Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday December 21, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Electrical & Lighting

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-03-2008, 07:13 PM   #1
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default Hella 500 Driving Lights.. German vs. Taiwan

I am going to buy a pair of Hella 500 Driving Lights to mount on a custom bar I am going to have built to bolt onto the lower bumper beam of my 07 Impreza 2.5i Wagon. What are the biggest differences between the German and Taiwan version of the 500 series driving lights? I know they recently switched from production centers (for those who are reading this without a clue, thats where German and Taiwan comes from). I think the biggest difference is going to be quality but does where it's produced really matter?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2008, 07:27 PM   #2
JW1016
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 125007
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Greenville, South Carolina
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Sedan
WRB

Default

I just (last week) bought the Hella 500 driving lights and they were manufactured in Mexico. Still working my "custom" mounting bar out, so I can't really say about the quality, however not receiving a switch sucks!
JW1016 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2008, 09:38 PM   #3
subaru3169
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 55252
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: i know, i regret it too
Vehicle:
* pullup bar *

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JW1016 View Post
I just (last week) bought the Hella 500 driving lights and they were manufactured in Mexico. Still working my "custom" mounting bar out, so I can't really say about the quality, however not receiving a switch sucks!
wow that does suck.. the switch should be in a little sealed baggie along with the wiring
subaru3169 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2008, 10:10 PM   #4
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

ok i got information that all that is difference is the relays inside the switch. i hope quality isn't affected.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2008, 10:46 PM   #5
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetWRX View Post
ok i got information that all that is difference is the relays inside the switch. i hope quality isn't affected.
ew. its probably going to be crappy.

honestly i would invest in a good bosch relay.

we had a fire in the engine compartment of our family's van when a crappy foglight relay went out. (thank god for fire extinguishers)
jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2008, 11:08 PM   #6
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

can you recommend any bosch relays? i am not familiar with them. i know they make spark plugs and thats about all i know of them, haha. also, when dealing with electrical issues and wiring, i am like a wet match in a dark cave.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 12:03 AM   #7
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

ummm yeah... a bosch relay... haha

a bosch brand relay. theres nothing else to it!

theyre about 2.50 online, and you can get "bosch style" connectors for all the pins on the bottom those are about 75 cents, and come with 5 crimp on terminals. makes for a clean wiring harness.
jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 12:08 AM   #8
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

hey, also, you may want to think about wiring them to turn on with your highbeams.

i have a set of ff1000s, and they were way too bright for oncoming traffic. i made a wiring harness using 2 relays the lets the driving lights come on ONLY with the parking lights or the highbeams. so basically they wont turn on with the lows.

this is all controlled with the factory fog switch, no cutting, rewiring, anything. didnt even have to run wires through the firewall.

the oem fog switch is on, the driving lights come on with parking/highs.
oem fog switch off, the driving lights dont come on at all. its really nice.
jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 12:40 AM   #9
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

about the bosch relays, i didnt check them out i just went on instinct. I will look at their website, the image in my head of a relay is like a circuit box (i forgot the exact term) that my friend has that will pop open when he pushes too much power to his Orion 12" sub. i am probably way off, wait, scratch that, definitely way off on what a relay is.

i don't understand wiring but i will let my friend read what you said and i bet he'll be able to make perfect sense of it. he has done aux. lighting before.

so you wired the Hella driving lamps (ff1000 series in your case, what you purchased) to only turn on when you turned on the factory fog lights, and high beams? i am confused. i think i want to use the switch they give me and put it next to my factory fog light switch so i can manually control when they are turned on. the reason i am buying these is for mountain driving and highway driving at night, and hell i may even turn them on to piss off those high-strung city drivers (i hate those ppl with a fiery passion, you know, the ppl who have an agenda and have to pass you doing 70 in a 35 by barely missing your rear bumper when changing lanes and they never seem to get a ticket when you're around just for your personal satisfaction).

i wanted to wire them to a second factory fog light switch (instead of using the one they give you with the Hella kit) and place it next to the existing one which is wired to the factory fogs already on my car. would this be possible instead of messing with existing wires? I want to leave lighting wires alone as much as i can just for my warranty's sake.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:05 AM   #10
williaty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 71092
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Delaware County, Ohio
Vehicle:
2005 2.5RS Wagon
Regal Blue Pearl

Default

1) ANY driving light is WAY too bright to be left on when there's oncoming traffic. It's also dangerous and illegal to do so.
2) ANY driving light is required by law to switch on and off with the stock high beams.

