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Old 05-04-2008, 11:06 PM   #1
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Default THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN!!! - Thanks Topspeed & those who built this

With a lot of regret I am posting this story, I have tried time and time again to be patient and understanding of all the problems that have happened, but the things I found 2 days ago just made me snap.

Here is how the story starts, back around the end of Feb this year I sold my 07 WRX to buy a 2004 STi that was very heavily modified. It was Burnin4's old drag car. The car had previously gone 10's and was something that I felt was built right, based on Austin being an upstanding guy and Topspeed to my knowledge having a good name. It is claimed that Topspeed and a local Subaru dealer in Alabama did all the work. All the performance work and tuning was done by Topspeed.

I flew down to Alabama on Feb 22 from Washington to buy this car as it was immaculate from all photos and info. I look at the car very closely and aside from small things such as the boost gauge not working and the stereo not wired up it was BEAUTIFUL. So I paid the $29,000 we had agreed on for the car and I was on my way.

4 Hours after I bought the car tragedy struck, the unthinkable happened. I was cruising along at around 75MPH up a hill at 3 PSI of boost and the check engine light came on (check engine light on the Hydra usually means bad things), the sounds to follow were metal on metal and a complete loss of power. I press the clutch in and the car dies (doesn't start again for 20-30 min). I was able to get it started again after cranking for a good 5-10 min after the car sat and got it off the highway and myself to a hotel. At this point it is 2am-3am and I am stuck in northern alabama, not sure what to do.

At this point I call Austin Fischer who I bought the car from and explained the situation once I got a hold of him. He was dumbfounded as I was and told me we would figure it out in the morning. When this all happened he was very helpful, we got the car towed from Alabama to Atlanta. Me and him split the bill for towing and plane ticket to get me to Chicago. This i felt was fair and Topspeed had the car.

This is the point where things went horribly BAD!!! Over the next few days I was promised by Austin and Doug at Topspeed they would assess the problem, then austin and myself would settle up. I told him I do not want the car at this point as it blew up 4 hrs after i bought it, following the comments I agreed even though I hadn't done anything wrong to abuse the car (which was supposedly "safely" tuned on 19psi of boost) that I would let him keep my deposit of $2k to cover repairs if he gave the $27k I took out on a loan. I thought this was fair, however he didn't and went to a Lawyer only to tell me there are no lemon laws and it was out of good CHARITY that he would "help" me.

3 weeks of back and forth between me, Topspeed and Austin, the car is still not even been touched. then I am told I have to pay $640 before they will touch the car. At this point I lost it and said just put the money you were gonna pay to repair it and send the car to me. Austin agrees to ship the car at his expense (which we both thought was fair), since Topspeed had promised to touch the car 2 prior and never did.

I called Topspeed at least 10 times in that 2 week period and asked for a copy of the map along with when they would start the car, I never got calls back from Doug, Scott or Trey (who all times i called, they claimed they would call me right back).

Finally the car gets shipped up to Washington (state) after almost a month and half of waiting. I get the car and to my surprise, I OWE $800 to the moving company who AUSTIN CLAIMED HE PAID!!!!

I pay the $800 reassured by Austin after taking almost 4 days to get ahold of him that I would get the money back as soon as he gets check from his old job. This was back on April 03, 2008. It is now May 4th and I still do not have the $800 I was promised.


NOW IS WHERE THINGS GET INTERESTING.

I start taking apart the car and as I take apart to start repairing I found the following problems:

Minor things:

-To start with the boost gauge line that was supposedly disconnected, the connector was ripped off the wiring and hidden behind the A/C line.

-Next I find the A/C fan wiring melted to the header as someone had not secured it.

-All 4 directional rotors on backwards

-Hydra WBo2 installed but not connect to the Hydra.

-Backseats not even bolted in


NOW THE MAJOR THINGS


-The clutch that was claimed to has 1000 miles on it (looked like it had 10k Plus miles on it) -picture coming soon

-Steel Braided "Fuel" line was of the wrong grade and the rubber was deteriorating. (at the time i bought the car all I smelled was race gas and thought nothing at the time) - car smelled like a constant fuel leak and tried to pressurize again and again when no fuel lines had been removed.

-Original coil connectors, cam sensor connector and wires were left open to the elements to corrode and short out









-Engine wiring harness (injectors & cam sensor wires) - were all hacked up. Wires were cut and covered to hide with electrical tape, all injector wires were soldered and not heat shrunk. they were hidden with electrical tape as well.















