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Old 05-02-2008, 05:55 PM   #1
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This is a very conservative 20psi tune. The Blue is with the SPT exhaust, then I dropped it and added a P&L Motorsports Signature Series Exhaust (Race/Titanium Tip) and thats the Red- 13WHP and 28WTQ more.
Well I tried to keep it quiet as long as I could Also this is at 76* and 56% humidity very poor dyno conditions and there is absolutely no corrections added, which makes the P&L DynoJet a bit of a heartbreaker.

When I get my headers on in a few months I will have the boost turned up to 22-23 and I am sure I will get the rest of the power easily. The WHP looks like insane fun.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:00 PM   #2
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Congratulations asshat, your man does good work(as we already knew)
Nice curve. Did you get what you were looking for?
How's it feel on the street?
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:06 PM   #3
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Congratulations asshat, your man does good work(as we already knew)
Nice curve. Did you get what you were looking for?
How's it feel on the street?
Ya sorry for the asshatery I have to pick it up tomorrow as P&L is 100 miles away. I am extremely happy and I know theres still more power to be made with the headers and turning up the boost. I love power that never drops off. I am hoping with the right set of cams and head work next summer this car will be insane as a DD.

Thanks Jorge!!!!!! Can you drop the data log in here if you have a chance.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:11 PM   #4
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It looks like a blast, congrats on finally getting what you wanted.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:18 PM   #5
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Congrats on the numbers man!!! I bet its a beast.