So basically, you'll want a switch on the dash somewhere to "arm" the driving lights, but the final on-off needs to be done with the high-beam switch.

Sadly, SoJ re-wired the headlights every damned time they changed the nose, so instructions on how to do this have to be model-specific.
williaty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:09 AM   #11
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

so you're saying by law i have to wire my driving lights into the high-beam lights? so what should i do when i get the kit and the switch comes in it, is there a way to wire it so the on-off switch that comes in the Hella kit is only to make them in the "armed" or "unarmed" mode and then turning them on (making them light up to be specific) is done with the high-beam switch? i think that's what you're saying but i just dont know if you can take the switch that Hella gives you and turn it into an armed/unarmed switch.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:13 AM   #12
williaty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 71092
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Delaware County, Ohio
Vehicle:
2005 2.5RS Wagon
Regal Blue Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetWRX View Post
so you're saying by law i have to wire my driving lights into the high-beam lights?
Yes. The driving lights may (meaning you get to choose wither or not you arm them) only come on when the stock high beams are on and MUST go off when the stock high beams go off.

Quote:
so what should i do when i get the kit and the switch comes in it, is there a way to wire it so the on-off switch that comes in the Hella kit is only to make them in the "armed" or "unarmed" mode and then turning them on (making them light up to be specific) is done with the high-beam switch? i think that's what you're saying but i just dont know if you can take the switch that Hella gives you and turn it into an armed/unarmed switch.
Basically, you're going to use the Hella-supplied switch to arm/disarm the Hellas. That switch, combined with the connection to the high-beams, will be used to switch the Hella-supplied relay on/off. The relay powers the Hella lights.

What model year is this going into? If it's the 2k7, that's the only model year I don't have a wiring diagram for, sorry.
williaty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:18 AM   #13
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

haha well that's just my luck. it's of course the 07 Impreza 2.5i Wagon. Which i expected to get no help for, but a lot of things are similar on 06 and 07 Impreza's... you sure the wiring isn't identical?

can you please try to find me a diagram, i have no contacts within the subaru community about wiring.... other than posting threads like this one!
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:18 AM   #14
anickode
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 141633
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Shiny new silver!!!

Default

Back to the OP's question: I've had both German AND Taiwan ones, and the taiwan ones are **** in comparison. The plastic is thinner and more brittle, the fitment of the optic assembly into the backing is loose, and the retaining clips barely retain it. I went to adjust the top loop only to discover it wasn't even welded in on one side. I wouldn't buy another set of the Taiwan ones even if they were 30 bucks.
anickode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:19 AM   #15
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

yea i found rallylights.com have a few sets of German lights left, and I am gonna push to get the $$ together asap to buy them before they're gone.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 01:41 AM   #16
ProdriveDreams
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 146819
Join Date: Apr 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston / Ipswich, MA
Vehicle:
'02 WRB VF-39'd WRX
W/06 STi Drivetrain swap

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetWRX View Post
haha well that's just my luck. it's of course the 07 Impreza 2.5i Wagon. Which i expected to get no help for, but a lot of things are similar on 06 and 07 Impreza's... you sure the wiring isn't identical?

can you please try to find me a diagram, i have no contacts within the subaru community about wiring.... other than posting threads like this one!
PM me your email and exactly which wiring diagrams you want.
ProdriveDreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 02:50 PM   #17
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

to the OP, yeah i wired the driving lights like that because it it too annoying (and potentially dangerous) to keep your hand off the wheel and on the foglight switch.

i used to have them connected to my stock switch/wiring, but it became too hard to shut them off when oncoming traffic was approaching. especially in the dark windy back roads of PA. also, on the highway, i would accidentally disable my cruise control all the time. it was a pain.

i have a detailed diagram that i drew, and i will post it, but willaty told me before that it will only work with an 02-03. i dont know why that would be the case, but maybe he can chime in.. (please do willaty!!!!)

jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 02:58 PM   #18
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

i have to find a good shop to do lighting in the Raleigh, NC area. my friend said he won't do it just because he can't afford a new lighting system if something goes wrong and warranty won't cover it. i am gonna call a few places around here and just get an idea of how much/how long it will be to wire everything since i will have the bar built before i go to a shop.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 03:01 PM   #19
williaty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 71092
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Delaware County, Ohio
Vehicle:
2005 2.5RS Wagon
Regal Blue Pearl

Default

On the 02-03, the high-beam relay is actually used as a relay. When you flip the control stalk in the cabin, it switches the relay on and off.

