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Old 02-28-2002, 01:31 AM   #1
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Default Special Order DMS 50mm Street Valved Coilovers, with rally springs?

Earlier this month I posted a thread from Dave, DMS USA, which said that the only way to get "stock" height out of your subie w/ DMS coilovers is to put this setup on. Because the DMS 40 Golds are made to run at least 30mm below stock. Anyone running this setup? What are the spring rates, and how does it handle?

My Q: What will this custom order cost?

I cannot get a hold of Dave for an answer.
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Old 02-28-2002, 03:51 AM   #2
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I imagine that these will run between 2600-3000 that is what the gravels cost so they cannot be more then that I would think about 2800. I have emailed Dave at least three times with no reply, I hope that he is okay but he isn't answering his cell either good luck
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Old 02-28-2002, 08:41 AM   #3
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I spoke to Dave 2 weeks ago. I had to leave a message for him and he called me back next day.

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Old 02-28-2002, 09:47 AM   #4
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that would be my fault guys...
Dave has been mega busy getting my rally car prepped for it's maiden voyage... i'm sorry about that... it's crunch time...
we race this weekend, and aside from DMS goodies, Dave is a rally car prep and mechanic... for more than one team!

so.. um... sorry... and try to be patient...
he'll get back to u soon i am sure!

i had the DMS rally set up on my street car and ran it just a tad lower than stock with decent results.... the spring rates i chose originally were not the best ... *can you say ouch?!* but i've learned loads and now have the suspension on the rally car and properly dialed in...


Typically you can purchase them for around $2400 i believe...
but really, personally? for the street, i would (and am going to) just get the Golds - they will more than suffice!

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Old 02-28-2002, 03:08 PM   #5
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Another question, Jamie you ran the rally version DMS 50mm on the street, and you say it was "ouch." I am looking at the street valved ones, do you think that they are as comparable in ride quality to the golds? or are they better.

I do a lot of venturing off the beaten path, mainly rough gravel and dirt roads when I go fishing and camping, snowboarding, etc. I wanna be able to go through this stuff fast, but perform on the street, while being able to adjust the ride height to stock levels with the stock tires on (putting on superleggera's for the summer months). Do you think the golds can handle this? Or am I just crazy for looking at the 50's?

Suspension is an important part of the upgrade, and when I do it, why not do it right the first time?
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Old 02-28-2002, 06:32 PM   #6
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well_armed,
If it was the post that I'm thinking of where a good portion of an Email from Dave was included, then I believe he said you need DMS 50s with the rally stroke length. It would be the stroke length, not the springs that would allow you to run stock ride height. You should be able to run "street" spring rates along with the "street" valving with the rally stroke length, if I recall Dave's info correctly.

Digging deeper into the spongy matter I call my brain, I recall Dave once stating that the DMS 50mm struts "street" valving was a little "firmer" than the DMS Gold's "street" valving. You may want to take that into consideration as well. Also, damping curves can vary quite a bit. In general there are digressive, progressive, an linear curves, but there are also combinations of these as well. I remember Dave saying that the preferred curve type (shape) for "street" versus "rally" differs. Thus, a statement like "rally" valving is firmer than "street" doesn't tell the whole story.

In anycase, I believe you can but together just about any combination of stroke length, spring rate, and valving type you want for the DMS 50s. However, unless you have a good amount of knowledge and experience in this area, I would follow DMS's recommendations for your application. If you can't get a hold of Dave, try Emailing Jammie Drummond via the DMS web site. He or someone else should be able to provide you with guidance.
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Old 02-28-2002, 07:45 PM   #7
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Thanks for the advice Scottie, I went ahead and emailed dms direct at info@dmshocks.com with my question. I hope they do not take a month to repond!

Another question, do you think that this custom setup is worth the money, or will the golds be just fine for my application? I am not worried about the "street valved" 50mm being stiffer than the 40mm golds. I have driven a WRX with the golds on, 10 clicks from hard, and I felt that is was fine. But, that was only on pavement. I did not want to take his car off-roading, if you know what I mean. I am just looking for the ultimate suspension setup that I will never have to improve upon. I want to go all out and not sacrifice anything, but want to be practical with my money. I worked hard for it, and want to be smart about it. Thanks.
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Old 03-01-2002, 03:05 AM   #8
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Check this out, this is funny. I e-mailed DMS straight to the head office with this question (you dont have to read the whole thing, but know that it was long with a couple of questions to answer):

"Hello, I have a couple of questions about your
coilovers for a subaru MY02 WRX. I am looking at the
50mm and 40mm setups, but cant decide which
application will suit me.

I would like to lower the car during the summer months
(put 18" wheels on), but then have it at "stock
height" during other months with the stock 16" wheels.
I do a lot of venturing off the beaten path, mainly
rough gravel and dirt roads when I go fishing,
camping, snowboarding, etc. Performance wise, I wanna
be able to go through this stuff fast, but perform on
the street (some racing), while being able to adjust
the ride height to stock levels with the stock tires.


I have been told that the highest the golds should go
is 30mm below stock levels, to have the proper damping
and travel. And that if I purchase 50mm coilovers,
with "street" valving, and rally stroke length this
will provide me with the proper setup. Is this true?
How much will this cost?

My other question to you, is this suitable to my
application, or should I just get the 40mm golds and
buy some 17" winter wheels to achieve the stock
height?

What are the main advantages of 50mm vs. 40mm, and
will the 50mm with street valving, and rally stroke
length handle as well as the 40mm?

I am not super hyper about height clearence, but do
want the adjustibility without sacrificing damping,
performance and other variables. I am somewhat new to
this, so it will help if the response simple but
informative.
Thankyou so much for your time in advance, I look
forward to your helpful response."



This is what DMS Corporate had to say:"Yes the Rally ride heights with street valving is what you want.
regards
DMS Head Office"



The answer was short, but sweet....I guess??
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