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Old 05-05-2008, 02:05 PM   #1
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The UAW went on strike this morning at GMs Fairfax assmebly plant which employs around 2,600 workers and produces GMs best-selling Chevrolet Malibu sedan. According to a secretary at UAW Local 31, the strike came after GM failed to reach a local operating contract with the union.
The strike will hurt the supply of Malibu sedan which, at the end of April, had just a 36-day supply nationally. The Fairfax plant produces about 574 Malibu sedans a day along with the Saturn Aura sedan.

The Orion, Michigan plant already has a local agreement and makes about 388 Malibus a day along with the Pontiac G6.

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Old 05-05-2008, 04:27 PM   #2
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Stay classy unions.
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:32 PM   #3
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:36 PM   #4
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If this was a developing country, mgt. would shave the head of the union leader, beat him in front of the other workers, and be up to 120% production by tomorrow afternoon.
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The union workers should just be glad they have a job. Most of them are already overpaid as it is.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:35 PM   #7
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WOW. GM finally has a successful product launch, and the UAW decides that shouldn't happen, so they'll stop producing them. Those Union member employees are so darned smart.
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I'm all for unions to offer some employee protection.

However, if people are unhappy with their contract, they should look for another job instead of holding their employer hostage. If they are worth the contract they're asking for, it wouldn't be a problem to find a job somewhere that will satisfy their demands. If they're really worth it then GM would make a counteroffer to keep them once they found another job.

That's what I would do.
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Thank you UAW for putting another nail into GM's coffin
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gm needs to fire every union worker and member and re-hire the entire work force.

I have a co-worker in my building that has a father that is a janitor one of the local plants and he is paid $30 per hour and is a UAW member. That just blows my mind.

Sadly it will take one of the big 3 to go belly up for anything to change.
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yeah, I agree that the UNION should be time of the past.
It's not like we're in the 19th century where the evil capitalists enslave workers to work ungodly long hours without basic care
It's not like the day after the unions are gone we're going to go back to 14hour workdays with no benefits.
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^^^^^^ ya think so... I am not a union supporter, however without some kind of balance the corporations would take great advantage of the workers.
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^^^^ same scare tactics used by the unions.....Its just not true. Its this competitive marketplace, they can always go elsewhere to find work. Unions are going to run the big three into the ground. When the so called upcoming recession hits, and the unions wont let the big three lay anybody off, it will put the last nail in the coffin.
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And we wonder why American companies cannot compete on the world scale against the Japanese and European companies.

Japan:

Worker: "We respectfully request more money and more benefits."
Mgmt: "Your request shames you and your families."
Worker: "You are so wise!"

Europe:

Worker: "We want more money and more benefits and a beer every hour, ja?"
Mgmt: "Well, we can give you the beer every hour, how about that?"
Worker: "Ja ja! Das is gut!"

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Worker: "We want more money and more benefits!"
Mgmt: "Oh man, we're getting killed by the other manufacturers, can't you guys be reasonable and just make some cars already?"
Worker: (Repeat line 1 ad nauseum)

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^^^^^^^

Well played - this post made my day!
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Well played - this post made my day!
Not well played actually. Where in that article does it say anything about requesting more pay or benefits. Union workers have lost ALOT of things over the last few years that dont make the headlines.

Since your so stupid to realize that this is a LOCAL. Thats right just ONE plant. That means they couldnt come to an operating contract for THAT ONE plant. They dont negotiate money or benefits at a LOCAL level. The plant manager and uaw reps couldnt come to agreements on local issues.
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Not well played actually. Where in that article does it say anything about requesting more pay or benefits. Union workers have lost ALOT of things over the last few years that dont make the headlines.

Since your so stupid to realize that this is a LOCAL. Thats right just ONE plant. That means they couldnt come to an operating contract for THAT ONE plant. They dont negotiate money or benefits at a LOCAL level. The plant manager and uaw reps couldnt come to agreements on local issues.
I had a huge response but I just lost it

My point has nothing to do with more money and more benefits. My point is, the Asian and European automakers have no problem getting people to work for them for whatever terms the automaker wants. Why is it so hard in the US? Unions. Unions had their time, but since the technological revolution of the late 20th century and the change in the work place, there's no need for them and all they have done is drag their companies down. Why is it that the US automakers struggle so much and have to lay off thousands of workers and farm off jobs to Canada and Mexico while the Asian and European automakers have very little problems? Unemployment in Michigan is one of the highest in the US because of the automakers, and yet last time I was there for NAIAS, there were help wanted signs everywhere. But they were all on jobs the Union workers would refuse to do (retail, burger flipping, etc.). My co-worker has a husband who is totally pro-Union and yet even they admit that the Union has done nothing for them than make empty promises and take dues.

There are industries where unionizing has done very well for the people. But some industries, like we are talking about here with the auto industry, are just much too competitive for unions. That, and US citizens need to understand how our economy works, at least where we've put it. Everyone complains about all the work and manufacturing going to China and other foreign markets, but as long as Americans demand the best for cheap or the American worker demand the highest pay for the least amount of work, that's just the way it's going to be.