The car spun a rod bearing, damaged the crank, #3 piston, rod, valves and head the head of the motor.



MIND YOU ALL THIS WORK WAS SUPPOSEDLY DONE BY TOPSPEED AND PROFESSIONAL SHOPS!!!



This goes to show that even a proffesional shop or work that is claimed to be proffesionally done doesn't even mean its done right.

This a warning about the work that was done on Austin Fischers old 04 STi.

Again I do not know what work was done by his "friend" at the Subaru Dealer and Topspeed. I do know it was TUNED BY DOUG AT TOPSPEED.



I wasn't going to post this up but because of the hacked up engine harness, and along with the wrong quality line for fuel lines. I have been trying to contact Austin as well these past few days with no response so that is the other motivating factor.

On top of the money to fly down to get the car, half the payment for the towing fee and plane ticket to Chicago and the extra $1600 to get me to washington and pay for the car's shipped I feel I was done very wrong here.


LASTLY!!!

This car is the most hack job car i've ever seen in my life, for a professional built car it is pathetic that a name like Topspeed is even associated with this car, installed the hydra or wired up the terrible injector wiring that could have easily shorted out the whole wiring harness


PATHETIC is the was best way to describe how this car was built, for those who idolized this car, DON'T. The car did a 10.87 ONCE!!!, couldn't repeat and after that mid 11's and was sold, clearly something was wrong. The hack job done on the car had finally caught up with it.

I feel like an idiot for buying the car and regret it, but at the hands of a man with too much money who sold me the car , telling me even though it blew up 4 hrs after I bought it he has no LEGAL OBLIGATION to help me, that SAD!!!
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:07 PM   #2
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:08 PM   #3
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IT IS THIS CAR BTW!! http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1413090






Looks clean doesn't it.




AGAIN I HATE POSTING STUFF LIKE THIS, BUT I SAW NO CHOICE, EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS HACK JOB WORK!!!!
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:10 PM   #4
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^ this isnt OT fool.. (post #2)


but anyway.. man, that looks bad. i would be highly upset
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:14 PM   #5
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Wow.

Sorry for the headache you are having. I dont know what I would do in your place, you have options you could try and get a lawyer, you could strip the car for parts and sell the car piece by piece and try to make your money back, you could fix it.

I dont know what to say here. Im sure like everything the other party has a story to give like every coin there are two sides.

But in either case im sorry this happened to you regardless.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:16 PM   #6
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Take a joke. This thread will turn out interesting no matter what. To the OP: I'm sorry for the crap you had to go through. Sounds like you ran in to quite a problem. I'd think if you shelled out THAT much cash, you would be treated a little better. Hopefully this will have a happy ending, good luck.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:17 PM   #7
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Damn dude, that's seriously ****ed up but seriously, buying a car THAT heavily modified used just spells trouble. I'm sorry but I could never buy a heavily modified car like that. Good luck with everything though.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:19 PM   #8
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Sounds like you might be in need of a 2.5 I'm working on. If we salvage some of your current parts, we could probably put together a monster!!! Drop Me a PM. We could probably have it back together for a decent price (we need to figure out the heads situation) I have a welder that can (fixed my damaged head). If your up to helping me put in my six speed next weekend, than I'm up to helping you.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:20 PM   #9
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:21 PM   #10
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****ty story man sorry to hear that.. karma has it's ways tho thats all i'm gonna say.. good luck man
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:21 PM   #11
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Damn dude, that's seriously ****ed up but seriously, buying a car THAT heavily modified used just spells trouble. I'm sorry but I could never buy a heavily modified car like that. Good luck with everything though.

I understand that, and I have expected for the car to atleast make it home, if it was detuned to 19PSI for pump gas on a fully built motor. At this point I am not looking for money or restitution, he will just hide behind his money and lawyers...I DON'T have the MONEY or TIME to have a pissing match over the thousands of dollars of work and hack job car I recieved.

You would think professional built wouldn't mean SHADETREE MECHANIC



THE CAR HAD A DARTON SLEEVED STAGE 5 AXIS BLOCK and STAGE 2 HEADS BUILT TO STAND WELL OVER WHAT HP it had
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:21 PM   #12
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Sorry to hear, but this is why you never buy a modified car EVER. (Unless you know the seller very very well.)
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:26 PM   #13
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I would be suspicious that they left that engine in the car and didnt just put a crapper in there to hold over.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:29 PM   #14
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I would be suspicious that they left that engine in the car and didnt just put a crapper in there to hold over.
I had everything apart and at the engine shop as of last week, it is a FULLY BUILT MOTOR!!!

