or BS from the beginning. i can see the 128 in DS.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:29 PM   #8
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The SEB always reserves the right to reclass a car within 1 year of its initial listing. If it turns into an overdog in DS, it WILL be moved to AS or BS. Sucks for people buying one to run in DS, but those are the rules.
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The SEB always reserves the right to reclass a car within 1 year of its initial listing. If it turns into an overdog in DS, it WILL be moved to AS or BS. Sucks for people buying one to run in DS, but those are the rules.
Those are the rules, but that doesn't make it "right".

Looks like I'll run ladies class again. Sucks for those people running in DSL, but the rules allow me to do so. <shrug>
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They are trying to make DS faster. I talked to an SEB member last year about it at a DC event and they were already talking DS before the car even landed on US shores. I might get rid of the Evo RS for this plush pouncer of cones.
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They are trying to make DS faster.
So, it's okay to do something like putting both the 135i and the 128 into an already diverse class, but it's not okay to leave the STi and the Evo in a stagnant Corvette dominated class in order to speed that up?

Putting both the 135 and the 128 in the same stock class makes as much sense as putting the Cooper and the Cooper S in the same class, or the Z28 and the V6 version or the Mustang GT and the V6 Mustang. In fact, maybe I'll suggest that the Z28 be moved to GS.

Or, just maybe, the SEB can put the MCS in DS? Or if the 135i is faster than the MCS, maybe that just justifies leaving the MCS in GS?

Guess I need to write another letter....

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Old 04-30-2008, 09:03 AM   #12
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The electronic diff in the 135i doesn't seem to be as big of a hindrance as the sky is falling crowd were making it out to be. Watched a lightly modded one last weekend. No one wheel peeling coming off corners, and one of the comments was "it turns in like its got an open diff, but comes off the corner like it has a good lsd". It was cold out and the car didn't have Hoosiers under it. :shrug: I think the reign of the Type-R in DS may be over. And when will the MCS EVER get classed right?
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Looks like I'll run ladies class again. Sucks for those people running in DSL, but the rules allow me to do so. <shrug>
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So, it's okay to do something like putting both the 135i and the 128 into an already diverse class, but it's not okay to leave the STi and the Evo in a stagnant Corvette dominated class in order to speed that up?

Putting both the 135 and the 128 in the same stock class makes as much sense as putting the Cooper and the Cooper S in the same class, or the Z28 and the V6 version or the Mustang GT and the V6 Mustang. In fact, maybe I'll suggest that the Z28 be moved to GS.

Or, just maybe, the SEB can put the MCS in DS? Or if the 135i is faster than the MCS, maybe that just justifies leaving the MCS in GS?

Guess I need to write another letter....

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The electronic diff in the 135i doesn't seem to be as big of a hindrance as the sky is falling crowd were making it out to be. Watched a lightly modded one last weekend. No one wheel peeling coming off corners, and one of the comments was "it turns in like its got an open diff, but comes off the corner like it has a good lsd". It was cold out and the car didn't have Hoosiers under it. :shrug: I think the reign of the Type-R in DS may be over. And when will the MCS EVER get classed right?
All excellent points...so 300 HP cars are DS now...where does that leave the WRX????I am not saying the WRX won't be competitive. ...I just don't think that the 1 series is a DS car...AS yes...or dare I say it....FS???? (Sorry Karen)
God they REALLY need to do something with the rules...Its getting ridiculous...wait..I just thought of something...M A Y B E ...someone of national caliber whose one the members wants to run a stock class and Lobbied for it to be there....

getting back to my Rules thing...there needs to be a standard formula that equalize all these classes...everybody knows that national level stuff is different than local stuff...