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this is the way i look at it

if i am an employer and i invested time and money to have my business, and i choose to employ you, you working for me is a priveledge, not a ****ing right. if you don't like it, don't work for me, im not making you. what is so hard about this to understand. you know the terms of your job when you become an employee, if you don't like them, **** off. if the economy changes and you think you need more money, go somwhere else.

this is the normal order of things in my mind
someone makes a great product >>> people want that product because it is great >>> people pay money for the product

this is how unions want things to work in america
pay money for the product so people can keep their jobs >>> no one gives a **** that the product is inferior and overpriced>>>people will make the ****ty product because they got paid to do it

the whole mentality here is backwards

its like this whole bull**** statement "support the US auto market"... why? so that an uneducated lazy 9am-5pm worker can make better money than i make after finishing school and busting my ass to get somewhere in life? **** that. now im sure that there are educated workers there, i know this is a generalization. when i was in university, i did a little summer work moving boxes and such, and the unionized movers working for the school were getting paid $31 an hour. after getting my Ba in economics i struggled to get a job for more than $23. its the same thing at these stupid plants.

i don't give a **** what the unions lost, if you don't like where you work, do something else, your employer is offering you a job, not FORCING you to do it.
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this is the way i look at it

if i am an employer and i invested time and money to have my business, and i choose to employ you, you working for me is a priveledge, not a ****ing right. if you don't like it, don't work for me, im not making you. what is so hard about this to understand. you know the terms of your job when you become an employee, if you don't like them, **** off. if the economy changes and you think you need more money, go somwhere else.

this is the normal order of things in my mind
someone makes a great product >>> people want that product because it is great >>> people pay money for the product

this is how unions want things to work in america
pay money for the product so people can keep their jobs >>> no one gives a **** that the product is inferior and overpriced>>>people will make the ****ty product because they got paid to do it

the whole mentality here is backwards

its like this whole bull**** statement "support the US auto market"... why? so that an uneducated lazy 9am-5pm worker can make better money than i make after finishing school and busting my ass to get somewhere in life? **** that. now im sure that there are educated workers there, i know this is a generalization. when i was in university, i did a little summer work moving boxes and such, and the unionized movers working for the school were getting paid $31 an hour. after getting my Ba in economics i struggled to get a job for more than $23. its the same thing at these stupid plants.

i don't give a **** what the unions lost, if you don't like where you work, do something else, your employer is offering you a job, not FORCING you to do it.
Bingo. Work is a privilege, not a right.

I have a friend who was a longshoreman, and they were also unionized. We always joked with him because I swear, every time they had a union meeting they got more pay and less hours. It was a total joke, he even admitted they did very little work but he got paid very nicely. And TONS of vacation.

Of course, it was then found that the docks up here in Seattle were found to be wasting money.

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2 people come in for a job interview...

1. Indian PHD, happy doing scientific research or just washing your car - will work for 20 bucks a day (15 hours of course), will take an active interest in your business, eager to be given any opportunity, smart overachiever - basically, very similar to a 1950's American

2. Middle American - HS dropout, IQ of 97, mild alcohol problem, entitled, lazy, and interested only in pay and workload

It's so ridiculous, it's difficult to believe that it is absolutely true.
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2 people come in for a job interview...

1. Indian PHD, happy doing scientific research or just washing your car - will work for 20 bucks a day (15 hours of course), will take an active interest in your business, eager to be given any opportunity, smart overachiever - basically, very similar to a 1950's American

2. Middle American - HS dropout, IQ of 97, mild alcohol problem, entitled, lazy, and interested only in pay and workload

It's so ridiculous, it's difficult to believe that it is absolutely true.
You don't believe that is true? It totally is.

In some ways, it would be good if the depression of the '20s and '30s happened again so everyone in this country would get a little perspective again.

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You have no idea what its like to work for GM or ford. They have these contracts for more reasons then money and benefits. They have them to help protect peoples jobs. You act like GM and Ford are the victims. Last time i checked they AGREED to these requests. They try to break state and govt laws on a daily basis to get more work done.

Its funny how you all think its such easy work and any moron could do it. Do you know how many ppl dont come back from lunch on there first day. Its back breaking labor and the majority do earn that money. Just because your book smart doesnt mean you have common sense. I do agree that there are some worthless POS that dont deserve there job, but theres nothing i can do about that.



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this is the way i look at it

if i am an employer and i invested time and money to have my business, and i choose to employ you, you working for me is a priveledge, not a ****ing right. if you don't like it, don't work for me, im not making you. what is so hard about this to understand. you know the terms of your job when you become an employee, if you don't like them, **** off. if the economy changes and you think you need more money, go somwhere else.

this is the normal order of things in my mind
someone makes a great product >>> people want that product because it is great >>> people pay money for the product

this is how unions want things to work in america
pay money for the product so people can keep their jobs >>> no one gives a **** that the product is inferior and overpriced>>>people will make the ****ty product because they got paid to do it

the whole mentality here is backwards

its like this whole bull**** statement "support the US auto market"... why? so that an uneducated lazy 9am-5pm worker can make better money than i make after finishing school and busting my ass to get somewhere in life? **** that. now im sure that there are educated workers there, i know this is a generalization. when i was in university, i did a little summer work moving boxes and such, and the unionized movers working for the school were getting paid $31 an hour. after getting my Ba in economics i struggled to get a job for more than $23. its the same thing at these stupid plants.

i don't give a **** what the unions lost, if you don't like where you work, do something else, your employer is offering you a job, not FORCING you to do it.
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Its funny how you all think its such easy work and any moron could do it. Its back breaking labor and the majority do earn that money.
Ask all the illegal aliens if the lawn work or construction work is backbreaking. *anyone* can do it.

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You don't believe that is true? It totally is.

In some ways, it would be good if the depression of the '20s and '30s happened again so everyone in this country would get a little perspective again.

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Are you ****ing serious. In no way would a depression like that be good. Why so ppl making more money than you who didnt go to college could get some perspective. How about all the ppl who worked hard for everything they have, but because your bitter that someone without a college degree makes more moany than you everyone should pay. You really are a ****ing moron.

Like i said some people just dont have common sense.
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