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Old 06-10-2008, 12:55 AM   #1
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Before I say anything else, I do have to say that Daniel Stern does have a great deal of excellent information on his site. http://www.danielsternlighting.com. After reading many of his write ups on all different kinds of lighting I thought I would email him and get his opinions on what he thought would be a good route to take in my lighting.

Quoted directly from his site....

"I've opted to carry on providing personal, one-on-one consultation ("How can I help you?) rather than installing a shopping cart ("Gimme yer money and get outta my face!"). Old-fashioned? A little slower? Yep, especially if you're experienced and knowledgeable, and I realize that. But, I really feel my enviable reputation for customer satisfaction is worth it."

So, that being said, I emailed him a list of my current lighting setup. More or less, I just had a few questions about bulbs for my fog lights and a set of newly added hella 500 driving lights on a light bar. Many days later I finally get a response, read it, and my jaw dropped.

His response was extremely rude and his talk was very "wise ass." He very blatantly told me that he would not give me any help or advice unless I get rid of the HID kit I have in my headlights. I was amazed because my questions to him were not about my headlights. They were about bulbs for fog and driving lights.

Ive also heard from other members here that have had some negative feedback from Daniel, so Im glad Im not the only one.

More or less, I am just venting here rather than replying to Mr. Stern's email.

Thats all for now. Carry on
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:10 AM   #2
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well...he's probably offended that you didn't read his bit regarding HIDs and are now asking him for his opinion on other things.

you should've put in quotes in your email to him "yea i got the HIDs before i read through your awesome super informative site".
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:49 AM   #3
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well...he's probably offended that you didn't read his bit regarding HIDs and are now asking him for his opinion on other things.

you should've put in quotes in your email to him "yea i got the HIDs before i read through your awesome super informative site".
I did have the HIDs before I read his article, however, my questions to him were not about HIDs whatsoever. Oh well.
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maybe he knows enough about lights to be pissed at those that have done such stupid things as put hid lights in non hid housings and making the rest of us blind at night from looking at them

i know it pisses many people off
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:47 PM   #5
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because driving in front of a HID kit car on an unlit highway for a long duration is not fun at all. I am glad Daniel is willing to refuse help/sale from people that think HID on halogen housing is safe. Maybe next time you shouldn't tell him you have HID kit on your bugeye (or say you have a STI)
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if i were him,i would be happy someone actually asked legitimate questions, even if they once had an hid kit.

i had an HID kit 2 years ago. that was before i knew anything. my jaw would drop if i was in the same situation as wrx2. trying to get good advice from knowledgeable people and getting shat on is not cool.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:50 PM   #7
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because driving in front of a HID kit car on an unlit highway for a long duration is not fun at all. I am glad Daniel is willing to refuse help/sale from people that think HID on halogen housing is safe. Maybe next time you shouldn't tell him you have HID kit on your bugeye (or say you have a STI)
I cant really disagree with that. I guess I really had no reason to tell him about my HIDs in a non HID housing. I could have left it out, as it was irrelevant to my question. HOWEVER, him being as rude as he was, was completely uncalled for. I do realize that I do not have the knowledge that he does on the topic at hand but there was no reason for him to talk down to me. I feel like he could have, at the very least, gone on to explain to me why my situation was a bad one. That is all.

PS. sorry to those that I may have blinded accidentally.
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:13 PM   #8
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I have HID's in my Morrettes (projectors) and I have to disagree with him, I have far better lighting then I did with the halogen bulbs.
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Although projector doesn't amplify the faults of HID kit as much as reflectors do, there are still some light that are misdirected, thus the glare. 100% of all HID kit users claim to get more light, and they do. But the trouble is that they also generate quite an amount of light that were not guided properly by either projector or reflector.

0wrx2, don't take it personally. I'm sure Daniel is just sick of people asking for advice for HID kits. And when he reads that magical phrase, he gets annoyed. Isn't it the same reason why some people here bashes people for asking questions that had been answered over a hundred times (ex. Is brand XXX HID kit better than brand YYY HID kit)?
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0wrx2, don't take it personally. I'm sure Daniel is just sick of people asking for advice for HID kits. And when he reads that magical phrase, he gets annoyed. Isn't it the same reason why some people here bashes people for asking questions that had been answered over a hundred times (ex. Is brand XXX HID kit better than brand YYY HID kit)?
I agree completely with you. But at the same time, he put a lot of writing into talking up his ability to provide one on one service and help to the best of his ability. I just dont think he is living up to his words, at least in my eyes. My first post was more or less me just blowing off some steam.

It also made me think twice about the HID kit. Think im gonna pull it this weekend....

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Old 06-11-2008, 10:40 AM   #11
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....as others said, since you were not asking about HID solutions I think the likely reason for Daniel getting upset is the same reason some of us do. .....these "kits" are part of a bigger problem and a nuisance to fellow motorists. Since Daniel is passionate about the subject (he cares), he probably felt his message was falling on deaf ears when you came asking him for his opinion on aux lighting solutions.
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:42 AM   #12
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Although projector doesn't amplify the faults of HID kit as much as reflectors do, there are still some light that are misdirected, thus the glare. 100% of all HID kit users claim to get more light, and they do. But the trouble is that they also generate quite an amount of light that were not guided properly by either projector or reflector.

0wrx2, don't take it personally. I'm sure Daniel is just sick of people asking for advice for HID kits. And when he reads that magical phrase, he gets annoyed. Isn't it the same reason why some people here bashes people for asking questions that had been answered over a hundred times (ex. Is brand XXX HID kit better than brand YYY HID kit)?
Mine don't have much misdirected light at all. I have many friends that drive in front of me and say it looks fine, no glare.
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Mine don't have much misdirected light at all. I have many friends that drive in front of me and say it looks fine, no glare.

lets not bring up this debate....
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maybe he knows enough about lights to be pissed at those that have done such stupid things as put hid lights in non hid housings and making the rest of us blind at night from looking at them

i know it pisses many people off
This is likely exactly what the problem is.

