Subaru / Toyota coupe master thread *merged*

[Beaverboy]

Originally Posted by rsholland

Have you looked at the front overhang on the Fit? A Subie boxer engine would "fit" in there with space to spare.

There's a lot more to the Subaru drivetrain requirements than front overhang.. like length and more importantly width. Compare the hood length of a Fit to a Forester and imagine where the transmission would end up in the Fit. The EJ engines are some of the widest engines available these days (wider than most V8s) and wouldn't even fit between the struts on most compact cars.. which is also why Subaru's front suspensions are always so hampered in design... there's very little room between the strut tower and the outside of the fender to fit a good suspension and a large enough wheel and tire. There's a reason Subaru has used inline engines in all of their sub-compact cars.

[naimouasta]

^ according to the legacy rumor, there is a new front suspension. i know its just rumor but if true then maybe subaru found a way around their "wide" engine which can be utilized in future cars like this coupe.

[rypt]

Although there have been a few reports about the 086A Toyota/Subaru jointly developed compact sports car recently, there’s been only a few new pieces of information to come out. This time around we’ve got something that should keep us guessing right up until late 2011.
Japan automotive magazine Best Car has printed more information on the upcoming 086A Toyota Subaru FR sports car which is bound to get people speculating. Apparently two different body styles have been seen being tested, both on the new Subaru Legacy platform. Best Car doesn’t go into any detail about what the two coupes looked like, suffice to say that both the Toyota and Subaru models will have different body work which goes against what was previously reported. In recent reports we’ve understood that both models will only have different badges and trim designs to differentiate from each other, but now it seems both the Toyota and Subaru models should look noticeably different. How different? Judging by Best Car’s renderings (which they’ve reprinted from previous articles) it could be a case of one very sleek Toyota and a more hard-edged Subaru, but Best Car took care to add Toyota badges to both renderings so they’re not saying either way. Both companies are paying attention to future trends with the new designs so let’s hope that Subaru don’t take this opportunity and produce another less than exciting model like their recent efforts.

Also going against previous reports, the Legacy based platform to be used with the 086A will keep its native 2750mm wheelbase. Despite the (now) longer wheelbase the 086A will still retain compact overall dimensions. Total length, width and height is said to be unchanged at 4200mm, 1750mm and 1300mm respectively. These dimensions will make it a true four-seater coupe, however it’s been mentioned that the rear seats are for “emergencies” which might be a problem for larger occupants. All other information regarding the 200PS EJ20 2.0L boxer 4-cylinder engine with D-4S direct injection, the drivetrain and suspension is unchanged since our last report.
Best Car has once again mentioned that the price of the 086A will nudge 2,500,000 yen which pushes the boundaries of an affordable compact sports car somewhat, but BC also notes that the market in Japan may not be so receptive unless Toyota can keep the price of the 086A to a maximum 2,000,000 yen. The 086A Toyota Subaru compact sports car is still scheduled to go on sale in March 2012.

http://www.7tune.com/086a-spotted-te...t-body-styles/

[AVANTI R5]

Pretty much the same as the above post I think,but I throw it up anyway..

With all the names, nicknames and details that keep getting trundled out for the 2012 Toyota/Subaru ‘Toyobaru’ ‘Subota’ 086A Celica rear-wheel-drive entry-level sports car (see, that took up an entire line and then some), we’re going to soon start running out of space to put it all.
Moving on, the ‘Toyobaru’ circus continues. Best Car magazine – one of Japan’s premier auto rags – has reported that the 086A has been spotted testing in two distinctly different body styles. This, of course, sits at odds with earlier reports that the two manufacturers’ offerings would be more-or-less identical but for some basic external and internal aesthetic differences.

Of course, surprise of surprises, there are no photos suppporting Best Car’s claims.
The magazine however did feature the above recycled artwork, showing a sleek traditionally-styled fastback coupe (slightly modified from its last appearance – see below), alongside a more contempory-styled coupe with harder lines – perhaps to represent Subaru’s version of the joint-effort sports car.

