my stock evo X dyno day

[meat_WRX]

Originally Posted by xS2k

Motor Trend curb weight as tested: 3585 for the evo

which evo? MR with auto heavy as crap tranny, did it have navi? 10" sub with upgraded sound, big wing?

I bought the base model GSR with the aero kit. weighs less. not sure how much but its whatever. evo ftw

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[jimmi]

from Edmunds

EVO X Curb Weight: 3517 lbs

STI Curb Weight: 3395 lbs

[Clark_Kent]

I've been following the progress of the EVO X closely once AMS, Vishnu and David Buschur made their purchases. It appears that once a full-on EMS is manufactured some serious power will be made on the stock turbo. MIVEC on both the intake and exhaust side sound interesting as well. Good numbers OP. The EVO X is looking very appealing.

[Devil27]

power wise that does sound pretty promising for the evo x

[Dyno Flash]

The Evo feels much heavier - we will try and corner weight it next week

The STi does not feel any heavier than the previous STI

[meat_WRX]

Originally Posted by Dyno Flash

The Evo feels much heavier - we will try and corner weight it next week

The STi does not feel any heavier than the previous STI

AGREED, I drove the sti and it did feel better handling wise and seemed to have less body roll. however the factory evo X exhaust weighs like 80lbs and the entire car is covered in shields and covers that im sure once i start playing with will be removed. I got alot of hope just wish it was a 6 speed. im sure with some hollow sways and coilovers the handling will be on point. and it will be easy to shead 200lbs off the car with aftermarket parts. possibly a little carbon fiber and a carbon driveshaft when avaliable.

[jimmi]

I have not been able to drive new STI but did drive a stock 07, to me the EVO X handles much better. the new STI is supposed to have more body roll than the 07 and understeer worse so I would guess the EVO should be better....I wish the Subaru dealers around here would have allowed a test drive so that I could see for sure.

[DC5edSTI]

Originally Posted by jimmi

from Edmunds

EVO X Curb Weight: 3517 lbs

STI Curb Weight: 3395 lbs

Yea this weight is even listed on the Mitsubishi's own website for the GSR.

[flycaster]

Originally Posted by meat_WRX

AR was 10.1 solid through the entire rpm range...23psi from the factory...

Did you see any significant variation in the AFR's, or was this mostly a flat line? 10:1 all the way across the powerband, with very little variation, would make me think the sniffer wasn't hooked up right. Also, are you sure this was just boost you were measuring, or could it perhaps have been MAP?

Just asking, since these numbers seem a little wonky to me.

[jimmi]

Originally Posted by DC5edSTI

Yea this weight is even listed on the Mitsubishi's own website for the GSR.

It is still only about 100lbs...alot of this seems to be the too large speaker in the trunk.

[Dyno Flash]

Originally Posted by jimmi

I have not been able to drive new STI but did drive a stock 07, to me the EVO X handles much better. the new STI is supposed to have more body roll than the 07 and understeer worse so I would guess the EVO should be better....I wish the Subaru dealers around here would have allowed a test drive so that I could see for sure.

The X is a totally different animal than either the Evo 8 / IX or the STI's - its more of a high speed stability solid chassis type of feel

Although the X has a great chassis - the extra weight make it less appealing to me personally

Its more in the direction of a M5 type of car

The Subaru on the other hand has the same FUN feel of a econo box awd sports machine like the old evo and stis and is a logical progression on the old chasis rather than a totally new platform like the Evo X

To me the X will appear to a totally different breed of customer than the old generations

90% of the old Evo and STI customers were younger internet savy males who sought a platform with extreme performance capability at a budget price

The X IMHO aims to the traditional luxury high performance sedan market more like a S4 or M5 type of daily driver machine which handles great

it is obvious to me that both cars are real failures as far as sales numbers go which could relate more to the general economic climate more than the attributes of the cars themselves

Al

[meat_WRX]

Originally Posted by flycaster

Did you see any significant variation in the AFR's, or was this mostly a flat line? 10:1 all the way across the powerband, with very little variation, would make me think the sniffer wasn't hooked up right. Also, are you sure this was just boost you were measuring, or could it perhaps have been MAP?

Just asking, since these numbers seem a little wonky to me.

it was a solid flat line.... kenan has a great reputation here and alot of subys can vouch for him. it starts off rich until about 2500 rpm then flatens out.

[moorebl]

all this he say she say. line them puppies up at the track and see what the outcome is stock for stock. so who has the 08 sti's out their.

