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Old 07-02-2008, 09:52 AM   #1
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Default why is somebody going with the branded stuff?

Im sick of my rota boost... looking into something else for my set of rims...it then struck me that the replicas have perpetually all the designs you can find from rays,volks,5zigen,works and the likes. Just wondering why is somebody going to pay that hefty price to go with the branded ones? Seriously is technology gonna play a part here? Fill me in
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:36 AM   #2
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Well I don't think you can find any forged, 15 pound Rotas in 18x8.5...
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:03 AM   #3
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:40 PM   #4
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It has to do with the difference of manufacturing process.
In short
Forging (or the few variations of this process for making wheels) creates a much more homogeneous microstructure of the metal being used. This in turn produces a stronger product. When a wheel is forged, essentially less material can be used to make a product that is as strong or stronger than a typical cast wheel. Thus making a lighter wheel, thus reducing power transfer loss.
Forging takes longer (i think) as you are not just pouring molten metal into a cast and letting it cool. Its a more in depth process and requires more labor (I think). That is part of the reason why forged wheels are more expensive.
Someone chime in if i got any of this wrong. This is a simple explanation, read up on this for more details.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:47 PM   #5
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because it's their own money. People can spend on whatever the hell they want with it and I could really care less if some 14 yr old drools over a guys volks in a parking lot over my Prodives...
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:58 PM   #6
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Why would anyone spend $150 dollars on a pair on Nikes, when you can get some $20 sneakers from Wal-Mart?
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:02 PM   #7
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It has to do with the difference of manufacturing process.
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Forging (or the few variations of this process for making wheels) creates a much more homogeneous microstructure of the metal being used. This in turn produces a stronger product. When a wheel is forged, essentially less material can be used to make a product that is as strong or stronger than a typical cast wheel. Thus making a lighter wheel, thus reducing power transfer loss.
Forging takes longer (i think) as you are not just pouring molten metal into a cast and letting it cool. Its a more in depth process and requires more labor (I think). That is part of the reason why forged wheels are more expensive.
Someone chime in if i got any of this wrong. This is a simple explanation, read up on this for more details.
Generally speaking, for street usage you won't be able to tell unless you are constantly hitting large deep potholes or curbs.

The only reason why I see a reason to go with the high quality/strength is for a motorsports application. If you're out there putting massive loads on wheels with r-comp tires, you might end up seeing a failure. That said, I've been autocrossing with my rota attacks (rumored to be the weakest out there) for 2yrs wearing Hoosier A6s (about the stickiest r-comp made) and have yet to see any signs of failure or weakness. I've broken 3 wheel studs, but never any wheels.

So it's either for image, self gratitude, or motorsports IMO.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:09 PM   #8
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It has to do with the difference of manufacturing process.
In short
Forging (or the few variations of this process for making wheels) creates a much more homogeneous microstructure of the metal being used. This in turn produces a stronger product. When a wheel is forged, essentially less material can be used to make a product that is as strong or stronger than a typical cast wheel. Thus making a lighter wheel, thus reducing power transfer loss.
Forging takes longer (i think) as you are not just pouring molten metal into a cast and letting it cool. Its a more in depth process and requires more labor (I think). That is part of the reason why forged wheels are more expensive.
Someone chime in if i got any of this wrong. This is a simple explanation, read up on this for more details.
Close, few minor changes though...

Forging is typically quicker than casting. Chances are they use HIP forging (Hot Isostatic Press). The metal isn't molten before you forge it (if it was, it would be called die-cast lol) meaning it doesn't have to cool from molten-->solid, just plastic-->solid. Forging does create a much cleaner crystal structure throughout the part. One of the greatest benefits, especially to a wheel application would be the orientation of the grains near the EOP (edge of part). The grains on the EOP tend to have a 'bit' of strain hardening giving a higher strength, and most importantly are oriented perpendicular to the load path seen in the part.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:52 PM   #9
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i went with non-rotas cause i got an amazing price on my wheels

and for their size, they are incredibly light!
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:56 PM   #10
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I'm currently trying to decide the same thing.... rotas or brand name. Really, the whole motor sports thing is the only reason this isn't a no brainer. I know rotas have had a few failures, but let's face it, there are probably 5x more rotas out there then any (or dare I say all) other aftermarket wheels... statistically, I'm sure rotas are no more likely to fail than any other wheel.