It will be a monster after the headers and an increase in PSI to 22/23 like you said.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:39 PM   #6
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Time	ECT	IAT	MAF-v	Rel.P	TPS	WGDC	IDC	RPM	DAM	DA	IT
28:41.6	189	91	2.32	-3.19	19	25.1	6.08	2036	1	0	31
28:41.8	189	91	2.32	-3.19	19	25.1	6.08	2036	1	0	31
28:41.9	189	91	2.32	-3.19	19	25.1	6.08	2036	1	0	31
28:42.0	189	91	2.24	-0.15	23	54.9	6.52	1698	1	2	27
28:42.2	189	91	2.24	-0.15	23	54.9	6.52	1698	1	2	27
28:42.3	189	90	2.38	1.45	43	66.27	7.56	1771	1	3.5	21.5
28:42.4	189	90	2.38	1.45	43	66.27	7.56	1771	1	3.5	21.5
28:42.5	189	90	2.38	1.45	43	66.27	7.56	1771	1	3.5	21.5
28:42.7	189	90	2.5	1.89	100	83.92	9.1	1854	1	4	18.5
28:42.8	189	90	2.5	1.89	100	83.92	9.1	1854	1	4	18.5
28:42.9	189	90	2.54	2.18	100	83.92	9.48	1933	1	4	19.5
28:43.1	189	90	2.54	2.18	100	83.92	9.48	1933	1	4	19.5
28:43.2	189	90	2.54	2.18	100	83.92	9.48	1933	1	4	19.5
28:43.3	189	90	2.54	2.47	100	83.53	10.33	2018	1	4	19
28:43.5	189	90	2.54	2.47	100	83.53	10.33	2018	1	4	19
28:43.6	189	90	2.58	2.61	100	83.53	10.37	2113	1	4	19.5
28:43.7	189	90	2.58	2.61	100	83.53	10.37	2113	1	4	19.5
28:43.8	189	90	2.58	2.61	100	83.53	10.37	2113	1	4	19.5
28:44.0	190	90	2.6	3.05	100	83.53	10.82	2205	1	4	20
28:44.1	190	90	2.6	3.05	100	83.53	10.82	2205	1	4	20
28:44.2	190	90	2.6	3.05	100	83.53	10.82	2205	1	4	20
28:44.4	190	90	2.64	3.34	100	83.53	11.18	2279	1	4	20
28:44.5	190	90	2.64	3.34	100	83.53	11.18	2279	1	4	20
28:44.6	190	90	2.68	3.63	100	83.53	11.63	2370	1	4	20
28:44.8	190	90	2.68	3.63	100	83.53	11.63	2370	1	4	20
28:44.9	190	90	2.68	3.63	100	83.53	11.63	2370	1	4	20
28:45.0	190	90	2.74	4.06	100	74.9	12.67	2474	1	4.5	19.5
28:45.1	190	90	2.74	4.06	100	74.9	12.67	2474	1	4.5	19.5
28:45.3	190	88	2.88	4.64	100	61.57	13.74	2576	1	4.5	20
28:45.4	190	88	2.88	4.64	100	61.57	13.74	2576	1	4.5	20
28:45.5	190	88	2.88	4.64	100	61.57	13.74	2576	1	4.5	20
28:45.7	190	88	2.9	5.37	100	47.84	14.39	2698	1	5	19.5
28:45.8	190	88	2.9	5.37	100	47.84	14.39	2698	1	5	19.5
28:45.9	190	88	2.9	5.37	100	47.84	14.39	2698	1	5	19.5
28:46.1	190	88	3.1	6.38	100	27.84	16.26	2823	1	5.5	18.5
28:46.2	190	88	3.1	6.38	100	27.84	16.26	2823	1	5.5	18.5
28:46.3	190	88	3.2	7.83	100	27.84	18.21	2944	1	6.5	17
28:46.4	190	88	3.2	7.83	100	27.84	18.21	2944	1	6.5	17
28:46.6	190	88	3.2	7.83	100	27.84	18.21	2944	1	6.5	17
28:46.7	190	88	3.36	9.72	100	27.84	21.22	3108	1	8	15.5
28:46.8	190	88	3.36	9.72	100	27.84	21.22	3108	1	8	15.5
28:47.0	190	88	3.6	12.62	100	27.84	24.8	3229	1	9	13
28:47.1	190	88	3.6	12.62	100	27.84	24.8	3229	1	9	13
28:47.2	190	88	3.6	12.62	100	27.84	24.8	3229	1	9	13
28:47.4	190	88	3.84	16.82	100	28.24	32.79	3416	1	9	12.5
28:47.5	190	88	3.84	16.82	100	28.24	32.79	3416	1	9	12.5
28:47.6	190	88	4.02	20.03	100	28.63	41.76	3625	1	9	12.5
28:47.7	190	88	4.02	20.03	100	28.63	41.76	3625	1	9	12.5
28:47.9	190	88	4.02	20.03	100	28.63	41.76	3625	1	9	12.5
28:48.0	192	88	3.94	20.31	100	29.41	40.27	3852	1	9	12.5
28:48.2	192	88	3.94	20.31	100	29.41	40.27	3852	1	9	12.5
28:48.3	192	88	3.94	20.31	100	29.41	40.27	3852	1	9	12.5
28:48.4	192	88	4.02	20.45	100	29.8	42.68	4083	1	9	13.5
28:48.5	192	88	4.02	20.45	100	29.8	42.68	4083	1	9	13.5
28:48.7	192	88	4.14	20.45	100	30.59	43.67	4265	1	9	15
28:48.8	192	88	4.14	20.45	100	30.59	43.67	4265	1	9	15
28:48.9	192	88	4.14	20.45	100	30.59	43.67	4265	1	9	15
28:49.0	192	90	4.22	20.31	100	31.37	47.27	4522	1	9	15.5
28:49.2	192	90	4.22	20.31	100	31.37	47.27	4522	1	9	15.5
28:49.3	192	90	4.24	20.89	100	31.76	50.18	4704	1	9	16
28:49.4	192	90	4.24	20.89	100	31.76	50.18	4704	1	9	16
28:49.6	192	90	4.24	20.89	100	31.76	50.18	4704	1	9	16
28:49.7	192	91	4.3	21.03	100	32.55	53.08	4976	1	9	17
28:49.8	192	91	4.3	21.03	100	32.55	53.08	4976	1	9	17
28:50.0	192	91	4.3	21.03	100	32.55	53.08	4976	1	9	17
28:50.1	192	91	4.38	20.61	100	33.33	56.18	5164	1	9	17.5
28:50.2	192	91	4.38	20.61	100	33.33	56.18	5164	1	9	17.5
28:50.4	192	93	4.44	20.47	100	34.12	58.89	5413	1	9	17
28:50.5	192	93	4.44	20.47	100	34.12	58.89	5413	1	9	17
28:50.6	192	93	4.44	20.47	100	34.12	58.89	5413	1	9	17
28:50.7	194	93	4.5	20.47	100	34.9	62.83	5664	1	9	17.5
28:50.9	194	93	4.5	20.47	100	34.9	62.83	5664	1	9	17.5
28:51.0	194	95	4.56	19.9	100	35.69	65.08	5867	1	9	16.5
28:51.1	194	95	4.56	19.9	100	35.69	65.08	5867	1	9	16.5
28:51.3	194	95	4.56	21.9	100	35.69	65.08	5867	1	9	16.5
28:51.4	194	95	4.58	20.47	100	34.12	65.82	6050	1	9	18
28:51.5	194	95	4.58	20.47	100	34.12	65.82	6050	1	9	18
28:51.7	194	95	4.58	20.32	100	34.12	67.25	6305	1	9	18.5
28:51.8	194	95	4.58	20.32	100	34.12	67.25	6305	1	9	18.5
28:51.9	194	95	4.58	20.32	100	34.12	67.25	6305	1	9	18.5
28:52.0	194	97	4.6	20.03	100	34.12	67.94	6499	1	9	20
28:52.2	194	97	4.6	20.03	100	34.12	67.94	6499	1	9	20
28:52.3	194	97	4.6	20.03	100	34.12	67.94	6499	1	9	20
28:52.4	196	97	4.6	20.03	100	34.51	68.56	6695	1	9	20.5
28:52.6	196	97	4.6	20.03	100	34.51	68.56	6695	1	9	20.5
28:52.7	196	97	4.62	20.03	100	35.29	70.48	6883	1	9	21
28:52.8	196	97	4.62	20.03	100	35.29	70.48	6883	1	9	21
28:53.0	196	97	4.62	20.03	100	35.29	70.48	6883	1	9	21
28:53.1	196	97	4.62	20.18	100	34.9	70.82	7063	1	9	22
28:53.2	196	97	4.62	20.18	100	34.9	70.82	7063	1	9	22
28:53.3	196	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.51	71.03	7238	1	9	23
28:53.5	196	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.51	71.03	7238	1	9	23
28:53.6	196	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.51	71.03	7238	1	9	23
28:53.7	198	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.12	71.19	7416	1	9	23.5
28:53.9	198	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.12	71.19	7416	1	9	23.5
28:54.0	198	99	4.64	20.18	100	34.12	71.19	7416	1	9	23.5
28:54.1	198	99	3.42	-8.7	12	0	4.02	6279	1	1	-20
28:54.3	198	99	3.42	-8.7	12	0	4.02	6279	1	1	-20
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:49 PM   #7
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not to ruin the party but like 18 wHP and 7 wTQ over your last sz55 tune with the same exhaust? I figured it would have been more of a gain.