[jimmi]

Originally Posted by Dyno Flash

The X is a totally different animal than either the Evo 8 / IX or the STI's - its more of a high speed stability solid chassis type of feel

Although the X has a great chassis - the extra weight make it less appealing to me personally

Its more in the direction of a M5 type of car

The Subaru on the other hand has the same FUN feel of a econo box awd sports machine like the old evo and stis and is a logical progression on the old chasis rather than a totally new platform like the Evo X

To me the X will appear to a totally different breed of customer than the old generations

90% of the old Evo and STI customers were younger internet savy males who sought a platform with extreme performance capability at a budget price

The X IMHO aims to the traditional luxury high performance sedan market more like a S4 or M5 type of daily driver machine which handles great

it is obvious to me that both cars are real failures as far as sales numbers go which could relate more to the general economic climate more than the attributes of the cars themselves

Al

Not sure I agree that the EVO is not a success...the lancer line as a whole at least is doing well:

"Export shipments to North America grew 40.7 percent to 66,334 units driven mainly by strong sales of the new Lancer and by gains in the Canadian market. Shipments to Europe also grew a strong 61.9 percent to 221,308 units on the back of fast sales of the new Lancer and new Outlander models."http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/enews/mitsubishi/Mitsubishi-Motors-Announces-Production-Sales-and-Export-Figures-for-December-2007-and-Calendar-Year-2007-300108.html

[Dyno Flash]

Originally Posted by jimmi

Not sure I agree that the EVO is not a success...the lancer line as a whole at least is doing well:

"Export shipments to North America grew 40.7 percent to 66,334 units driven mainly by strong sales of the new Lancer and by gains in the Canadian market. Shipments to Europe also grew a strong 61.9 percent to 221,308 units on the back of fast sales of the new Lancer and new Outlander models."http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/enews/mitsubishi/Mitsubishi-Motors-Announces-Production-Sales-and-Export-Figures-for-December-2007-and-Calendar-Year-2007-300108.html

It seems the lancer is a great car for the money

I am nore interested to see how the turbo budget lancer versions do - e.g. Ralli Art Version

In the meantime, at least in this area the X is not selling well at all

A dealer who brought one to our Subi vs Evo race last week stated that most of the few X's they sold were exported to Russia or china

[Dyno Flash]

for what its worth

in April car sales '08 vs '07 Mitsu is down 32% http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...CEfOHOpzSu0daQ and Suby is up 19% (not bad given the recesion)

[C-grunt]

By my house there is a subie and mitsu dealership right next to each other. The subie had sold 4 08 STi's and the Mitsu 1 Evo X. The guys at the mitsu dealership said that theres only a handfull of Evo X's in Phx.

I kinda like the X and they seem to put down some good power too.

[iluvdrt]

Originally Posted by fry_ed

what does a ix put down on that dyno?

My buddies ix GSR stock put down 263/257tq and with an exhaust and tune 320/310tq. He has a freak though.

[meat_WRX]

Originally Posted by iluvdrt

My buddies ix GSR stock put down 263/257tq and with an exhaust and tune 320/310tq. He has a freak though.

hub dyno?

[Chris_Lee]

Glad to see your happy with the new ride. Have you posted this on evolutionm.net ? If you did post the link. I'd like to read what they had to say.

[meat_WRX]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=344711

just for you chris

[jimmi]

Originally Posted by Dyno Flash

It seems the lancer is a great car for the money

I am nore interested to see how the turbo budget lancer versions do - e.g. Ralli Art Version

In the meantime, at least in this area the X is not selling well at all

A dealer who brought one to our Subi vs Evo race last week stated that most of the few X's they sold were exported to Russia or china

The dealer here got 8 in at the beginning of march and has 3 left. They are selling the cars like regular cars though instead of trying to charge a $2K markup for it being a "rare' find. There are 2 Subie dealers in town also, they have had 6 STis between them, one has sold 2 the other none. The one that sold 2 is, for the most part, a good dealership (although they would not let me test drive without a $500 deposit toward purchase) and do not try to jack the price either. the one that still has all 3 has added $2000 to the sticker just for it being an STI.


I wonder if some of the slow sales in some areas are because the dealerships are trying to get premium prices?

[flycaster]

Originally Posted by meat_WRX

it was a solid flat line.... kenan has a great reputation here and alot of subys can vouch for him. it starts off rich until about 2500 rpm then flatens out.

You do realize that 10:1 is incredibly rich, yes? You say it starts off even richer than that? FWIW, most sniffers don't read below 10:1. At idle, and low revs, low loads, you should see numbers in the 13-14:1 range, not 10:1, much less "richer." And at full pull you should be seeing numbers in the low 11's, high 10's even on the factory tune. I dunno what to say, but hopefully you now understand why these numbers seem a bit wonky to me.

[4ST-AIR]

Originally Posted by meat_WRX

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=344711

just for you chris

I just read the post on EVOM. Your over there bashing Subaru but come back to post in NASIOC .

JMO- I don't think you need to build a better car you need to work on the driving you openly admitted taking the off ramp way to fast for any conditions and met the wall, a good driver would have known better.

Good Luck with the EVO take care of it.

[Clark_Kent]

^I noticed that. What a fool. OP, you're better off staying over on EvoM since, "it s h i t s all over the new STi IMO." Regardless of your poor judgement the new STi is a viable competitor to the EVO X.