That said, to me it's more one of things that will sit in the back on my mind just because I've seen pics of rotas in pieces.

btw, there are many differences in production procedures, even when considering different cast wheels.
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:11 PM   #11
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Rota

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Old 07-02-2008, 03:57 PM   #12
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^^ Brand name company which sells copies of original name-brand motor-sports biased wheels.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:39 PM   #13
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^^ Brand name company which sells copies of original name-brand motor-sports biased wheels.
and LOTS and LOTS of oem wheels
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:21 PM   #14
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Close, few minor changes though...

The metal isn't molten before you forge it (if it was, it would be called die-cast lol) meaning it doesn't have to cool from molten-->solid, just plastic-->solid. part.
Yeah thats what I was saying, just didn't use my words carefully. I was trying to type fast.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:33 PM   #15
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How about size diffrances.

Volk, Prodrive, SSR, Blitz, etc etc
all have many diffrent size and off set for everywheel.
these brand name ones also have 2 and 3 piece wheels,
weight diff, and more durable. (depending on process used)

rota only has set sizes for their wheels. or less size and offset wheels then other brand ones.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:47 PM   #16
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:41 PM   #17
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rota only has set sizes for their wheels. or less size and offset wheels then other brand ones.
Have you seen any of the recent wheels that we carry? We custom order tons of wheels from Rota in various widths, offsets, colors, etc.. The majority of the wheels we stock for the Subaru are mainly +48 but we still do plenty of special orders in lower offsets. Some of the wheels like the Rota P45R come in 18x9.5 +30, +25, +20, etc.. and we stock all of these offsets in various colors for just this one wheel.

What about wide 5x100 wheels, as of right now Rota is one of the few wheel manufactures that offers wheels in 18x9 5x100, 18x9.5 5x100, etc.. fitments.

A few of us from Wheeldude.com are going to the main Rota plant in September, I'll be sure to take lots of pictures of the manufacturing process, testing, etc..

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:12 PM   #18
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Why would anyone spend $150 dollars on a pair on Nikes, when you can get some $20 sneakers from Wal-Mart?
<---- Spends $100 + on kicks for my feet over fakes. Oh and look out for the fake Nikes and Jordans. They're out there!

That being said I probably will break down and get a set of Rotas in the near future. Mostly because I got laid off from my previous job in February and am not making what I used to. I can't afford to drop $2k+ for some wheels and then pay for tires as well. I'd rather just pay the $500-$600 for a set of Rotas and buy some good tires instead.

As for sneakers, I won't buy anything but authentic, but that's a whole other topic.

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:36 PM   #19
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my pair of 120 dollar nikes have lasted me over 3 years now, and i wear them EVERY day to work.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:32 PM   #20
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A few of us from Wheeldude.com are going to the main Rota plant in September, I'll be sure to take lots of pictures of the manufacturing process, testing, etc..
Isn't it in the Philippines?
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:55 PM   #21
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Isn't it in the Philippines?
+1..that's what i thought..
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Isn't it in the Philippines?
Yes

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Old 07-03-2008, 09:05 AM   #23
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sometimes it's just for the bling factor. i have had 2 sets of works and a set of advans, both of which have rota counterparts. i've heard good things about rota wheels but for me i just like knowing i have a premium JDM wheel.
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:25 AM   #24
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i've heard good things about rota wheels but for me i just like knowing i have a premium JDM wheel.
that's cause you're a baller ray

how soon til you get some new wheels? any hints on brand? model?
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its all about having that name brand man.. people want to put the best parts on their best car, ya know? personally i would NEVER pay volk/rays money for some rims that are gonna get curbed up just as easily as some rotas. and even now.. rotas are getting to be more expensive then they were 5 years ago since they are getting more popular. forged or not.. they are still good durable wheels. and do I really care about the weight savings of the rim?? no! saving maybe MAYBE 20lbs off the total weight off the car by putting on some $2000 wheels doesn't effect the overall acceleration of the car when you have the same size diameter wheel/tire combo. i dont think people realize just how heavy tires are. but like i said.. its for looks and personal preference. thats all.
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