The 086A is expected to maintain the wheelbase of the Legacy/Liberty platform upon which it will be built, giving it a wheelbase of 2750mm (using the 2010 Subaru Legacy platform). Best Car claims the total outside dimensions are 4200mm long, 1750mm wide and 1300mm tall.
Using the Legacy platform will ensure that the ‘Toyobaru’ is a proper 2+2 coupe, although Best Car claims the rear seats have been described as being for “emergency use only.” (“Quick, it’s an emergency, squeeze your battered body into my Toyobaru’s cramped back seat and let’s go!”)
Power is still expected to come courtesy of a direct-injection version of Subaru’s naturally-aspirated 2.0 litre EJ20 engine, developing around 148kW (198hp) and 200Nm of torque.

Price on the Japanese market is still expected to be around ¥2.5 million (around AU$35,000), which will place it in a similar price range as the Subaru Impreza 2.0GT (Impreza WRX in Australia).
Pricey, some would say (if this prediction is true), for a low-powered non-turbo sports car. Most comment around the pump has fans of the new car expecting to pay ¥2 million for the privilege of getting it in the garage. Which all depends, of course, on the car seeing light of day… someday.
The current rumour is that we’ll see both the ‘Toyobaru’ and the Lexus LFA at the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show in October, but for now, only time will tell.
[via 7Tune.com]

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/271...o-body-styles/

[Snow Drift]

RWD Scion tC in Formula Drift...maybe a look into the future?

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/13/t...-car-unveiled/

[only1agam]

Originally Posted by AVANTI R5

Pretty much the same as the above post I think,but I throw it up anyway..




http://www.themotorreport.com.au/271...o-body-styles/

this only gets more and more interesting after each new article

[JoeyW]

^best illustration yet

[IWantASuby]

Someone should compile all of the illustrations and 'chops that have been made for this car during the last year or two.

[rypt]

Originally Posted by IWantASuby

Someone should compile all of the illustrations and 'chops that have been made for this car during the last year or two.

Only if you pay me for the time wasted doing that ... given how it will probably look nothing like any of the illustrations

I do have a question though, given how heavy the Legacy chassis is, how are they going to make this car light ... and if they do make it light, why are the Legacy and Impreza not lighter?

[Shohin]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

RWD Scion tC in Formula Drift

Moar:

That there is a really great lookin' car IMO . . . given the right performance pkg. I'd buy this in a hearbeat.

Now someone wif da PS skills add a FMIC and remove the decals

[rypt]

It should have been possible for Toyota to release an FR tC given how it is based on the Avensis, now granted this would still use a transverse engine config via an AWD style gearbox with the front driveshafts removed, but still..

[flyinpig]

When FHI released their March consolidated balance sheet results, they mentioned that:

The joint development of the 'sporty car' with Toyota is progressing favorably. At the present time, they are making efforts to increase power and to improve environmental characteristics.

Originally a new plant was to be constructed to produce this car, but due to a decreased investment budget, an existing plant will be modified instead.

[justincredible]

If it looks like any of the above renderings it'll do very well I think.

[Jake1050]

Originally Posted by flyinpig

When FHI released their March consolidated balance sheet results, they mentioned that:

The joint development of the 'sporty car' with Toyota is progressing favorably. At the present time, they are making efforts to increase power and to improve environmental characteristics.

Originally a new plant was to be constructed to produce this car, but due to a decreased investment budget, an existing plant will be modified instead.

If you take this clip or at least the part about modifying an existing plant, with the further above rumor about it keeping the Legys wheelbase. Maybe they will build it at the Lafayette Indiana plant. With the Tribeca being the oldest current model for sale and it already selling so poorly. Subaru will have to either redesign the Tribeca to be larger (to move it further away from the almost same sized '10 outback.) which will be expensive to do for such a low volume seller, or drop it altogether. Making room for a new model. Having the weelbase the same as the legacy would allow the car to be toted around the plant on the same carriers and hangers as the legacy. Personally I can't wait for the DI. Would not be suprised if the '11 legacy has it.