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Old 04-30-2008, 09:56 AM   #14
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Oh...I just thought of another thing....Wheels....stock 1 Series are 7.5/8.5...with optional 8/9 so they will be able to run some stupid rubber when its all said and done...along with....Curb weight 1320–1450 kg (2904-3190 lbs)...thats going to make for a fast ride regardless of class...18 x 7.5 front, 18 x 8.5 rear




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Old 04-30-2008, 10:18 AM   #15
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Oh...I just thought of another thing....Wheels....stock 1 Series are 7.5/8.5...with optional 8/9 so they will be able to run some stupid rubber when its all said and done...along with....Curb weight 1320–1450 kg (2904-3190 lbs)...thats going to make for a fast ride regardless of class...18 x 7.5 front, 18 x 8.5 rear




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DS is coming to big rubber now adays. My Crossfire has 7.5 inch front wheels and 9 inch rears. Either way it looks as if I should start searching for a co-drive in another class so if it comes down to it I can jump classes quickly.
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Oh...I just thought of another thing....Wheels....stock 1 Series are 7.5/8.5...with optional 8/9 so they will be able to run some stupid rubber when its all said and done...along with....Curb weight 13201450 kg (2904-3190 lbs)...thats going to make for a fast ride regardless of class...18 x 7.5 front, 18 x 8.5 rear




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The Style 142 wheels that are optional on the 135 are 17x7F 17x7.5R. I'd stick with the standard 18x7.5/18x8.5 setup, you might be able to fit the 275s under the car in the back. At any rate not a DS car especially if the electro-magical diff actually works.
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Good point, Bill. It's been said before and I'll say it here. The bigger, heavier car with the same drivetrain goes to FS...which is supposed to be a good bit faster than DS. The, by the numbers at least, faster 135i goes into the slower class. right....makes sense to me!
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The Style 142 wheels that are optional on the 135 are 17x7F 17x7.5R. I'd stick with the standard 18x7.5/18x8.5 setup, you might be able to fit the 275s under the car in the back. At any rate not a DS car especially if the electro-magical diff actually works.
thats true...however...We have a guy locally that got one with optional 18x8 front and 18x9 rear set from BMW...and they are the factory/dealer option...M3??? maybe...and theres something with the brakes to...I have to call my friend to see what that is about....Bigger brake upgrade available if you option the car out right...My friend just ordered one..with the bigger wheel upgrade and the brakes....


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^^^ Ok I just clarified...Better brakes on the 330 the wheels are M3 optional.18x8 18x9.(which according to bimmerforums bolt right up, My friend says.) so for stock is 7.5/8.5...

Sorry to confuse the issue...but I got clarification..

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so where does the NA one go then????
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thats true...however...We have a guy locally that got one with optional 18x8 front and 18x9 rear set from BMW...and they are the factory/dealer option...M3??? maybe...and theres something with the brakes to...I have to call my friend to see what that is about....Bigger brake upgrade available if you option the car out right...My friend just ordered one..with the bigger wheel upgrade and the brakes....


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Maybe you can actually order one with the M Sports package that BMW showed at some some of the auto-shows then. You can't configure one with their online system that way though. In theory it's got the larger wheels and stiffer springs and rollbars than a normal 135i along with the body kit but I hadn't heard anything about brake differences, the normal 135i already gets six piston fixed calipers up front and looks like BMW might have finally brought a car to the US with decent brakes.
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I talked to an SEB member last year about it at a DC event and they were already talking DS before the car even landed on US shores.
This is actually starting to bother me. What SEB member did you talk to? Shawn mentioned something similar in a different thread. There are no SEB members that come to the "regular" DC events. SAC members, yes, but not SEB members. The closest SEB members to DC would be Donnie Barnes and Tina Reeves.

The SAC is supposed to advise the SEB, and in the past, the SEB has overruled an AC because a recommendation was senseless. The BOD has the final say before it goes into the rulebook.

I keep hoping that the 135 listing was a mistake in Fastrack. It's happened before (like when they initially listed the Shelby GT500 in FS). The fact that no one in an official capacity has stepped up to say it's a mistake that will be corrected in the next Fastrack seems to cut that thought out from under me.

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hmmmmmmm...would that mean it would follow 'traditional' path going to SP then>????? so:

ESP???? thats not right...BSP I could see...not ESP....something stinks in Denmark..

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I seem to recall a thread on sccaforums where Hollis (maybe?) talked about making DS faster and after a few guesses someone said 135 and he gave a sort of "I can't tell you yes, but yes" kind of answers. Maybe I dreamed that up.

Hey Karen, you helping with the Pick the Winners thing again this year?
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It's already been classed in BSP.
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