I was looking at buying this kit from P&L maybe I should make a couple pulls on your dyno first and see what mine does before I decide.
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:07 PM   #8
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For 20 psi that isn't too shabby; also the numbers are uncorrected. Grats 4st, bout time your car makes you happy again
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not to ruin the party but like 18 wHP and 7 wTQ over your last sz55 tune with the same exhaust? I figured it would have been more of a gain.

I was looking at buying this kit from P&L maybe I should make a couple pulls on your dyno first and see what mine does before I decide.
I think the really important part is that it finally shows how much of a restriction it was (which no one doubted), but is also making more power on a "smaller" 52 lb/min turbo.

Which is like saying that an 18G is making more power then a 20G.

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If I'm reading the log right - looks like 20psi at 3600. Wow!

I wouldn't have expected that on the 3076, especially with the .82AR. I bet the SZ55 didn't spool that well.

Let us know how it feels when you get it.
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not to ruin the party but like 18 wHP and 7 wTQ over your last sz55 tune with the same exhaust? I figured it would have been more of a gain.
exactly, and thats not taking into account the catted dp that he had before. i gained 15 whp when i went catless. i think that car is cursed!
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right, catless DP on the rotated kit, better rotated setup vs compromised stock mount.

sounds like 4000+ bucks to find out the exhaust was holding the car back like many people mentioned in the several 100 post thread

now don't get me wrong. if I was you I would have wanted the 30r instead of the sz55, but if the results are similar really based on your past results and these today.

20psi, I don't understand why that is a key point. was the sz55 running at 30psi? doubt it. probably 20-21 on a TOP mount on midwest 93.

what is holding this car back now to get to the 400 whp that the sales thread boasts about? I would think that mark should be repeatable corrected or not
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right, catless DP on the rotated kit, better rotated setup vs compromised stock mount.

sounds like 4000+ bucks to find out the exhaust was holding the car back like many people mentioned in the several 100 post thread

now don't get me wrong. if I was you I would have wanted the 30r instead of the sz55, but if the results are similar really based on your past results and these today.

20psi, I don't understand why that is a key point. was the sz55 running at 30psi? doubt it. probably 20-21 on a TOP mount on midwest 93.

what is holding this car back now to get to the 400 whp that the sales thread boasts about? I would think that mark should be repeatable corrected or not
IIRC, I've always said the .82 was capable for the upper 300 range, 370-400. I never have, and never will say ANYTHING is good for X. It simply doesn't work that way.

But hey, I understand if you're discouraged, you're entitled to that.

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Old 05-02-2008, 07:51 PM   #14
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from the other thread
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Jorge was able to make MORE power at 19psi than at 22psi and at 19psi he was able to hold power all the way to 7500RPM's.
so it was 1 psi LESS than this tune for the 342/306 with a catted downpipe and the VERY restrictive SPT catback.