[PSI_XTC]

God I hope it's built in LaFayette! That means I'd get to test it!

[SOA Blog]

Originally Posted by PSI_XTC

God I hope it's built in LaFayette! That means I'd get to test it!

That's not the plan... it will be built in Japan.

[HipToBeSquare]

IF it is built in Japan, it might actually be close to JDM specifications.

It might actually come with optional HIDS, if the trim levels go high enough.

It might actually come with normal bumpers, instead of huge ones, like the USDM, compared to JDM Legacys had. not to mention the hobbled options and trim lines list for BL Legacy in the US, compared to SOJ-built cars.

It might actually come in World Rally Blue Pearl, which no SIA product gets.

[Option]

Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare

IF it is built in Japan, it might actually be close to JDM specifications.

It might actually come with optional HIDS, if the trim levels go high enough.

It might actually come with normal bumpers, instead of huge ones, like the USDM, compared to JDM Legacys had. not to mention the hobbled options and trim lines list for BL Legacy in the US, compared to SOJ-built cars.

It might actually come in World Rally Blue Pearl, which no SIA product gets.

I don't mean to rain on your parade but the USDM/JDM differences you mention have very little to do with where a given vehicle is built. It as more to do with the differences in US/Japanese crash test standards and the product planning strategy of SOA vs SOJ.

[phoenix96]

Originally Posted by Option

I don't mean to rain on your parade but the USDM/JDM differences you mention have very little to do with where a given vehicle is built. It as more to do with the differences in US/Japanese crash test standards and the product planning strategy of SOA vs SOJ.

The bumpers were due to Canada's 5mph requirement (which will be going away soon in order to harmonize with the rest of the world).

The rest of the features are really mostly because SOA leans toward the economy car side while the parent company has tried to move upscale.

[unclemat]

Originally Posted by Option

I don't mean to rain on your parade but the USDM/JDM differences you mention have very little to do with where a given vehicle is built. It as more to do with the differences in US/Japanese crash test standards and the product planning strategy of SOA vs SOJ.

Actually there is a lot to it where it is built. For example bunch of interior upgrades (upgraded console, rear passenger A/C vents) during mid-cycle refresh to Legacy in 2006 where omitted in the USDM - probably due to the changes that would be required with USDM suppliers. While engines and drivetrain parts are mostly imported from Japan, sheet metal and good chunk of interior/exterior trim parts is made in the U.S/Mexico.

[Spore]

Originally Posted by unclemat

Actually there is a lot to it where it is built. For example bunch of interior upgrades (upgraded console, rear passenger A/C vents) during mid-cycle refresh to Legacy in 2006 where omitted in the USDM - probably due to the changes that would be required with USDM suppliers. While engines and drivetrain parts are mostly imported from Japan, sheet metal and good chunk of interior/exterior trim parts is made in the U.S/Mexico.

As for engines difference, it has more to do with the emission standards that differ between the countries. I'm hoping that the coupe won't come out like the size of a Genesis Coupe and power of a Civic....

[Safe Drives]

Originally Posted by Spore

I'm hoping that the coupe won't come out like the size of a Genesis Coupe and power of a Civic....

We are talking about a Legacy Coupe now right?

It's going to be big. It's going to have a RWD specific engine subframe, maybe. It's going to have all the good airbags, I hope. It's going to be heavy, like the Legacy.





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Unless they make it Mid-Engine RWD and for 2. Ya rioght...

[Safe Drives]

I do hope I'm wrong...

[Jake1050]

Originally Posted by SOA Blog

That's not the plan... it will be built in Japan.

According to some of the recent news clips, some of the plans have changed already.

[keepclam]

I'd wager that SOA Blog's post from 9:30 this morning is more up-to-date. *shrug* I could be wrong.