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Old 06-29-2008, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default SnowPerformance. Injecting mixture at startup. Only an issue with the MAF kit?

I've searched through a ton of threads and am still unclear about this issue.

Is this only a problem with the kits based off of the MAF sensor or is it a problem with their controller all together?

I have the stage 2 boost cooler kit (Based on boost) and carelessly didn't research before I bought it used.
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Old 06-29-2008, 06:55 PM   #2
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That kit will inject at startup. Apparently the ECU will send a 5V signal to the controller causing it to inject. The manufacturer of that kit must not of tested it on a subaru. Our "MAF" kit injects based on MAF and boost so that situation would never happen.

You can integrate a timer circuit or a boost pressure switch to prevent this from happening. Kinda sad you have to hack together a fix to make something work the way it should have from the beginning.

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Old 06-30-2008, 04:47 PM   #3
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That kit will inject at startup. Apparently the ECU will send a 5V signal to the controller causing it to inject. The manufacturer of that kit must not of tested it on a subaru. Our "MAF" kit injects based on MAF and boost so that situation would never happen.

You can integrate a timer circuit or a boost pressure switch to prevent this from happening. Kinda sad you have to hack together a fix to make something work the way it should have from the beginning.

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Ah ****.

I wonder if Labonte Motorsports will make a trade for their newer contoller....They designed Snow's original controller no?
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Old 06-30-2008, 04:53 PM   #4
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I would return the kit and demand your money back. It obviously has a design flaw.

Just my opinion.

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Old 06-30-2008, 04:53 PM   #5
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Oh, I can make it even easier. I'll just run the controller to a toggle switch. I'll only turn the switch on after the car has started.
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Old 06-30-2008, 04:54 PM   #6
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I would return the kit and demand your money back. It obviously has a design flaw.

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I bought it from my friend brand new. I guess they still sell the kits? Maybe I will return it.....*sigh*
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:22 PM   #7
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:50 PM   #8
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^Thanks, that's what motivated me to post this thread.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:42 PM   #9
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Give snow a call directly and ask for Nate, he will take care of you, tell him Dan from UCC sent you...
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:27 PM   #10
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Yes give Nate a call and tell them you want to return the sNOw performance knock off unit.
Then buy one from the company that origanially designed and manufactures the VC series of injection controllers and you have no problems (and a few more dollars in your wallet)

here is anouther link for youhttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=MAF+Snow

Note we quit using the Motorola sensor with that black hose barb years ago. If you break the hose barb off the controller is junk.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:21 PM   #11
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Thanks for the help, appreciate it.
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:30 AM   #12
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Default DDS3-anti drip option

Aquamist can offer you a solution but quiet involved. May be more than your intended budget.

Bty adding a DDS3 flow monitoring system, you will be able to add an inline solenoid valve to your existing system, preventing the "start-up" injection until it is on boost.

You will also have a failsafe system that will protect your engine should the system failed to inject.

Here is a diagram how the DDS3 can be implimented to your snow system:

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Old 07-10-2008, 06:19 PM   #13
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For those of you that have this companies MAF controller and would like to have better control and a complete failsafe, here is our diagram showing how to integrate our smart controller and flow sensor. In addition to the ability to cut the boost in the case of a hardware failure, low/no flow, out of water, you can also optionally create a 2 D grid using RPM/MAF, MAP/MAF, MAP/RPM or simply pass your MAF signal through. This would also prevent the MAF from spraying at startup. Here is the diagram.


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Old 07-10-2008, 08:13 PM   #14
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I've searched through a ton of threads and am still unclear about this issue.

Is this only a problem with the kits based off of the MAF sensor or is it a problem with their controller all together?

I have the stage 2 boost cooler kit (Based on boost) and carelessly didn't research before I bought it used.
These guys are making this way to complicated. Just run a 75 cent toggle switch in line with the power wire to the controller. Kit off, kit on. Done.
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:25 PM   #15
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These guys are making this way to complicated. Just run a 75 cent toggle switch in line with the power wire to the controller. Kit off, kit on. Done.
That is a good idea, but user has to remember to turn on kit. If he doesn't it will probably cost him. I would make sure switch has light on it or associated with it so the user will be reminded if he doesn't automatically turn it on. There are a lot of mornings I am really out of it. If I had to remember to turn on the kit everytime, I could mess up once. I and the rest of us are all human.

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I think a some sort of auto delay would be the way to do it. But +1 for the switch mentioned above. Just gotta remember to switch it on. A LED is easy to wire in and put on the dash or gauge cluster to indicate on.

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Even better wire it into the parking brake circuitry. When the parking brake is on the switch/kit is off. When brake is taken off and car is ready to roll, the switch is on and the kit is on.


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Old 07-12-2008, 05:55 PM   #17
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I think a some sort of auto delay would be the way to do it. But +1 for the switch mentioned above. Just gotta remember to switch it on. A LED is easy to wire in and put on the dash or gauge cluster to indicate on.

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Even better wire it into the parking brake circuitry. When the parking brake is on the switch/kit is off. When brake is taken off and car is ready to roll, the switch is on and the kit is on.