I think a catless DP and a 600 dollar catback like you have now would have given you a nice surprise.

this stuff doesn't add up
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:54 PM   #15
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I really wanted to like the 30r and I do from other threads. results look very nice.

what does 370 whp do trap speed in the 1/4?
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Were his other results uncorrected or not?
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Were his other results uncorrected or not?
p&l always posts them uncorrected.
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I really wanted to like the 30r and I do from other threads. results look very nice.

what does 370 whp do trap speed in the 1/4?
iirc, another guy with the same kit ran an 11.8@ 115 on 100 octane, but that was with a 450whp dyno sheet.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:21 PM   #19
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What is an P&L GT3076R A garret turbo that they special order or something?
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I think a catless DP and a 600 dollar catback like you have now would have given you a nice surprise.

this stuff doesn't add up
Exactly what I said in the last thread!! Honestly, I think the guys at P&L should've sent you in this direction before the 3076 kit to see if it was the TBE holding it back.

Not knocking on P&L, I know they're a great shop that does great work, but still.....

Looks like a great curve though and I'm sure you'll love it Dan... Enjoy!
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:30 PM   #21
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so 450 on P&L is 115mph? that is great driving too because 11.8@115 is no slouch of a driver

so this is a 107-109 mph car @ 370?

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iirc, another guy with the same kit ran an 11.8@ 115 on 100 octane, but that was with a 450whp dyno sheet.
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:37 PM   #22
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Well, for the record, the conversation did come up a few times about trying a different cat-back, but regardless, it is what it is.

If someone wants to bring an SZ55 and have me try it I'll be happy to. I'll be open minded, and if anything, even I am curious.

My prediction though; it won't hold like this thing does up top, especially at a PSi that is just starting to scratch the bottom end of the efficiency, like this one is.

In other words, I don't think anyone will disagree if I call myself a conservative and cautious tuner. That being said, I think it's pretty damn nice to pull that type of number out of my dyno with that type of effort.

Those in this thread who've been here, understand how much of a bitch she is.

To the same token, this is why we've worked hard to make it so we can put these kits in other tuners hands. It'll be interesting to give this to someone like a Gadiels of the world.

Well, I'm no fond advocate of trap as an indicator of power. Case in point.

I have a customer who made over 550 WHP on our dyno... He runs an 11.6... at 126MPH. Cool, but poor in the same breath.

I have another customer, making around 440 WHP on our dyno. He ran a 10.88 at almost 130. Clearly goes to show how driver dramatically can affect trap speed.

QUALITY drivers typically run around 112-114 on around ~350WHP. FWIW.

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so 450 on P&L is 115mph? that is great driving too because 11.8@115 is no slouch of a driver

so this is a 107-109 mph car @ 370?
not exactly. i think the driving needed some work. my car put down 390 on the p&l dyno and i can pull my buddies 430 whp LS1 camaro from a roll without much effort. it is conservative for a dynojet. i bet my car would have trapped over 115 on my 390 whp.
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Here's a funny one... The power of SAE correction. For grins I thought I'd do this like so many other shops do.

This gives you an idea of how numbers inflate.



What you are seeing here is Dan's SZ55 run in red. Which, when corrected, shows up LOWER because it was in colder weather. Now, when you look at the one today, even with the exhaust taken out it's still like 375 WHP (if you want to make an exhaust comparison across kits, I just didn't include that run for sake of dramatic example), suddenly becomes a 61.11 WHP difference at 6500 RPM, and 72.4 WHP difference at 6500 RPM with the new cat back.

Hell, all of the sudden I look like some tuning god.

Yes, this is why correction factors suck. I'd much rather show what a car does in the real world, that day.

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I am feeling like Phatron in this thread. wonder where he is at? lol

I actually feel bad for the owner of this car. you know he had to be looking at that 400whp graph for weeks from all the threads with this kit for sale and was thinking no problem I got a built engine, etc. it will make even more power than this...yes finally my goal. now he is looking to add more mods to try to make more power

I don't like the thought I see a lot in these threads of "As long as the owner is happy don't question the set up or tune" bottom line is this thing should make at least what the marketeers @ P&L are saying in the sale threads "400". his engine is set up to take more abuse than a stock one that is claimed for the representative dyno sheets.

I know 400 is a nice number to try to sell kits with, but if a car that has a true built motor and a customer that has put 15k into mods at this point can not get at least that then who really can? surely the average Joe does not want there stock motor pushed to another several PSI to get that extra power if this built motor can not do it.

I think it is silly to be a reckless tuner, cause people will be very quick to point the finger at you and say "your tune blew my engine".

why not higher than 20psi if it could take it? no doubt that it can hold 20psi to chosen point. that is a reason to ditch the compromised stock location turbo with an IWG and lame exhaust housing IMO.
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