In case you didn't notice, D.Stern 1. knows a thing or two about lightings and 2. really dislikes the trend of retrofitting HIDs to cars that weren't supposed to run them. The reasons are many but the biggest one that really sets me off personally is the complete disregard for the safety of other drivers for the sake of an ignorant cosmetic mod.
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if i were him,i would be happy someone actually asked legitimate questions, even if they once had an hid kit.

i had an HID kit 2 years ago. that was before i knew anything. my jaw would drop if i was in the same situation as wrx2. trying to get good advice from knowledgeable people and getting shat on is not cool.
Well I'd really like to see the full email, frankly. People get away with saying stuff like this on the interwebs, usually without being challenged. But there are always two sides to a story.
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lets not bring up this debate....
Whats up for debate? Im telling you my lighting is drastically better, and I don't have glare, maybe im the exception to the rule but the fact remains that mine work great.

Now that I think about it, Morrette offers their headlights in HID form also, and I don't believe they do anything other then add HID's to the same projector housing..........which is what I did, so it's possible their projector housing was originally designed to incorporate an HID bulb, just a thought.
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Since he is stongly against using an HID kit in a halogen housing he probably didn't think you were serious about your lighting needs if you were running a setup like that. He probably looks at everything from a DOT technical standpoint as opposed to different people's perception as to what better lighting is.
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Since he is stongly against using an HID kit in a halogen housing he probably didn't think you were serious about your lighting needs if you were running a setup like that. He probably looks at everything from a DOT technical standpoint as opposed to different people's perception as to what better lighting is.
Not entirely true. If you read some of his stuff he tends to think that DOT gets it wrong a lot of the time. For example, he tends to think EDM stuff is better than USDOT in most circumstances. He also stocks a ton of EDM fog lamps, and of course some european +50 bulbs and the awesome Osram H7 65watt bulbs.

Basically he is into good lighting, and knows a lot about it. Read his website and you will understand.
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Whats up for debate? Im telling you my lighting is drastically better, and I don't have glare, maybe im the exception to the rule but the fact remains that mine work great.

Now that I think about it, Morrette offers their headlights in HID form also, and I don't believe they do anything other then add HID's to the same projector housing..........which is what I did, so it's possible their projector housing was originally designed to incorporate an HID bulb, just a thought.
got a pic of your output? i am sure they are way better then stock, but i bet they still have some glare to them.

on the morrettes they had a different projector on the HID ones, slightly different design. (that was with both the hella optics and the later ones)

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Whats up for debate? Im telling you my lighting is drastically better, and I don't have glare, maybe im the exception to the rule but the fact remains that mine work great.

Now that I think about it, Morrette offers their headlights in HID form also, and I don't believe they do anything other then add HID's to the same projector housing..........which is what I did, so it's possible their projector housing was originally designed to incorporate an HID bulb, just a thought.
If you have stock 02 impreza headlights, yes you do have a lot of glare with them. If you have JDM headlights (like your sig), then you have a decent output IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

So what if morrette's were offered in hid? Doesn't mean they used the same projectors... and once again, projectors don't cause as much glare (in some cases none, in some a lot), reflectors cause A LOT 99% of the time.
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Whats up for debate? Im telling you my lighting is drastically better, and I don't have glare, maybe im the exception to the rule but the fact remains that mine work great.

Now that I think about it, Morrette offers their headlights in HID form also, and I don't believe they do anything other then add HID's to the same projector housing..........which is what I did, so it's possible their projector housing was originally designed to incorporate an HID bulb, just a thought.
with that said, i highly doubt morrette would throw an hid capsule in a projector intended for halogen use..

i say lets not bring up this debate because..

Every thread that involves ONE word about an HID kit ends up with a bunch of toolbags (not saying that you are, the morretts do probably handle HIDs better than most) come on and give all kinds of BS about how they think their kit rocks and they have no glare.
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Ever read his articles? It's dripping in "holier than thou" language to begin with; I'm not really surprised his response was like that...oh well.
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If you have stock 02 impreza headlights, yes you do have a lot of glare with them. If you have JDM headlights (like your sig), then you have a decent output IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

So what if morrette's were offered in hid? Doesn't mean they used the same projectors... and once again, projectors don't cause as much glare (in some cases none, in some a lot), reflectors cause A LOT 99% of the time.
I have neither stock or JDM headlights. I'm running Morettes, and from what I have read and experienced, the Morettes tend to have very very very minimal glare and are nearly as good as a OEM setup.

The reason I brought up that Morette's were offered in HID was as a question to whether or not they used the same projector housing for the non HID, in which case putting HID's in the reg Morettes would be ok. Now it appears the projector is slightly different, though the difference is negligible.
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got a pic of your output? i am sure they are way better then stock, but i bet they still have some glare to them.

on the morrettes they had a different projector on the HID ones, slightly different design. (that was with both the hella optics and the later ones)

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Ever read his articles? It's dripping in "holier than thou" language to begin with; I'm not really surprised his response was like that...oh well.
So anyone who has an informed opinion and takes the time to educate people is "holier than thou"? You'll make it far in life.

As far as the whole projector argument, even some retrofits using OEM components can go wrong. Find the Lightwerks thread somewhere in this subforum with pics of various projectors. You will find on one page a comparison to a Honda S2K retrofit, with a fair amount of flare.

So yeah, even if you use high quality stuff a retrofit can still be unsafe.
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