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Thats correct, if you would rather have the piece of mind of not worrying about an auto delay relay can be had for under $10. For the ease of setting up the Snow kit its well worth it. I love my Snow kit and cant wait to put a set up on our new STi.
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Yes give Nate a call and tell them you want to return the sNOw performance knock off unit.
Then buy one from the company that origanially designed and manufactures the VC series of injection controllers and you have no problems (and a few more dollars in your wallet)

here is anouther link for youhttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=MAF+Snow

Note we quit using the Motorola sensor with that black hose barb years ago. If you break the hose barb off the controller is junk.
I follow your posts and your constant need to bash Snow really shows a lot about your character. Having owned companies most of my adult life and therefore naturally have gone through "relationships turned sour" I can very easily say that your tactics are absolutely despicable for anyone who considers them self a business man. Marketing based on your perception of the flaws of another is quite possible the weakest and most shameful form. You may have a solid engineering background but that does nothing for your ability to run a respectable company. Perhaps it would be better to stick to designing and leave the P.R. to someone who has a bit more tact.
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I follow your posts and your constant need to bash Snow really shows a lot about your character. Having owned companies most of my adult life and therefore naturally have gone through "relationships turned sour" I can very easily say that your tactics are absolutely despicable for anyone who considers them self a business man. Marketing based on your perception of the flaws of another is quite possible the weakest and most shameful form. You may have a solid engineering background but that does nothing for your ability to run a respectable company. Perhaps it would be better to stick to designing and leave the P.R. to someone who has a bit more tact.
Yep you are right, my apologies. Guess I am a little bitter that snow stopped payment on checks and did not pay for about $70K in product.
If snow was not making copies of our products then would not have much to say about them.
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Yep you are right, my apologies. Guess I am a little bitter that snow stopped payment on checks and did not pay for about $70K in product.
If snow was not making copies of our products then would not have much to say about them.
Theres always two sides to a story. Seeing as Snow doesnt advertise here, you seem to feel free to run a muck. Thats about as cowardly as it gets. If things were as bad as you say they are and your truly in the right, perhaps taking it to court would be the better alternative to spending time online trying to make them look like the big bad company.
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I follow your posts and your constant need to bash Snow really shows a lot about your character. Having owned companies most of my adult life and therefore naturally have gone through "relationships turned sour" I can very easily say that your tactics are absolutely despicable for anyone who considers them self a business man. Marketing based on your perception of the flaws of another is quite possible the weakest and most shameful form. You may have a solid engineering background but that does nothing for your ability to run a respectable company. Perhaps it would be better to stick to designing and leave the P.R. to someone who has a bit more tact.
I agree 100%. For that reason I do not own or recommend a Labonte product. If They were to change the way they do business that might change. But even in response to the post quoted Labonte throws more bashing about the other company. If you are bitter about something take it to the courts with all the parties involved not the consumers. The technical post I have seen Labonte make are great just the business tactics have turned me off.
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Im sorry I cant sit back and watch this anymore. Labonte is in the process of suing Snow performance. Labonte did not tell me this, however my attorney did a search last fall and found it. Here is a link if you want proof.



http://dockets.justia.com/search?que...&max-year=2008

Dan cannot talk in great detail about the lawsuit as its in litigation. You do not know half of whats going on.

My company has received no less than 3 threatening letters from Snow Performance and it ties in with what Labonte is suing Snow for. This is why we were searching to see if there was any pending litigation against Snow. At a later date I may publish the letters, but I can say at the least Snow has the worst business tactics I have ever seen.

I hope some of you reserve judgement of Dan until the court case is over. think of how you would feel if you were in his position.
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Im sorry I cant sit back and watch this anymore. Labonte is in the process of suing Snow performance. Labonte did not tell me this, however my attorney did a search last fall and found it. Here is a link if you want proof.



http://dockets.justia.com/search?que...&max-year=2008

Dan cannot talk in great detail about the lawsuit as its in litigation. You do not know half of whats going on.

My company has received no less than 3 threatening letters from Snow Performance and it ties in with what Labonte is suing Snow for. This is why we were searching to see if there was any pending litigation against Snow. At a later date I may publish the letters, but I can say at the least Snow has the worst business tactics I have ever seen.

I hope some of you reserve judgement of Dan until the court case is over. think of how you would feel if you were in his position.
That is why I said leave all bashing out and deal with your companies legal problems in court. Its not something that should be past down to the consumer even if snow did something wrong. Bad business deals happen everyday they should be dealt with between business' not in a public forum. I wanted to share with Labonte MotorSports about how I felt about what they are doing and how it could effect there future busisness if someone shares the same beliefe that I do. No company should want to pass on there internal problems onto the consumer.
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If they are currently in court, I would think that all the flaming might be bad for business. Talking bad about a company you are in court with may not be the best way to get a favorable outcome.
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I've searched through a ton of threads and am still unclear about this issue.

Is this only a problem with the kits based off of the MAF sensor or is it a problem with their controller all together?

I have the stage 2 boost cooler kit (Based on boost) and carelessly didn't research before I bought it used.
I have the Snow MAF kit and it does spray on startup for asecond. Then it's over...no biggie, wouldn't worry about it.
Be good,
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