In 04-05, the wiring was re-done and the high-beam relay became vestigial. The high-beam relay is always on (so wtf is the point of the relay, one then asks). The high-beams are switched by running the entire current of the high beams all the way into the cabin and through the control stalk. Which is a mind-numbingly stupid way of doing it.

In 06-07, the headlight wiring changed again, but I don't have a full understanding of exactly how because, well, I can't be bothered to care

So, jdub, to answer your question, your schematic only works on your year because you're relying on the stock high-beam relay to actually, you know, work or something
williaty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 03:23 PM   #20
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

actually, my diagram has nothing to do with the high beams on my car.

it is connected to the lowbeam circuit. it was a kinda roundabout way of wiring the relay. but it works.

when lowbeam power is ON, it turns the relay on. which takes power from the driving lights.

the only problem i can see with this wiring on an 06-07 or any other year is if the low beam stays on with the highbeam...

am i making sense or am i out of my mind.. haha, its been a while since i did this
jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 04:17 PM   #21
williaty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 71092
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Delaware County, Ohio
Vehicle:
2005 2.5RS Wagon
Regal Blue Pearl

Default

I had never bothered to actually analyze your diagram. So basically, you've wired yours to be low-beam-off==driving-lights-on, and are relying on the stock fog switch wiring to make sure that you don't end up with your driving lights on when your headlights are totally off.

Interesting way of doing it, certainly one I never would have thought of!
williaty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 05:07 PM   #22
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

ok good news, i talked to the guy at subaru a little while ago when i picked my impreza up and he said this...

as long as i maintain 12" from the center of the fog lamp (the hella 500 fogs in this case) to the ground, the legalities all check off OK. i can wire them to be independent of the rest of my lighting system, i.e. i control when they turn on completely independently from when my lows/highs/factory fogs are on. he said there's a big gray area in the legal sense when dealing with aftermarket fog lights so as long as i maintain 12" and dont aim them up and towards people (hehehe) i should be ok.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 08:53 PM   #23
jdubya301
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139076
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Scranton PA
Vehicle:
2002 stg2 wagon
03 suzuki sv650s

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by williaty View Post
I had never bothered to actually analyze your diagram. So basically, you've wired yours to be low-beam-off==driving-lights-on, and are relying on the stock fog switch wiring to make sure that you don't end up with your driving lights on when your headlights are totally off.

Interesting way of doing it, certainly one I never would have thought of!
yup. but actually, i did the foglight on with parking lights, lows and highs mod.

so with all my wiring, the driving lights will not be able to come on if the headlight switch is totally off.

headlight switch off- aux lights off
parking lights- aux lights on
low beam- aux lights off
high beam- aux lights on

it works very well. i was kinda blown away when i figured it out. didnt think it was possible for a while (i had a thread that you and cougar were battling in.. remember???)

nugget- sorry we kinda jacked you thread man. if you want, go ahead and wire the lights to the oem switch. thats what i did for a while. just trust the fact that it SUCKS fumbling around to turn em off.

if you need any help with my diagram let me know. i would still strongly suggest it!
jdubya301 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 09:04 PM   #24
nuggetWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177174
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boone & Cary, NC
Vehicle:
2007 Impreza 2.5i
Sport Wagon

Default

it's cool man, its not like you're jacking my car. i got the answers i needed.

i have actually decided to go with a pair of Hella 500 FOG LIGHTS instead of driving lights. for what i need, they're perfect. my factory fog's just aren't good enough for me so i want to add MORE POWER *tim allen grunt*. but yea i will be able to wire the hella fog lights independently where as i would have to mess with my lighting system wiring if i wanted driving lights and i just am not comfortable risking my warranty like that.
nuggetWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2008, 11:36 PM   #25
fastwrx25
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 126441
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: TPE
Vehicle:
03 bugeye

Default

the hella fogs are awesome cheap lights, much better than my stock ones
fastwrx25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTT Hella 500 Driving Lights for Hella 500 Fogs XanRules Private 'Wanted' Classifieds 1 02-23-2009 12:22 AM
Hella 500 Driving light sti2_5rs Interior & Exterior Modification 11 03-07-2002 03:51 AM
FS: Hella 500 Driving Lights kpratte New England Impreza Club Forum -- NESIC 4 12-05-2001 09:19 AM
Hella 500 Driving Lights richeich Legacy Forum 0 11-29-2000 08:06 PM
HELLA 500 driving lights mounting Q IMPBOY Technical Forum Archive 11 08-26-2000 01:19 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.