Sadly a combo of I would believe tuning and hack job work led to failure, I was never given a copy of the Hydra file as I requested for almost a month before the car was shipped, that is SHADY AS IT IS!!!
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Whoops you already answered if it was a crapper motor....
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:31 PM   #16
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wow that really sucks, 30g's for 4 hours in a 10-sec built STi
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:33 PM   #17
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mxturbo:

Looks like you got the shaft.

I am sorry to see you were jipped. I've been there.

That said, you just paid a few semester's tuition in the school of life, and you've learned a valuable lesson: When it comes to large sums of money, NO ONE can be trusted.

The seller might have had some idea that the work done was not top-notch. Then again, he may not know the 1st thing about cars, and might just like driving fast Subies. I don't know him personally.

However, I find it funny that folks assume just because work is done by a "tuner," that it was done professionally.

Tuners are not always good mechanics. One can learn all sorts of tuning tips and tricks for EFI, and not know the first thing about electical wiring, engine assembly, or even how to swap spark plugs.

Furthermore, unless you have receipts for all of the work showing who did it, you have nobody to point your finger at but yourself.

You should have certainly asked to see documentation for all of the work, and probably should have contacted the shop, and ask if they stood by it.

I think it sucks that you are stuck footing the bill for a car that is not properly built. Hopefully the seller will buck-up, and at least pay you the money he owes for the tow, etc.

I will PM you a bit of advice that hopefully helps.


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Old 05-04-2008, 11:33 PM   #18
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the motor is in pieces at a local machine shop being rebuilt, and the internals are all as was advertised so the motor portion which was done by Ron at RAW Engines is up to Par and BEAUTIFUL, I LOVE HIS WORK.

The other end performed by Topspeed and other "professional" shops however was not, and that is what i feel caused the failure of this car at such a low power level compared to what it is capable of. The shop Topspeed has professionals in house mechanics and the maintence was done by them, not just the tuner. There are many people involved in this HACKJOB WORK!!!


Thanks saab-on-the-cobb, any help is appreciated.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:35 PM   #19
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yes, buying a heavily modified used car like that is almost always bad news. Were you planning on daily driving that monster?
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Wow, man that sucks.. Maybe call a lawyer and explain the situation and see if anything can be done? Idk.........I would at least try. Sucks man, good luck.
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I would be suspicious that they left that engine in the car and didnt just put a crapper in there to hold over.
i have always wondered myself, if you buy a motor that is claimed to be "built".... how do you know the advertised parts are installed without tearing down the block to check for yourself?
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On a positive note... Though expensive, you are receiving a hefty amount of after market items. At this point you can make sure it is done to your specifications, and you will not run into this issue again. Good Luck with car and can't wait to see what your final numbers are....
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:38 PM   #23
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yes, buying a heavily modified used car like that is almost always bad news. Were you planning on daily driving that monster?
not really, the plan still is to drive it on a semi-daily basis.


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i have always wondered myself, if you buy a motor that is claimed to be "built".... how do you know the advertised parts are installed without tearing down the block to check for yourself?

well unfortunately I got to tear it down and find out first hand


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On a positive note... Though expensive, you are receiving a hefty amount of after market items. At this point you can make sure it is done to your specifications, and you will not run into this issue again. Good Luck with car and can't wait to see what your final numbers are....

I have actually been selling off all the aftermarket parts in order to do it my way, so that is helping some with recouping the money I lost in this whole ordeal.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:43 PM   #24
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First of all....extremely sorry for what happened to you! I am in the same situation as you(sorta)! My 06 STI just spun a bearing as well and will be saving up for the next couple of weeks (maybe months) to put in a Cosworth block in it! I have NO DOUBT in my mind that you will get through it, fix ALL THE PROBLEMS, and have one HELL OF A RIDE when it is all said and done! Good luck to you!
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:48 PM   #25
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To be fair to Top Speed, you have no idea what they did or didn't do with the car and why the motor failed so it's a little premature to blame them for anything at all. I can almost guarantee that they didn't put a tune on it that would blow that motor at 19 psi unless it's a race tune and you're running pump. Something else caused the motor to fail.

Sorry for what you're going through. It's a very expensive lesson to learn, but hopefully others won't make the same mistake. You need to have any heavily modded car fully checked out before you buy it.
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