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Old 05-07-2008, 11:53 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Swap Help

Ok guys here is the story.

I have a 99 Legacy Auto with a blown motor, I want to do a EJ20t swap with a 5 speed swap along. I have worked with Jhot Imports a good bit but nothing with their motors. What I'd like to know are they good I know the prices are but I just worry about the tranny. We'll I live in GA so it would be the easiest and quickest way to get the motor I need. What I need help on is what Jhot is offering is it reliable and what other parts would I possibly need. If you know who Jhot Imports are you'll know what they offer. I know I could search for ever and still end up a little lost so no bashing please.

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Old 05-08-2008, 12:42 AM   #2
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well i've bought plenty of stuff of jHot in the past, both from their texas branch, and the georgia one. all of that was body and interior stuff though, never bought any engines or anything from them. i would say that they're probably a safe bet, but just remember that most of their stuff is jdm, that might affect the legality of your swap.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:25 AM   #3
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Well I don't think I should have any problem with the legal issue as I'll have the same vin # and little does the insurance comp. will need to know about what I'm putting in. I know Jhot covers the block with a 30 day start up but I guess I'll need to call and check to see if they cover the tranny... but other then what they provide can any one else think of other items I would need besides clutch pedal set.

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Old 05-08-2008, 01:32 AM   #4
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I'd check the feedback they have. You can check based on what item was involved in the auction pretty easily now.

As is the case with any used engine, especially turbo, you always have to know that you are possibly getting someone else's problem. Jhot just imports these from salvage yards or whatever, so it is likely that they don't know anymore about it than the mileage and type of car it was out of.

If the feedback has been good on engine sales, and the price is right, and close, you're chances are probably about as good as they would be purchasing from any other "stranger".

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Old 05-08-2008, 03:29 AM   #5
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try the 2.5?
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:55 AM   #6
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I have a 99 Legacy Auto with a blown motor, I want to do a EJ20t swap with a 5 speed swap.

What I need help on is what Jhot is offering - is it reliable and what other parts would I possibly need.
You will need an OBD-II compliant ECU (to be emmissions legal), an EJ20T, a 5-speed transmission with the same final drive ratio as your rear differential (likely you may opt for a rear-end swap), a clutch master & pedal box, a turbo-compatible cross-member frame section, up & down pipes to the turbo and a tremendous amount of custom electrical wiring modifications.

JDM motors are really built to run on much higher octane fuels than are available here, so you MIGHT want to look into a lowered compression ratio set of pistons.

Some folks have opted for using the JDM motors ECU in place of an OBD-II compliant ECU (which while not legal by Federal law, may not be something checked for in Georgia), however which ever ECU you select for the motor there is a tremendous amount of electrical wiring that typically involves using the instrument cluster of the donor cars ECU. There is so much wiring involved here that in many cases you may be tempted to look into a 3rd party "piggy back" set up for your engine management, however given the differences in sensors between the N/A EJ25 and the Turbo JDM EJ20T I don't think there are any safe and reliable setups that actually work. Feel free to prove me wrong on this, however.

Honestly, in the long run, you are much better off getting a salvaged USDM EJ20T or EJ25T motor, Tranny, rear diff, ECU and instrument cluster and purchasing an already assembled 3rd party wiring harness ( ~ $900.00) that will work with your car, In my personal opinion.

What it really boils down to though is a case of how much of your personal time you are prepared to put into this, or how much of someone else's time and labour costs you are prepared to pay for. Generally you are better off opting for the simplest and most reliable proven routes unless spending months of tedious custom electrical wiring happens to be one of your specialties.

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Old 05-08-2008, 09:46 AM   #7
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^ defintiely knows what he is talking about, a USDM motor is easier to get parts for, more knowledge this side of the pond, and cheaper in the long run..

i have a 2.0t swap in a 98 wagon and its a blast!
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:18 AM   #8
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First, know if your state does emissions testing or what not...you can use a JDM engine/ecu/etc in that case pretty easily as you don't need to get tested; in terms of gas, you can get it tuned to run on 93, it's not as big of a roadblock as it may seem as there are plenty of JDM swapped cars running around here on NASIOC.

Converting a JDM engine to a USDM electronics is kind of more trouble than its worth, I would either stick with the JDM electronics or get a USDM engine set altogether.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:09 PM   #9
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Emission legal is not really my concern as live in the out skirts of Atlanta near Road Atlanta. I have a good buddy that own a engine shop a deal with labor with just around $1200

“Honestly, in the long run, you are much better off getting a salvaged USDM EJ20T or EJ25T motor, Tranny, rear diff, ECU and instrument cluster and purchasing an already assembled 3rd party wiring harness ( ~ $900.00) that will work with your car, In my personal opinion.”

Are you saying that I could all of that ^ for $900? If I’m misunderstanding please explain and if I got you correct could you point me in the right direction.


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Old 05-08-2008, 12:33 PM   #10
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Emission legal is not really my concern as live in the out skirts of Atlanta near Road Atlanta. I have a good buddy that own a engine shop a deal with labor with just around $1200

“Honestly, in the long run, you are much better off getting a salvaged USDM EJ20T or EJ25T motor, Tranny, rear diff, ECU and instrument cluster and purchasing an already assembled 3rd party wiring harness ( ~ $900.00) that will work with your car, In my personal opinion.”

Are you saying that I could all of that ^ for $900? If I’m misunderstanding please explain and if I got you correct could you point me in the right direction.


Thanks guy for all the positive response!
no, he's saying getting the wire harnesses merged would cost $900. You have to provide the wiring harnesses.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:00 PM   #11
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10-4 I got yea
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:29 PM   #12
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Let's start off this way, this is the motor I was thinking about getting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-S...spagenameZWDVW

I have I blind eye for good and bad deals one of ya'll tell if this is a decent motor to get for my swap and what parts are missing. I really appreciate all the help guy!


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Old 05-08-2008, 05:05 PM   #13
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well the EJ20G is definitely the motor to get, but if i recall correctly, the wagon version pushes less power due to smaller turbo, and possibly different timing maps. not too sure, but i know that Subaru doesn't put the same go fast parts in the Wrx wagons as it does the coupes and sedans.
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Can some one confirm that? Down the road I would want to upgrade so... It's good deal for what they are offering, right?
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changing turbo and injectors and getting a bigger intercooler...that's basically the main steps to getting more power...a lot more power depending on what kind you get .
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full usdm wrx swap with under 60k on it i'd expect to pay 3k for with trans wiring turbo etc. 7-900 for the wiring..
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Can some one confirm that? Down the road I would want to upgrade so... It's good deal for what they are offering, right?
it's a pretty good price. a full EJ20G swap, with everything, can easily run up to about $2000 just by itself. most of the time they go for less, but not THAT much less. one of my friends got one for $1200 a few months ago, and he was ecstatic about it. but then he sold it for like $1500 not too long ago, so i guess he was happier with something else!
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Does anyone know if the EJ20H cross member with work with the EJ20G?

Thanks for all the responses!
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:20 PM   #19
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Does anyone know if the EJ20H cross member with work with the EJ20G?

Thanks for all the responses!
you probably will get an answer quicker (if not immediately through searching) if you post in the "Conversions" forum.

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you could just buy my car instead
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